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  • 10-19-2006, 10:41 PM
    ZEKESMOM
    Need an answer fast please!!
    I just went and took Zeke out of his/her tank to clean it. I was looking him over real good like I always do to make sure he has no free loading critters and I noticed something that has not been there before...In the pic where my finger is holding the tail on both sides of the tail there are 2 small pointy things just a little out of the skin! What the heck are they? Is it something to worry about or what. Please someone answer! The other pic is just for fun:D

    http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i1...l/IMG_0643.jpg

    http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i1...l/IMG_0662.jpg
  • 10-19-2006, 10:42 PM
    SatanicIntention
    Re: Need an answer fast please!!
    They are spurs, remnants of what were legs in the past and they are used by the male to stimulate the female during mating.
  • 10-19-2006, 10:45 PM
    joepythons
    Re: Need an answer fast please!!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SatanicIntention
    They are spurs, remnants of what were legs in the past and they are used by the male to stimulate the female during mating.

    Oh yea thems spurs :cool: .I think you have you a boy their :D .I know females have them just never seen them stick them out before:P ,so thats why i say its a boy.
  • 10-19-2006, 10:48 PM
    ZEKESMOM
    Re: Need an answer fast please!!
    LMAO Ok I will calm down now:D The last time I had posted pics everyone was saying they thought he was a she because of being so chunky and no tail! Learn something new concerning Zeke everyday! Thank you for your answers
  • 10-19-2006, 10:49 PM
    Nate
    Re: Need an answer fast please!!
    what are you talking about joe? all ball pythons have the spurs...spurs aren't a way to tell male from female...at least, that's what everyone here has always said as well as my vet today.
  • 10-19-2006, 10:49 PM
    wildlifewarrior
    Re: Need an answer fast please!!
    They are vestigial legs, they are used by males to stimulate the female during courtship. In some snakes in exrays you can make out what looks to be acctual leg bones looking like they are attaching to a place where there should be a pelvis but there isn't.


    ~mike
  • 10-19-2006, 10:52 PM
    joepythons
    Re: Need an answer fast please!!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by nathanledet
    what are you talking about joe? all ball pythons have the spurs...spurs aren't a way to tell male from female...at least, that's what everyone here has always said as well as my vet today.

    Nate,calm down ok? What i was saying i have never seen a female stick hers out like the males do.
  • 10-19-2006, 10:53 PM
    joepythons
    Re: Need an answer fast please!!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by joepythons
    Oh yea thems spurs :cool: .I think you have you a boy their :D .I know females have them just never seen them stick them out before:P ,so thats why i say its a boy.

    See Nate what i said
  • 10-19-2006, 10:55 PM
    wildlifewarrior
    Re: Need an answer fast please!!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by joepythons
    Nate,calm down ok? What i was saying i have never seen a female stick hers out like the males do.

    The way you wrote it kinda made it sound like they were retactable or something, as well as that snake is probably too small to be tickleing any females.

    ~mike
  • 10-19-2006, 10:56 PM
    ZEKESMOM
    Re: Need an answer fast please!!
    :(okay so now I dont know what I have. I do not have anyone that can pop or probe and really do not want to probe. It just gives me the willies. I know that Ken lives here in Tucson and I have been invited to see his snakes. Maybe I could convince him to come here and sex Zeke for me
  • 10-19-2006, 10:57 PM
    ZEKESMOM
    Re: Need an answer fast please!!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wildlifewarrior
    The way you wrote it kinda made it sound like they were retactable or something, as well as that snake is probably too small to be tickleing any females.

    ~mike

    LOL Zeke will not be tickleing any one:P
  • 10-19-2006, 11:01 PM
    wildlifewarrior
    Re: Need an answer fast please!!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ZEKESMOM
    LOL Zeke will not be tickleing any one:P


    LOL
  • 10-19-2006, 11:03 PM
    joepythons
    Re: Need an answer fast please!!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wildlifewarrior
    The way you wrote it kinda made it sound like they were retactable or something, as well as that snake is probably too small to be tickleing any females.

    ~mike

    I have had a few yearling males do it before.I never really looked at the size of the snake just where her hand was.
  • 10-19-2006, 11:17 PM
    jknudson
    Re: Need an answer fast please!!
    Young males can attempt to breed...however normally it won't take because their hemipenes are too underdeveloped, or they're too young to produce sperm plugs.

    -Jason
  • 10-19-2006, 11:20 PM
    joepythons
    Re: Need an answer fast please!!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JBallPython
    Young males can attempt to breed...however normally it won't take because their hemipenes are too underdeveloped, or they're too young to produce sperm plugs.

    -Jason

    No i did not mean they attempted breeding,just they would stick there spurs out while you held them.
  • 10-19-2006, 11:22 PM
    ZEKESMOM
    Re: Need an answer fast please!!
    So after all the discussion is it a boy or girl:confused:
  • 10-19-2006, 11:27 PM
    joepythons
    Re: Need an answer fast please!!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ZEKESMOM
    So after all the discussion is it a boy or girl:confused:

    I am sorry i caused some confusion here:oops: .You can not really be 100% on the sex unless its probed or poped.
  • 10-19-2006, 11:38 PM
    Nate
    Re: Need an answer fast please!!
    geez joe........... :neener:
  • 10-20-2006, 01:01 AM
    Entropy
    Re: Need an answer fast please!!
    I have to big adult girls who stick their spurs out like no bodies business lol And they are most definately girls.

    They're proud of them thar spurs.
  • 10-20-2006, 04:17 AM
    ddbjdealer
    Re: Need an answer fast please!!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ZEKESMOM
    I know that Ken lives here in Tucson and I have been invited to see his snakes. Maybe I could convince him to come here and sex Zeke for me

    You have a PM :)
  • 10-20-2006, 09:12 AM
    codpy
    Re: Need an answer fast please!!
    My guy has the same things! Also he is all body with a little tail just like yours!:snake: :snake:
  • 10-20-2006, 09:14 AM
    ZEKESMOM
    Re: Need an answer fast please!!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by codpy
    My guy has the same things! Also he is all body with a little tail just like yours!:snake: :snake:

    See...this is why I am calling Ken! It is driving me nuts not knowing:confused: Zeke is for pet purposes only so I know it doesn't really matter but I really HAVE to know before my brain explodes:rolleye2:
  • 10-20-2006, 10:45 AM
    frankykeno
    Re: Need an answer fast please!!
    Spur size, tail size...none of that is a reliable way to sex. Probing or popping by an experienced breeder, vet or keeper is the only way to truly know whether your have a male or female snake. I used to always probe but now that I've gotten better at popping I tend to use that more as I get a visual of what's going on down there (also for me anyways, popping seems less stressful and quicker for the snakes).
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