Bone deformality?

Anybody ever heard of it? I saw a ball python at the herp shop by my job and it was a female...$150 big as heck...nice and thick eating like crazy but it's got a bump on its back that concerns me. I didn't buy it... I wanted to find out if anybody has heard of this though. They had a vet x-ray it and he said it was bone deformality. Is this something that can pass down to it's baby's? would it hinder breeding? it's right in the middle of it's body. Just wondering...any responses would be appreciated.

The reason the guy put $150 on it was because he couldn't guarantee if it was capable or breeding or not. He hasn't tried.

Is this the same female you've been talking about in this thread?


http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=36889

What did the owner/seller of the snake say the lump was? I have no idea, and wouldn't presume to guess...but I'd have it thoroughly checked out by a vet before spending a dime.

No it actually is a differen't female. Completely differen't from a known breeder in my area.

Said it was x-rayed by a vet and the vet said it was a bone deformaty

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Originally Posted by djslurp1200

Anybody ever heard of it? I saw a ball python at the herp shop by my job and it was a female...$150 big as heck...nice and thick eating like crazy but it's got a bump on its back that concerns me. I didn't buy it... I wanted to find out if anybody has heard of this though. They had a vet x-ray it and he said it was bone deformality. Is this something that can pass down to it's baby's? would it hinder breeding? it's right in the middle of it's body. Just wondering...any responses would be appreciated.

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I have not personaly dealt with any snakes with deformabilities before.I have been told though it could cause problems during breeding attempts or just attempting to poo.This of course depends on where the "kink" is and how large it is.I have seen some where its just a teenie tiny bend to where the neck is bent sideways.Myself i would not breed a snake with this problem,just out of sorrow for it being like it is.

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Originally Posted by djslurp1200

Anybody ever heard of it? I saw a ball python at the herp shop by my job and it was a female...$150 big as heck...nice and thick eating like crazy but it's got a bump on its back that concerns me. I didn't buy it... I wanted to find out if anybody has heard of this though. They had a vet x-ray it and he said it was bone deformality. Is this something that can pass down to it's baby's? would it hinder breeding? it's right in the middle of it's body. Just wondering...any responses would be appreciated.

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I acquired a female similar to that last year that eats like a pig, bred last year (was told she has laid the previous 3 years), and layed 8 BIG eggs, and all her babies are perfectly healthy. I was told she injured her spine as an escaped youngin' and the growth seems to be solid bone. If it was born this way I would be hesitant, but if was caused by an injury, it will likely have no effect on her breeding future.

Hope this helps,
-Evan

Well it does eat very well which you can notice just by looking at it. The kink itself is just on the top of it's back..

But he did say that it poo's fine and doesn't take any longer to go.

I'm really sure it is all bone... I will say 99.9% because it's rock hard just like bone. There's no skin mutation or scar's where it is at. The snake is about
4 1/2 -5ft long and thick as H**L !

you say it bred last year evan. meaning it bred for "you"?

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Originally Posted by djslurp1200

Well it does eat very well which you can notice just by looking at it. The kink itself is just on the top of it's back..

But he did say that it poo's fine and doesn't take any longer to go.

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Does he know how the "kink" got like it is?

I mean other than the bone bump it looks very very healthy and doesn't seem to be bothered by it. I felt around to see where it went or how big it actually was. The bump itself is no larger than a M&M... it didn't seem to be bothered when rubbing it or applying pressure to it.

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you say it bred last year evan. meaning it bred for "you"?

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Yep! Bred to my lemon pastel. 2.3 pastels, 2.1 normals. She's back up to 3300 grams now and ready to go again!

-Evan

No he got it as a rescue kind of situation. The owner's got rid of her because of her size. I guess they didn't enjoy feeding it the jumbo's i don't know...But it was size that made them get rid of it. It had been x-rayed by a vet and the vet said it was bone deformality.

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Originally Posted by djslurp1200

I mean other than the bone bump it looks very very healthy and doesn't seem to be bothered by it. I felt around to see where it went or how big it actually was. The bump itself is no larger than a M&M... it didn't seem to be bothered when rubbing it or applying pressure to it.

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If its that small then i see no reason it could not breed.Let us know if you do decide to get her.

That's cool evan...like I said though. It's not a really big bump or anything and it's only on it's back. I was very tempted to buy it right then and there but i was just skeptical...Wanted to look into it's bump and see what it would have as far as a effect on breeding.

