mite eye?

I was reading this old thread http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=17561 but the question never really got answered.

so does anyone know what this is? is this 'mite eye' as I have heard it called? Or do you think its just a stuck piece of shed?

Man I am so angry right now!

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i1...ithers/eye.jpg

Thanks in advance for any help or insight. :)

I'm not sure what that is. It doesn't look like any retained eyecaps that I've ever seen. (Not that I've seen a LOT, but I've seen some 'cause my gopher used to get them when he was little.)


The only thing I know to suggest is to make an appt with your vet and have him checked out. Sorry I can't be more help.

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I'm not sure what that is. It doesn't look like any retained eyecaps that I've ever seen. (Not that I've seen a LOT, but I've seen some 'cause my gopher used to get them when he was little.)


The only thing I know to suggest is to make an appt with your vet and have him checked out. Sorry I can't be more help.

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I agree with Judy.Unless i am missing something that i am unable to see in the pic.If you are concerned with the colored area to the right of his eye,it looks like part of his eye socket area.

why are you angry?

from reading the thread it seems that it wasn't a big deal... especially since the topic was just dropped. if it had been a big deal, there would have been more written about it IMO.

LOL...sorry.

I am angry...because I dont know what this thing is in my python's eye!

Let me start over...I apologize.
This is my ball python. He had mites and have been trying to get rid of them. No I have not used PAM. I have used mineral oil and I have been bleaching his tub frequently...always using newspaper. I always provided a bowl to soak in if the mites returned...which they always did. :(

This last time I pulled him out to clean up the tank...I saw that thing on his eye. I tried to soak him. I tried to carefully remove it with mineral oil on a qtip. But I dont think it is a stuck shed. It looks KINDA like his eye socket got eaten up by mites (who love going for the eyes) and it got inflamed and swollen til it came out a little bit.

If nothing else...I would like for other people to learn from my mistakes. Hopefully we can figure out what this is...How to treat it...And how to prevent it from happening to other snakes! My gut instinct tells me it is from the mites...but since I have not found much in the archives on this topic...it remains a mystery to me.

Thanks so much for any help. Sorry for the confusion. I was using the search function before starting a new thread and that was the only other thread I could find with a similar eye problem...but noone knew what it was :(

The vet sounds like a good option right now, unfortunately. :(

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LOL...sorry.

I am angry...because I dont know what this thing is in my python's eye!

Let me start over...I apologize.
This is my ball python. He had mites and have been trying to get rid of them. No I have not used PAM. I have used mineral oil and I have been bleaching his tub frequently...always using newspaper. I always provided a bowl to soak in if the mites returned...which they always did. :(

This last time I pulled him out to clean up the tank...I saw that thing on his eye. I tried to soak him. I tried to carefully remove it with mineral oil on a qtip. But I dont think it is a stuck shed. It looks KINDA like his eye socket got eaten up by mites (who love going for the eyes) and it got inflamed and swollen til it came out a little bit.

If nothing else...I would like for other people to learn from my mistakes. Hopefully we can figure out what this is...How to treat it...And how to prevent it from happening to other snakes! My gut instinct tells me it is from the mites...but since I have not found much in the archives on this topic...it remains a mystery to me.

Thanks so much for any help. Sorry for the confusion. I was using the search function before starting a new thread and that was the only other thread I could find with a similar eye problem...but noone knew what it was :(

The vet sounds like a good option right now, unfortunately. :(

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If you are constantly having the mites coming back then why have you not allready ordered or bought some PAM? By you using the mineral oils and such you are only killing a small fraction of the mites.I looked at the pic once again and i am unable to see anything out of the normal.This might be because its a pic and you are seeing it in person.Please contact your vet ASAP.

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If you are constantly having the mites coming back then why have you not allready ordered or bought some PAM? By you using the mineral oils and such you are only killing a small fraction of the mites.I looked at the pic once again and i am unable to see anything out of the normal.This might be because its a pic and you are seeing it in person.Please contact your vet ASAP.

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Why? Because I was convinced it was my human error, not the product I used to eradicate the mites, that was causing the failure. I have never, EVER, seen PAM at any pet store. I am not saying pet stores should be the standard to strive for, at all. I am simply saying that such a great product, like PAM, should be readily available, not just internet orderable...imagine if I didnt have the internet. I want PAM, NOW, not in a couple days. know what I mean?

I realize that some mites obviously slipped by the mineral oil and bleach. Either that, or the room he is in, has become contaminated with mite eggs. I might have to treat the room. Mites can crawl up to 40 feet per hour. I would not be surprised if I eradicated all the mites in the tub and on my snake, but eggs hatched nearby and the mites found their way to the snake once again. Clearly this would indicate I need to use a preventative permethrin based product such as PAM. I am not stupid. I realize what I have done so far is not working. I realize a new approach must be made. But I am not here for help on eradicating mites. :)

If you look to the right side of the eye. There is crescent shaped whitish colored 'something' that borders the right side of the eyeball. In between the eyeball and the scales. It is clearly visible in the picture, but if people are having trouble seeing it...I can highlight it.

