sort of a breeding loan...

I have agreed to breed our pastel male to my man's brother's female for him. For payment, I am getting one of the babies (a pastel, definately.) The agreement is, I will take in his female, after I breed my 2 females to the male, this year. His girl is big, well over 1800g.
Does this sound reasonable? I plan on typing out everything for him to sign. I am not losing out on anything but a sperm plug. :) Granted, I will be doing all of the work (incubating the clutch, etc) and the ball is still in my court; I may tell him I want two of the babies. So how does this sound?

i would go for first pick and half the clutch, no less.


you have the morph, you do the breeding, and you are doing the incubating!


vaughn

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Originally Posted by Ginevive

I have agreed to breed our pastel male to my man's brother's female for him. For payment, I am getting one of the babies (a pastel, definately.) The agreement is, I will take in his female, after I breed my 2 females to the male, this year. His girl is big, well over 1800g.
Does this sound reasonable? I plan on typing out everything for him to sign. I am not losing out on anything but a sperm plug. :) Granted, I will be doing all of the work (incubating the clutch, etc) and the ball is still in my court; I may tell him I want two of the babies. So how does this sound?

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Jen,the way my freind and i have a contract wrote up for the breeding of my female to his spider is as follows.He gets first pick of the spiders,i get second pick and so on until they are gone.In the possability of a odd spider number he gets it.One clause is i am gauranteed one male spider.Then the normals i get first pick and he gets second until all are gone.In the event of a odd normal i get it.Make sure that both of you agree to this contract and sign in front of someone as a witness.We also wrote in that in the case no offspring are produced the contract is over and i get my female back.

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Originally Posted by kavmon

i would go for first pick and half the clutch, no less.


you have the morph, you do the breeding, and you are doing the incubating!


vaughn

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I agree! Look at it this way, Last year I bred a pastel to a normal I got 6 eggs. 5 pastels 1 normal.. You would be losing out on alot more then just a (spermplug) LOL!

yup i agree (although i know nothing about this subject... what has been shared sounds fair to me!)

Yeah, I am talking it over with Mark tonight. I want more than just 1 or 2. We'll go halvesies, at least. Thing is, this is a mega female; I am thinking she'll be a good producer. :) Kind of like a way to get some extra babies out of this seasons' breedings. I just wanted some advice here.. the alternate-picking option that Joe suggested sounds perfect.

1800 grams is a decent size female but not huge . she should drop 5 or 6 eggs maybe 7 if your lucky . if it was my male pastel i would do as the others have said , and get it in writing too .

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Originally Posted by Ginevive

Yeah, I am talking it over with Mark tonight. I want more than just 1 or 2. We'll go halvesies, at least. Thing is, this is a mega female; I am thinking she'll be a good producer. :) Kind of like a way to get some extra babies out of this seasons' breedings. I just wanted some advice here.. the alternate-picking option that Joe suggested sounds perfect.

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Jen,i did forget one thing.My female does not leave his facility until he is 100% sure she is not gravid.This protects everyone including my female,say he sends her back to me and she starts to drop her eggs in transit.She could die and we would lose the eggs:( .I know you will not be shipping his snakes but its still a item to include in the contract,that he does not get her back until you are positive she is not gravid.

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Originally Posted by markface

1800 grams is a decent size female but not huge . she should drop 5 or 6 eggs maybe 7 if your lucky . if it was my male pastel i would do as the others have said , and get it in writing too .

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My female in that range of weight dropped 11 eggs on her first clutch.

I never actually weighed her; actually she may be heavier. I shouldn't have posted that weight without weighing, I admit; but it jusut seems like a good estimate. She is pretty massive; wider than a soda can and a little flattish.
One thing that is making me rethink this though, is, what if she has internal parasites? I am going to have to get some proof that he's eradicated any before this happens.

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Originally Posted by Ginevive

One thing that is making me rethink this though, is, what if she has internal parasites? I am going to have to get some proof that he's eradicated any before this happens.

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Curious as to why you think she would have internal parasites? Is she a recent import? If she is, good luck getting her to breed!

Jen you should really insist the snake has a vet visit before she comes into your home anyways which would include a fecal (make that part of your contract that you have a copy of the vet record that she is healthy and clear of both internal and external parasites). Then you need to consider quarantining her at least 30 days which is when you could be doing her cool down anyways. Exposing your collection to an incoming snake is always worrisome so a vet check and quarantine is something I personally would insist on having done. As far as the clutch I would think a 50/50 split with you picking first is appropriate....you are after all providing the higher dollar morph as well as supervising the breeding and incubation of the subsequent clutch as well as taking on all the risks of having someone else's snake in your home.

It really isn't like dog breeding where the stud's owners might take pick of the litter. In that case all that the male dog does is a few minutes of "work" and that's it. In this case you are doing a huge amount of work so one pick out of that clutch isn't fair to you at all IMHO.

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Originally Posted by joepythons

My female in that range of weight dropped 11 eggs on her first clutch.

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wow ! thats a lot of eggs for a snake that size . i have 2 girls over 2500 grams that will be bred this year and i was figurin on maybe 8 or 9 eggs from them .

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Originally Posted by markface

wow ! thats a lot of eggs for a snake that size . i have 2 girls over 2500 grams that will be bred this year and i was figurin on maybe 8 or 9 eggs from them .

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Yea it surprised me also :eek: .As big as the eggs are i could not see where she held that many lol.Now not every female of this size or larger are guarenteed to drop this many eggs.A freind had one this size drop 4 eggs.

As far as breeding loans go. I would never send out one of my BPs or take in a BP on a breeding loan. the chances of something going wrong are much to great. :)

The one who owns the most valuable snake should get first pick, and the clutch should be equally divided between the two invilved...unless there is an odd number of babies...in that case, you can just duke it out over the last hatchling.

My female was pretty small when she bred, as I did not breed her on purpose... long story, anyway, I would guess she was around 1300 grams and she produced 5 good eggs.

I have decided not to do this. I am just too worried about anything getting passed from his snake to ours, if it has something wrong such as an RI or ticks; who knows.

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Originally Posted by Ginevive

I have decided not to do this. I am just too worried about anything getting passed from his snake to ours, if it has something wrong such as an RI or ticks; who knows.

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Sometimes its best to follow your gutt feelings:)