I think I am... I mean the bump is the size of a regular M&M no larger tan a peanut M&M...( not even that big, maybe somewhere inbetween)


It's very docile and and doesn't show any signs of being in pain due to it. Like I said I pet/rubbed/applied pressure to it and it didn't even flinch or show any kind of signs of pain.

you guy's think I should go with it?


$150 for a darn near if not 5ft female ball...

THe breeder just wasn't sure if it would breed or not thats why the price is low. but if I'm hearing it possibly could why not?

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you guy's think I should go with it?


$150 for a darn near if not 5ft female ball...

THe breeder just wasn't sure if it would breed or not thats why the price is low. but if I'm hearing it possibly could why not?

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It's your money...your gamble.

Personally, I love the animals. If I were in your shoes, I'd consider buying her because I wanted to HAVE her just because she's a big, beautiful snake. And if she were able to make babies...then that'd just be icing on the cake.

If you're going to just get rid of her if she won't be able lay eggs....then I wouldn't do it.

She is beautiful and big that's why i want to get her. I won't dump her off because she won't lay eggs if she doesn't...If she does awesome ya know?
Obviously I would like to see her lay eggs but if she doesn't i'll still keep her because she's so big...I've seen a few ball pythons this things pretty big...

Well then, you just answered your own question.

Yeah i know lol...

I dunno...I guess I wanted a second opinion as well...

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Originally Posted by djslurp1200

THe breeder just wasn't sure if it would breed or not thats why the price is low.

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Well, there's that ... OR ... the "breeder" is pawning off a WC female that he has tried to breed for multiple seasons in a row and has gotten nothing ... OR ... the "breeder" bred her last year and she was impacted with a twisted ovi-duct and if she's ever bred again it could kill her.

Wouldn't be the first time a "breeder" misrepresented an animal in this business.

I am a breeder and I can tell you with 100% certainty that there is no way that I would sell the female you described for $150 ... especially if she was x-rayed by a vet and the vet confirmed that it was just a bone deformity.

Just my :2cent:

-adam

Has anybody else seen this in ball pythons and heard of them producing?

Just curiouse...

What would you sell it for adam...if it was just a bone deformality?

Hmmm...Just thought of something! This female is at a pet shop right? Maybe he's just looking for a quick sale, you said its a rescue. He probably got it for less then nothing, and doesn't want to house/feed it.


Now that I think of it. When I bought my first ball python(exactly a year ago). It was a 4-5 foot female and she was $150 and at a pet shop. Then again, the girl who was working that day thought she remembered the shop owner wanting to keep her, but sold her to me anyways.

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Originally Posted by djslurp1200

What would you sell it for adam...if it was just a bone deformality?

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I'm a breeder, I wouldn't sell it ... that's the whole point of being a breeder, you need breedable females. ;) :sweeet:

-adam

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Originally Posted by daaangconcepts

Hmmm...Just thought of something! This female is at a pet shop right? Maybe he's just looking for a quick sale, you said its a rescue. He probably got it for less then nothing, and doesn't want to house/feed it.


Now that I think of it. When I bought my first ball python(exactly a year ago). It was a 4-5 foot female and she was $150 and at a pet shop. Then again, the girl who was working that day thought she remembered the shop owner wanting to keep her, but sold her to me anyways.

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Oh yeah BTW, she's definatly a female she laid eggs a few months after I bought her. (suprise eggs)

I say rescue because I guess the lady who got rid of it didn't want it anymore because of it's size. They probably didn't pay too much for it I'm sure if anything. I would just like to see if it breed's (when it's ready after quarantine)

If it does cool, if not I'll still keep it as a big ball...

I think I'm going to get it...

It's a gamble as far as if it breeds or not, but either way a great pet to add to the collection. I'll keep you guys informed as far as if I get it or not and I will take pictures as well

Well, I got off the phone with a couple of breeders in my area and they both said that I wouldn't even be able to give it to them for free if i wanted to for the fact that bone deform. could be hereditary...I don't know...I'm going to look at another couple snakes today at another pet store. They aren't breeders or anything but they have a bunch of differen't ball pythons. I guess that have one that's 2000g's and one thats 2200g's they want $125 for either and are both females. As far as the price not everyone breed's and I don't know if this guy know's their value or if he just doesn't care and just wants to sell them quickly rather than mark them up to what they're worth...

It's worth checking them out and looking at them..

I would add that there are several things that lump could be:

genetic deformity
deformity in such a way that she is not breedable, or have some problem
parasite (there are some that will show up as lumps)
Tumor
bone deformity

It's your money, but even if you buy this animal I'd still recommend you get the "bump" checked out by a herp vet.