I fully plan on contacting my vet ASAP. It doesnt hurt to see if anyone here has ever seen something like this, right?

I hope to make this a lesson for myself and others to look back upon...but first we need to figure out what it is. Thanks for all the replies.

are you as grouchy as it sounds in this response (post #8) or am i mis-reading you?

i can understand your concern and it sounds like you know that the method you have been using is not working for mites. it also sounds like you know you need to order a container of Provent-A-Mite via the internet (as it would have arrived much sooner than all the time it's taken you to try to eradicate the mites on your own).

what i believe joe was attempting to assist you with is... if you suspect the eye issue is mite related and you know that the method you are using is not working... then why not get a method that works?

also... joe and judy suggested you contact a vet ASAP.

i'm not quite sure what else you are looking for? sorry if we are misunderstanding :(

edited for clarity :)

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Why? Because I was convinced it was my human error, not the product I used to eradicate the mites, that was causing the failure. I have never, EVER, seen PAM at any pet store. I am not saying pet stores should be the standard to strive for, at all. I am simply saying that such a great product, like PAM, should be readily available, not just internet orderable...imagine if I didnt have the internet. I want PAM, NOW, not in a couple days. know what I mean?

I realize that some mites obviously slipped by the mineral oil and bleach. Either that, or the room he is in, has become contaminated with mite eggs. I might have to treat the room. Mites can crawl up to 40 feet per hour. I would not be surprised if I eradicated all the mites in the tub and on my snake, but eggs hatched nearby and the mites found their way to the snake once again. Clearly this would indicate I need to use a preventative permethrin based product such as PAM. I am not stupid. I realize what I have done so far is not working. I realize a new approach must be made. But I am not here for help on eradicating mites. :)

If you look to the right side of the eye. There is crescent shaped whitish colored 'something' that borders the right side of the eyeball. In between the eyeball and the scales. It is clearly visible in the picture, but if people are having trouble seeing it...I can highlight it.

I fully plan on contacting my vet ASAP. It doesnt hurt to see if anyone here has ever seen something like this, right?

I hope to make this a lesson for myself and others to look back upon...but first we need to figure out what it is. Thanks for all the replies.

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I was not trying to sound like i was doubting that you have tried to kill the mites.Yea it does bite that PAM is not normaly sold in pet stores.So i was looking at the correct area in that pic.I guess the area you can see does not show up well enough in the pic for us to veiw.

joe,

it's the white cresent moon looking area on the right side of the eye. it's obvious in the pic.

slithers,

ignore joe... he's been drinking again. :rofl:

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Originally Posted by recycling goddess

joe,

it's the white cresent moon looking area on the right side of the eye. it's obvious in the pic.

slithers,

ignore joe... he's been drinking again. :rofl:

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You must be feeling better:zerb: .

no not really... but i'm always in the mood to tease YOU! :neener:

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no not really... but i'm always in the mood to tease YOU! :neener:

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There you go again:P .They are starting to talk now control yourself:fishslap: .

who exactly is it that's talking joe? is it the voices in your head again? i hope they aren't telling you to do anything wrong or obscene! https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...4/7/stupid.gif

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are you as grouchy as it sounds in this response (post #8) or am i mis-reading you?

(as it would have arrived much sooner than all the time it's taken you to try to eradicate the mites on your own).

then why not get a method that works?

also... joe suggested you contact a vet ASAP.

i'm not quite sure what else you are looking for? sorry if we are misunderstanding :(

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to be honest...I probably AM as grouchy as it sounds. But I truly mean no disrespect. But then again...you might be reading a little too much into the tone and not the message. :) Really, I am more aggravated than grouchy ;)

I realize I should have ordered some PAM earlier. I have never had mites...and as bad as I feel right now for waiting...I decided to try a more homeopathic approach. I have read some discouraging information regarding neurological damage as a result of permethrin based products.

Its really easy to look back and say..."I should have done this." or to point the finger and say "you should have done this." I was truly doing what I thought was both acceptable and best at the time.

I saw joes advice to contact a vet, I replied by saying "I fully plan on contacting my vet ASAP." I also saw JLC's advice to contact a vet...and replied by saying "The vet sounds like the best option right now."

LOL, what am I looking for? I am looking to see if other people have ever experienced anything like this. I hardly doubt I am the only person to ever come across something like this. I also seriously doubt that I will be the last person...which is why this thread is here, to help others in the future.

