bumble crossed with albino?!

what would a bumblebee and albino produce?

Spiders, pastels, bumblebees, and normals all het for albino.

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Originally Posted by adi

what would a bumblebee and albino produce?

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Would I be rude if I turned the question back around to you? You know how to get a bumblebee now, and I think you understand that albino is a recessive trait. Sooo,

What does a bumblebee bred to a normal produce? hint - look at the spider - pastel thread.

What does an albino bred to a normal produce? hint - het albinos. (normal looking animals that carry the albino gene).

Now, what does a bumblebee bred to an albino produce? hint - put the two together. Will all babies be het albino? What about pastel, spider, bumblebee, and normal? How will each of those be affected by the albino gene? Remember that albino is recessive. Sooo,

What about the normal? How will the albino gene affect it? hint - its a het albino.

The pastel? hint - het albino? The albino trait won't show because its a het?
So its a pastel het albino. Catching on?

I'm going to let you do the rest on your own.

Spider? How does the albino gene affect it?
Bumblebee? Same question?

You need to understand the 3 main types of inheritance in ball pythons - recessive, dominant, and co-dominant. All three are represented in your question. Albino = recessive. Spider = dominant. Pastel = co-dominant. Figure those out, then you've got it. What remains is symantics, and of course, what they look like when you start combining VISIBLE traits (like the spider/pastel). For another example, your het albino spider bred to an albino would produce...what? Yep, albino spiders (and het albinos). What would an albino spider look like? Well, in this case, it looks as would be expected (awesome by the way). Some other traits when combined might have unexpected results, and even the most seasoned breeders are surprised by the results from time to time.

Do a search on google for ball python morphs. You should be able to find lots of wicked combinations. If you still need help, ask away.

Have fun!
Steve

i think the intention here may have been more of a question of whether or not the albino would show or not if it did have both copies of the gene. That is the way i took the question. It may have been a case of not understanding recessive traits, but i was thinking more along the lines of what the last part of that response mentioned, if an albino spider is possible, because as you said some times things dont cross the way we would expect.

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Originally Posted by piranhaking

i think the intention here may have been more of a question of whether or not the albino would show or not if it did have both copies of the gene. That is the way i took the question. It may have been a case of not understanding recessive traits, but i was thinking more along the lines of what the last part of that response mentioned, if an albino spider is possible, because as you said some times things dont cross the way we would expect.

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......adi is just intent on starting a thread concerning every possible ball python morph combination....thats all...you can check the Morph & Genetics forum...he has amassed quite a collection so far ;)

adi, I would suggest reading some of the genetic websites that were provided to you previously. They will be a great tool in learning how to figure out these simple genetic combinations all by yourself :D

a snake that flies

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Originally Posted by mmchoppers

a snake that flies

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Sweet!

adi, check out nerd's site and book. the book is good and loads of morph info.


also vpi has a new book out that is good. do some searching and reading.


vaughn

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Originally Posted by adi

what would a bumblebee and albino produce?

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Is this the albino that your friend got for treefitty?

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Originally Posted by stangs13

Is this the albino that your friend got for treefitty?

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Kudos for the SP reference! :)

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Originally Posted by ddbjdealer

Kudos for the SP reference! :)

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Sorry, My brian is mush. But whats SP?

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Originally Posted by stangs13

Sorry, My brian is mush. But whats SP?

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South Park....duh! :D ...LOLFOF

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Originally Posted by daniel1983

South Park....duh! :D ...LOLFOF

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I dont watch South park very much.....lol!! Thats not were I got it from!:taz:

haha thats what I thought when I saw treefitty.

hey sorry i keep askin but ive been to quite a lot of sites and i dont get a clear definition of what recessive/dominant etc. mean?

Try this
http://www.ballpython.ca/genetics.html

and this one


http://www.newenglandreptile.com/genetics_intro.html


and this one

http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/matrix/squares.asp



vaughn

All these should answer your ?????

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Originally Posted by piranhaking

i think the intention here may have been more of a question of whether or not the albino would show or not if it did have both copies of the gene. That is the way i took the question. It may have been a case of not understanding recessive traits, but i was thinking more along the lines of what the last part of that response mentioned, if an albino spider is possible, because as you said some times things dont cross the way we would expect.

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Yup, like daniel1983 said, adi has been asking about a lot of crosses. He (?) is expressing interest in becoming a breeder. With my post, I was hoping to encourage him to learn a little about how genetics work, and then he would be able to figure out a lot of these crosses out for himself. He had already asked about spider/pastel, hence the reference to that thread in my reply. He had also asked about albino/normal, but I was too lazy to go find that thread. So, he had the basis for figuring out the answer to the question in this thread, its just a matter of "getting his head wrapped around" the whole genetics thing. And if he is going to be a breeder, thats kind of a necessity!

