giving medicne...possible RI???

i've been giving my BP his antiboitics for worms and noticed his mouth has been really saliva-y after the meds, could this be a sign of RI...when the vet gav him the first dose of meds he didn't say anythign about it, but when you give him the meds he squirts a little out of his nose and leaks some on the side of mouth, then sits for about 5min in my hands opening his mouth and closing...i dont hear weezing or popping, unless it's too light to hear...how loud will it be if he's weezing or popping...

sorry abotu all the ?'s but i'm just over protectiev i guess....

thanks
Dan

You're not getting the meds into your snake's throat for swallowing, filling his mouth, and its getting into his glottis. That's why its coming out his nose. He's working his mouth that way to try to get the stuff out of his mouth. Basically, he's exhibiting the symptoms of RI, but the symptoms are created by the meds. You need to be very careful to get the meds into his throat, and out of his glottis! You want the meds to get to his stomach, not his lungs!

Steve

yeah i'm not getting it into the little hole he breathes out of..well not with the syringe...maybe it's coming back up...do you recomend sticking it down further and hold there for a couple seconds?

I am going through the same process and I gave up on giving the
medicine directly to the snake. I put it in the prey right before a feed.
I feed live. I know it sounds slightly horrific but it did work like a charm and
the mouse was dispatched quickly. My Vet suggested it as a last resort.

i was giving him his meds today and felt poping while he was breathing form time to time....was no weezing...i'm gonna call vet tomorrow, he should be able to just give me some antiboitics. thanks
for the help

What method are you using? Im confused?

I use a bottle of amikacin(sp) supplied by my local vet and 2 different size syringes depending on the size of the snake. You inject the amount of amikacin depending on the weight of the snake and always in the upper 1/3 of the body directly into the muscle. Doing it in the lower portions of the snake can cause kidney failure and result in death.

That how I cure an RI. How are you using syringes in the snakes mouth?

the syringes are for the worms....he devoloped ri ithink for the POS zoo med uth pad...

i bumped up temps 4-5 degs on each side untill i can get in otuch with my doctor

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by racer69

yeah i'm not getting it into the little hole he breathes out of..well not with the syringe...maybe it's coming back up...do you recomend sticking it down further and hold there for a couple seconds?

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by racer69

i was giving him his meds today and felt poping while he was breathing form time to time....was no weezing...i'm gonna call vet tomorrow, he should be able to just give me some antiboitics. thanks
for the help

---

If the meds are coming out of his nose, then they ARE getting into his glottis (the little hole). Not saying you are getting them in there, but his mouth is filling and then it goes into his glottis. Yes, stick it down further and be careful that when you see the meds start to come into his mouth, STOP! Let that go down, then continue. Are you hearing the popping before you start, or after? If after, the meds will cause the popping. If before, it is possibly RI.

If the meds get into the glottis, the SNAKE will think he has an RI, and posture himself to clear the "mucous" INTO his lungs. Not where you want those meds!

Steve

How about you get proper training on how to administer the meds from a vet and quit playing doctor at your animal's expense?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by racer69

antiboitics for worms

---

You would use a "de-wormer" to treat worms, not anti-biotics. If you're administering a medication to a snake orally and it's coming out the snakes nose, you're doing it wrong. Go back to the vet and have him/her show you again. ;)

-adam

When my vet administered Flagyl (de-wormer) orally to my snake, he used a syringe with an extention on it so it would be sure to go directly into its stomach.

Did a vet prescibe these "antibiotics for worms" for your snake? Or are you treating the snake yourself?

If a vet gave this to you for the snake, go back to that vet IMMEDIATELY and get him/her to show you the correct way to give meds. Currently, you are doing the snake no good giving meds that do not end up in its digestive tract.

yes it's prescribed...and i'm oing it the way he showed me...he opened mouth and showed me where not to place the syringe..the glottis (breath hole) and when he gave them alot more come out of his nostrils than it did when i gave it to him...and i asked him if it was suposed to coem out of his nostrils like that and he said it's ok...WTF if it's not i'm screwed cause this is the only vet that will see snakes in my area! the last 2 times i did it it didn't come out of any holes so it went down. just afterwards he has soem slimey stuffleaking out of the sides of his mouth, i wonder if it's drool or mucus...it's a little sticky but not terible sticky....and the popping that i've noticed i believe is only after he gets his meds.


and i'm NOT playing doctor..i think that was very rude to say...just doing what i was told to do by a DOCTOR the way i was showed!!!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by racer69

yes it's prescribed...and i'm oing it the way he showed me...he opened mouth and showed me where not to place the syringe..the glottis (breath hole) and when he gave them alot more come out of his nostrils than it did when i gave it to him...and i asked him if it was suposed to coem out of his nostrils like that and he said it's ok...WTF if it's not i'm screwed cause this is the only vet that will see snakes in my area! the last 2 times i did it it didn't come out of any holes so it went down. just afterwards he has soem slimey stuffleaking out of the sides of his mouth, i wonder if it's drool or mucus...it's a little sticky but not terible sticky....and the popping that i've noticed i believe is only after he gets his meds.


and i'm NOT playing doctor..i think that was very rude to say...just doing what i was told to do by a DOCTOR the way i was showed!!!

---

Do you know the name of the medicine? In my experience, RI medication is injected intramuscularly and medication for internal parasites is either given orally in the mouth (not into the glottis) or via a tube directly into the stomach. Is your vet experienced with reptiles at all?

yeah...he claims to be....seemed to know what he was talking about. the medicine i'm giing is for in the mouth..and he never told me to go inot the stomach with it..btu i did go into the throat a tad so it would go down and not spew back out through nostril

Don't be concerned if the medication is coming out of the snake's nostrils. Snakes' nasal cavities end up inside the top of the mouth in a channel called the choana. This allows the snake to breath though it's nostrils, although all the air must then pass through the mouth and down the glottis to the lungs. If the medication is given orally (not through a tube directly to the stomach), it has a chance of going into the choana in the roof of the mouth and out the nostrils. Fluids can also end up behind the spectacle, as snakes' nasolacrimal ducts (tear ducts) are connected to the vomeronasal ducts which are also located in the roof of the mouth (snake tears drain into the mouth). If medication does happen to go into one or both of these ducts, it is of little concern. The medication is not going into the lungs, and if by chance it does go into the vomeronasal ducts, it will just drain back out. If the medication is meant to be given orally, then there is nothing to worry about. Hope this helps.

-Evan

thank you..i appreciate it very much...

No problem.

Do you know what medication you are giving him? If it is for worms, it is likely fenbendazole suspension (trade name Panacur) and is given orally. This should only be given two or three times, with two weeks between doses. The second and third doses are for the worms that have hatched since the first dose. How often are you giving the meds? Even if it is not fenbendazole, most antihelminthics are only given once every week or two.

-Evan

it kinda sounded like the human medicine augmentin....and it's once a day for 7 days. and it's oraly

When I wormed my bp when I first got him the way my vet ( who is a herp vet and only a herp vet ) showed me was take your syringe and on the side of his mouth kinda push it to open his mouth then push it back into his throat and squeeze very slowly. It may take two of you to do it, one to hold the body of the snake and one to give the drugs.
It ain't fun for you or the bp :) By doing it like my vet showed me I never had any come out of his mouth or nose or any where.
3yrs later and no worms and doing fine!