I really do appreciate, any and all input, including everything that has already been said. :) Thank you. If anyone else has ever seen something like this, or heard of anything like this, please continue to respond. Thanks again...and sorry if I have come across wrong...I often DO!

Rick

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who exactly is it that's talking joe? is it the voices in your head again? i hope they aren't telling you to do anything wrong or obscene! https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...4/7/stupid.gif

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No i took care of those little voices:stupidme: :psychotic :stab: .Now how could i ever do anything obscene:twisted: :devilish:

I've been googling any/all terms I can think of to try and get another photograph on different sites in regards to the issue at hand with the little one's eye. Sadly, no luck. I keep being told about eye caps, mites, how to get rid of 'em, etc, lots of words no pictures. I've gone thru a few of my books to see if I could find anything in there, but most of 'em don't have pictures. lol I am really interested on the answer you get from your vet, so please do keep us all updated.

Lets hope it's not too serious. Best of luck.

Reptilian

oh oh oh oh oh I know i am gonna get hit for this... *warning massive newb question* when you guys say PAM you don't mean the cooking spray, right?

nope, not the cooking spray which is why i always write it out as Provent-A-Mite cause when i first came here i thought they were using the cooking spray!

slithers,

i'm so sorry none of us are being of any assistance... i wish i had an answer for ya. perhaps adam or jamie or someone else with a lot of experience will have one?

here's hoping for you...

aleesha

(joe, you just think the voices have stopped! https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...4/7/stupid.gif )

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Originally Posted by recycling goddess

slithers,

i'm so sorry none of us are being of any assistance... i wish i had an answer for ya. perhaps adam or jamie or someone else with a lot of experience will have one?

here's hoping for you...

aleesha

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oh but you HAVE!! You have brought attention to this topic. You have bumped it up numerous times. You have done your best to help me and my snake with his eye problem. I am grateful, believe it or not. I appreciate your concern, all of you.

Thanks for the kind words Reptilian. I fully plan on updating this thread when I figure out what this is. Perhaps I am right that someone else has heard of this happening or seen it before and they will post here to shed some light on the topic.

Thanks everyone for your thoughts, prayers, responses, and criticiscm (constructive).

Rick

:D i'm so glad we were helpful!!!

I think i might have some Input here. but I could be talking out my but lol but this is what I was told.

http://www.hexibase.com/~jessica/eyering.JPG
is this what your talking about.
http://www.hexibase.com/~jessica/eyering2.JPG

I was told that this is really nothing to worry about and time can fix it. It some times happens when an eye cap is a bit stuck. while sheding and when removed by the snake the eye cap can pull the soft "skin" from the cornors (sp?) of the eyes. that white is just that soft skin being exposed.

That was what i was told by the vet in AZ. (god I miss that vet!) feel free to correct me any one if I'm wrong.

hope that helps

OMG if you are right...you will have made my day Jessie. (imagine if you hadnt stuck around) :)

It sounds like that is what it COULD be. Maybe it has NOTHING to do with mites! He did shed, but it was complete, so I ruled out eye caps, and blamed mites.

I wonder if it really could be a shed that pulled the soft skin out? I wonder if this 'phenomenon' is commonplace? Does this sound more like the culprit?

Thanks a MILLION jessie! I am still going to contact my vet, I think :) and obviously get some PAM (Provent-A-Mite).

So this will go away with time? No treatment/remedy? hmmm sounds too good to be true!

Im eternally grateful for your input!:hug: :D

My vet said that over time it could right it's self or it couldnt. it wasn't caulsing pain or eye site problems and now over a year later he is still doing fine. it comes and goes with every shed. and it is most visable right after a shed and then goes away or shrinks after a week or so.

but I would say call your vet have it looked at to rule out mites, you never know. Baby has never gotten mites *knocks on wood* and hopefuly never will.

good luck and let us know what your vet has to say.
Hugs,
Jess

Awesome. Thanks for taking the time to respond. Your input was GREATLY appreciated. Its something else to consider as a possibility. I have been worried sick that Spider is in pain and is suffering.

I will definitely keep yous guys posted. :D

Funny you have a 'Baby', my first boa (a nic) is named 'Baby'.

Baby is his nic name. the true name for my snakes are (as in order of real name then nic name)

Assission "Baby"
Dystroyer "Lazy"
Atlas "Free be"
Havoc "Angel"
Arsonal "Kupa"
Brama "Butters"
Titton "Bender"
DuleX "Koolaid"
SoloX "MoJo"
FunkyPup "Dude"

Each real name is named after a Subwoofer most of the Subwoofer names are from Assendent Audio, one of our car audio sponcers.

I need to get sponcered for ball pythons LOL. I have all boys and only one 6 month old female

cool. Baby is my nicaraguan or central american boa's real name. It was already her name when I got her, and I didnt change it. I guess I should name my next snake SoloBaric after my favorite subwoofer. ;)

Thanks again for your response. It has put my mind at ease...atleast for the moment. :) We'll wait and see if the vet agrees.