My intention was not to discourage him from asking questions, but rather to encourage him to try to find the answers on his own first.

Steve

hey guys (and gals) ya thats kind of what i was hoping i was up til 12 every night for the past week or so (no joke) and my brain is a bit confuzzled from all the info....although the markus jayne wesite is for sure helpful, the thing that is hard for me is that they give examples of one specific morph (i.e. pastel/super pastel). and then thing is its hard for me to replace those two with the onesi m interested in because im not sure if one is recessive and oen is dominant or vise versa etc. but thanks for all the info/sites/ encouragment to learn some more! :D :D :D

spill the info, we've gone this far!:D


what 2 morphs do you want to pair up?:)



vaughn

oh lol sorry i thought i posted it already i want a spider and pastel! :D

adi,
I wrote all this before you posted just a little bit ago. Decided to go ahead and post it anyways! ;) As far as which traits are dominant/recessive/co-dominant, it comes with time and study. Main thing to remember is - if the het form doesn't show, its recessive. So when you see het albinos, they look normal. If the het form looks different from the normal, and different from the monozygous (like pastels/super pastels), then its co-dominant (or incomplete-dominant, or....), if the het form and monozygous form look alike, but different from normal, its dominant (like spiders).

Here's the stuff I wrote earlier -

I started out writing a long description of dominant/co-dominant/recessive genetics. It got really unwieldy really quick. Are you in high school? If so, I highly recommend that you take all the biology/zoology/genetics classes that you can, and study and pay attention and learn genetics! Maybe get hold of a biology text book that is at the grade level that you are, and study the genetics chapter. At the very least, it will cover dominant and recessive traits, maybe not co-dominant. There's also incomplete-dominance and others as well. In the ball python world, the others exist also, but understanding dominant, co-dominant and recessive will get you a long ways. It won't matter if they are talking about eye color in humans, tail length in hamsters, or ear length in rabbits. Its still genetics. Be sure to learn how to use a punnet square to predict genetic probabilities.

I gotta go feed normals, spiders, pastels, albinos, het albinos, and het pieds now. ;)

Hope this helps,
Steve

right on steve! thanks! i am in high school and i will be learning about genetics in a month or two so i can get a head start! :D that acutally helped and made perfect sense! thanks again

Read that chapter NOW!!!!

By the way, I edited my post after you replied.

Have fun!
Steve

To get a better grasp about how traits are passed from one generation to another, you need to understand how sperm and egg cells are made, and what happens when they meet up first, so here's a good high school biology review of sexual reproduction (the process of meiosis, and fertilization)....

Most animals are diploid, meaning they have two copies of each chromosome (2n). Each individual chromosome can be carrying different genes, maybe even a mutant gene or two ;)) Meiosis is the production of gametes (sex cells), and ends with cells that have only one of the two copies of each and every chromosome (1n). When these gametes hook-up (fertilization) the egg takes on the chromosomes carried by the sperm and the resulting cell now has two sets of each chromosome (2n), one from each parent.

So why is that important in understanding how BP morphs are inherited? When all these animals reproduce, each parent only gives one of each chromosome, right?. In heterozygous animals (with one mutant gene and one wild-type gene), this may be the chromosome that holds the mutant gene, or it may be the normal chromosome, 50/50 chance. In homozygous animals (mutant or wild type) they can only give one type of chromosome, as both copies are the same.

With recessive traits, if there is a normal copy of the gene present, the trait will not be visable, as wild-type is dominant over these traits, but the resulting offspring will be a carrier for the trait, or a het. With dominant (or co-dominant) traits, the wild-type trait is recessive, and the mutant gene is expressed visibly in the offspring.

If you understand this info, and understand which traits are recessive, or dominant over wild-type (normal), you should be able to figure out the ratios for the resulting offspring of any pair of animals.

Hope this helps, and didn't give anyone flashbacks of bad high school memories. :rolleyes:

-Evan

AHHHHHHHHHHHH GENETICS CLASSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!: D



I acctually loved that class, it is just nice to know there won't be a test in two days on this post!!


~mike

wow thanks! this will so get me ready for future bio classes! lol you guys sure explain very clearly....thanks again everyone! you guys teach better than my bio teacher! :D

good explination. Here is a punit square

ill do this simple i'll use all a's capital A will represent normal and little a will represent a recessive trait (say albino)
mom's genes will be across the top, dads down the side
Mom will be homo for the trait, dad het
(ignore the dots, they're just to keep it lined up right)
...a ...a
A Aa Aa

a aa aa

The possible results are Aa, and aa
in the Aa ones the A (dominant trait, normal) covers the a (recessive trait, albino) . In the aa ones both genes are the recessive form, so the baby shows the trait. The Aa's cary the trait, and although they look normal can still pass the gene on (like the dad in this case)