Het pied Markers

Can anyone help me i am looking at getting a pair of het pied balls and i was told that it is possible to tell if they are het with markers, does anyone know what these markers are?

Thanks

Try this:

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...t+pied+markers

and then try using the search function... works really well. :)

you see how the black lines the belly scales thats what people call the het pied marker. I don't know I have seen normals with it and this is my het pied and he has it. So I'd say buy from a well know breeder and get what you pay for.

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil.../8/0/Odin1.jpg

That pic is one I swiped from Daniel when I got him. Hope he doesn't mind me using it.

Just goes to show that so called markers don't mean squat. I've seen normals with a more exaggerated belly pattern than that in that picture above.

I have seen a few 100% hets that do just look "different" which is difficult to put into words. Maybe its all psychological?

The "pied marker" traits are not consistent. I have seen 100% het pieds without it and normals with it.

I would say to buy from a reputable breeder and you will know they are hets.;)

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Originally Posted by MPenn

The "pied marker" traits are not consistent. I have seen 100% het pieds without it and normals with it.

I would say to buy from a reputable breeder and you will know they are hets.;)

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Bravo! :rockon:

-adam

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Originally Posted by MPenn

I have seen 100% het pieds without it and normals with it.

I would say to buy from a reputable breeder and you will know they are hets.;)

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Yep - I have a normal from our first clutch who has a pretty belly like that:

http://www.madwag.com/herpics/belly.jpg

See that normal has a more pronounced black line than my het and its just a normal

Het Markers seem to be nothing but a myth.... it has yet to be proven to be consistant...

With that being said, I have a female who is just a normal, who has a pretty belly like Matt's (Smulkin) baby bp.

Het. pied markers mean absolutly nothing, that terminology was used mostly to sell possible het. hatchlings.


Buy hets. only from someone you can trust! :)

I have 2 het pied males, and 1 has the "marker" and the other does not. I would not put too much stock in it. As others have said, buy from a reputal breeder ...... or small breeder that you trust .....

Neil

I have two het hypo girls with the pied marker. :D

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Originally Posted by Entropy

I have two het hypo girls with the pied marker. :D

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So you are going to send me hypo pieds right?!?! :8:

Sure!! As soon as I hatch out my het cinnies and spiders. ;)

Oh i got so excited when i saw the belly marks and somebody said that they are pied markings. I thought i had gotten a deal and they thought mine was just a normal, but it really was a het. pied. haha.
Anyways, yeah, im not sure how to tell, but im sure if you go to a good breeder, they will give you what you ask for. When you do get one, i am curious to know if the belly marks are there, and if you see a diffrence between them and normals.

if there was such a thing as a "genetic pied marker" than they would be considered codominant:)

Het Pieds are like the rubber duck game. you have to look one the bottom see if you get a prize.. LOL

Smulkin,

Your lines are too close together for the pied het indicator. You only have the one big middle scale between them, ideally there should be all three belly scales between. Also, a little light as far as how thick and dark the lines are.

But I suspect there are some good look-alikes that aren't het pied that do fully match the indicator seen in many het pieds. It's not perfect, the question is if the appearance in pied lines is statistically significant and if so if it's related to being het pied. I think it is. To me it looks like the pied appearance starting from the belly, on homozygous pieds it just moves farther up the sides and over the back in places. I believe there is good precedence for "recessive" traits to have sporadic co-dominant tendencies - see cinnamon and puzzle burms for examples. The text book concept of a 100% recessive mutation may not always apply so neat in the real world.

true dat!

Randy...would this girl fit your description of the het pied "marker"? Just curious. She was sold to me as 100% normal, but it was mentioned that she may have the het pied "marker".



http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...egbelly1-1.jpg

As far as I'm concerned the only true "marker" for a het pied is the paperwork from the reputable breeder you most likely should have bought it from LOL.

Breed the snake and see.

Too many people want to be convinced that the 'het pied' marker is a definitive way to determine a het pied and it's not. Just a coincidence IMO

It's certainly not a definite way to identify all het pieds or exclude all non hets. I do think it could be useful when determining which possible hets to grow up and which to sell as normals.

Sho220, the part with three scales between the marks could be longer but it is variable and if I saw that in a known possible het pied I would keep her. The likelihood of her being an unkown het pied or given that it's a girl a possible het pied sold as a normal seems low but if you have a pied project already you might work her in just in case.

I saw a few 100% het pieds last night and only one had that mark on it. So no, I don't think there are any het pied markers.