I don't have a vet opinion, but when that sort of thing happened w/Precious, it soon went away. I figured it was just a normal part of his eye and the shedding process.


I too would be interested in your vet's determination of what it is/was.

About the P.A.M......I talked to four of our pet stores/feed stores/ animal supplies stores (take your pick for name). All told me the reason PAM isn't sold in pet stores is b/c it's not a high volume item, (it's considered a specialty product) and the usu. vendors won't carry it in their product stock. Also, if you search, not all reptile suppliers / stores online will carry it either. You just need to look around and find the ones that do.

Good luck w/Spider!

RuLyn

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I don't have a vet opinion, but when that sort of thing happened w/Precious, it soon went away. I figured it was just a normal part of his eye and the shedding process.


I too would be interested in your vet's determination of what it is/was.

About the P.A.M......I talked to four of our pet stores/feed stores/ animal supplies stores (take your pick for name). All told me the reason PAM isn't sold in pet stores is b/c it's not a high volume item, (it's considered a specialty product) and the usu. vendors won't carry it in their product stock. Also, if you search, not all reptile suppliers / stores online will carry it either. You just need to look around and find the ones that do.

Good luck w/Spider!

RuLyn

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Thanks! I probably would have dismissed this as a shedding problem if he didnt have mites...seeing as he just shed. But add the mites to the picture, and I got worried. So far 0 people have replied saying they have had mites eat the eye until it puffs out like that, and 2 people have replied saying they have had a shed do this to the eye. We are starting to get somewhere.

You are right, I have found some online reptile suppliers that have it and some that dont.

Thanks very much for your support! :)

YW! Mites do like and will attack and burrow around the eye, but for Precious it wasn't mites. Pls see your vet. Spider's problem MAY be mites, but better to know for sure. ;)

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cool. Baby is my nicaraguan or central american boa's real name. It was already her name when I got her, and I didnt change it. I guess I should name my next snake SoloBaric after my favorite subwoofer. ;)

Thanks again for your response. It has put my mind at ease...atleast for the moment. :) We'll wait and see if the vet agrees.

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ha ha ha great!!! a fellow car audio fan.... have you been to teamtoxicbass.com and seen my hair trick videos yet?

btw that VX is nothing like that anymore... we have other stuff planed for it in 2007. so that system is REALLY old and the new system is already retired now.


sorry back to topic :P

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YW! Mites do like and will attack and burrow around the eye, but for Precious it wasn't mites. Pls see your vet. Spider's problem MAY be mites, but better to know for sure. ;)

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Ya, thats what made me worry. I know how mites love the eyes!

I agree, I will be in contact with my vet. :)

That's interesting to see. I have a rescue female who is around 3 years old and her right eye is like that. She sheds perfectly everytime and has been checked by a good vet. Everything is fine with her and the vet just thinks her eye was damaged once and the skin receded from the eye. I just keep an eye on it and make sure her eye doesn't get inflamed or the skin recedes more. I'll try to get pictures of it next week.

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... I'll try to get pictures of it next week.

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wow. Thanks Satanic.

I appreciate your response :)

Here's Breth and her wonky right eye, LoL. But she's cute and healthy(and has been mite free since I've had her, but I don't know her past history) and that's all that matters.

Blurry top picture, but you can see the white outline of the exposed skin:
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/3...0026nt2.th.jpg

Side picture, the exposure is at the dorsal(top) aspect of the eye:
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/9...0008du0.th.jpg

Hope that helps! :)

hmmm, i can't see anything in those pics... *puts on glasses* nope... still can't :(

Clicky on the pictures, Aleesha :) They are links to the very big originals, that can't be posted here(people would go blind...). Hehe

OMGoddess... i'm blind... i'm blind.... *runs from the room screaming*

:giggle:

thanks becky ;)

Thank you.

I can see it clearly in the 1st picture, and 'kinda' in the 2nd pic. :)

It looks very similar to my guy's eye. So far I have had approximately 6 people tell me that this is shed related and/or humidity related.

Thanks again. I greatly appreciate you taking the time to post those pics and your experiences with the matter. :)

Please just uas PAM. I used a bunch of junk products that did nothing; used PAM once last week and they are GONE.

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Please just uas PAM. I used a bunch of junk products that did nothing; used PAM once last week and they are GONE.

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thanks. Did you happen to read the thread at all? :) LOL Although I do appreciate the response, I wasnt really looking for advice on the eradication of mites :)
Just wanted to see if anyone else has ever seen the eye condition my python is experiencing.
Thanks. I will use some Provent-a-mite...to get rid of mites...but it wont tell me what happened to my python's eye. :D