225 Gram Male Spider Ball

2006 MALE SPIDER BALL PYTHON. NICE HI WHITE MALE WITH SOME GROWTH ON HIM. $995.00 NO TRADES :) https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...ersept28-2.JPG

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2006 Male spider ball. :) https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...ersept28-3.JPG

I wish it was $9.95 :D. If I bred that BP to a normal female, what will the offspring be?

50-50 spider - norm

Beautiful snake! I'd buy it but we have no extra money for more babies at the given time:mad: :(

Spiders scare me....i mean the 8 legged ones, that spider is awsome!!


~mike

That's a beaut very tempting!!!!

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Originally Posted by _BoidFinatic_

I wish it was $9.95

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Patience, grasshoppah... I'm sure you'll find someone soon that will post a pic of a spider for $995, and when it doesn't sell that same day, they'll freak out and advertise for $800, then $700...

My 07 Spiders won't be at all cheap!

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Originally Posted by ddbjdealer

Patience, grasshoppah... I'm sure you'll find someone soon that will post a pic of a spider for $995, and when it doesn't sell that same day, they'll freak out and advertise for $800, then $700...

My 07 Spiders won't be at all cheap!

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How much do cinnies and lesser platies go for? cheapest male possible? BTW, did you hatch that spider out?

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Originally Posted by ddbjdealer

Patience, grasshoppah... I'm sure you'll find someone soon that will post a pic of a spider for $995, and when it doesn't sell that same day, they'll freak out and advertise for $800, then $700...

My 07 Spiders won't be at all cheap!

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me likes that....:carrot:

Ken, you say your 2007 spiders will not be cheap, you need to be competive or your collection will be very large. price gougeing is not good for ball python sales. its funny you giving me advice on how to price my snakes, coming from someone who produces nothing. if my prices are so low, put your money where your big mouth is. Buy them. :salute:

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Originally Posted by ECLARK

you need to be competive or your collection will be very large.

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I think that's the main problem.... That seems to be the thought that a lot of the smaller breeders seem to have.. (I'm not in any way calling you a small breeder, btw). Everyone thinks that if someone advertises a Lesser for $2000 that they HAVE to sell THEIRS for $2000. Have you ever driven down the street and seen a gas station on two corners of the street? Do they have the same prices? Are there cars at both gas stations?

Here's the simple fact.... I have seen prices all over the board this year for every morph.... and they're all selling. People are paying $2000 for a spider this year...... People are paying $10000 for Lessers this year.... yet others are selling them for $4000, or less. That is their perogative... as it is yours to price your animals for whatever you'd like.

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Originally Posted by ECLARK

its funny you giving me advice on how to price my snakes, coming from someone who produces nothing.

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That's KINDA my point! lol I'm frustrated! :taz:

When I DO begin producing animals, all of the price droppers will have lowered the price points on all of my production. So, that's entirely my point. And your customers that are buying your male pastels for $275 this year, by the time they're ready to breed him... (either this year for 07 or the following year for 08) will experience what YOU currently probably experience with all of the normal males that you produce.... They'll either be impossible to sell, or will be sold off for $50 a piece because according to YOU, they'll have to be competetive in order to sell them.

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Originally Posted by ECLARK

if my prices are so low, put your money where your big mouth is. Buy them. :salute:

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That's okay... I've got a breeder that I'm completely confident in, produces great quality animals, is one of the best customer service minded people I know, and supports me with every problem I have. I'm willing to pay a little extra to get a whole lot of piece of mind.

Another look at this spectacular spider. :salute: https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...dersept.29.JPG

I really don't see what the fuss is all about

Big name breeders(and I could list them if need be) have male spiders listed for $1000 each........and I have even seen some posers advertising them $800 because they got lodged up MKRs rearend, forgot what it means to intelligently be competive by dropping the price by $5-$10 (like Ed did ;)) and dropped the price by a few hundred.

Prices will be prices.....what can you do? As long as there are people out there that do not look at the big picture.....there will ALWAYS be a pricing issue. This is nothing new to the reptile industry.....it has happened before and will happen again....just conduct yourself properly and handle business wisely and you will make money no matter what the prices are....people have been doing it for years ;)

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Originally Posted by daniel1983

I really don't see what the fuss is all about

Big name breeders(and I could list them if need be) have male spiders listed for $1000 each........and I have even seen some posers advertising them $800 because they got lodged up MKRs rearend, forgot what it means to intelligently be competive by dropping the price by $5-$10 (like Ed did ;)) and dropped the price by a few hundred.

Prices will be prices.....what can you do? As long as there are people out there that do not look at the big picture.....there will ALWAYS be a pricing issue. This is nothing new to the reptile industry.....it has happened before and will happen again.

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Very well said. ALso that is nicke looking spider there. He is hott!


-Andre

nice spider Ed:spid0r:



i think we are beginning to see alot of morphs go from "investment only" to the "pet level". buyers are from both corners, some buying to breed and make some change, some buying just to have one, with no intentions on breeding. nothing wrong with either one:)

the pet market in general is a lower priced market, but the customer base is HUGE. the investment market while smaller will pay more on one snake. pros and cons on both sides. personally i wouldn't pay 5-10K for a snake just to hold and look at. now if my intentions are to breed that snake, make my money back, have a kick ass hobby that pays for itself, and maybe make some extra coin! i'm down with that.

nothing wrong with supply vs demand lowering prices on snakes. some price drops this year were a little drastic!
i don't think supply has increased that much this season.
when petsmart has mojo's and lessers for 99.99, then supply is up!:D

support breeders who support you and your goals.


vaughn

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support breeders who support you and your goals.

vaughn

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well said vaughn

The male spider ball has been sold. thanks Justin D.

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Originally Posted by ECLARK

The male spider ball has been sold. thanks Justin D.

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Thank you for not just Putting Justin ...lol......Im not Justin D. BTW...



I have gotten a bad PM from a person on a difffrent forum that a nother person named Justin had boughten somehting that they were about to buy and the breeder put thanks Justin.....

I don't know if anyone noticed but NERD has Spider's starting 1,000 dollar's. This whole priceing debate is what I least like about the ball python hobby. I paid 1,500 for my albino and I know I won't be selling my babie's for that amount and I'm fine with that reality. I can't tell you how many albino's I saw in daytona for 1,200 on saturday and I'll tell you this even the biggest baddest breeder's were selling their morph's for almost half the market price on sunday. Now tell me what the difference is between shipping a Bp or buying it at daytona on sunday when they are unloading them.

Emilio, I dont understand what you mean with this post? :)

What I mean is every breeder bought their Bp morph's for more and is selling them for less I'm prepared for that. One more thing some didn't like the price of your Spider it was only 5 buck's under what NERD was selling some of their's for.

ok gotcha now, your right some were saying my price was to low.1000.00 is what spider balls have been selling for about 2 months now. some are still trying to get 1500.00 for a spider, aint gonna happen. :)

Try getting a deal of $1400 for an '06 spider just 5 months ago and then complain about $995 for one now.:mad:

The whole pricing fiasco this year makes me sick.

what the deal with MKR can some one explain??

They decided to drop prices on their mojaves to rediculous levels.

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Originally Posted by Spaniard

They decided to drop prices on their mojaves to rediculous levels.

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and lesser platinums a week before the Daytona show.

There goal is to mass produce so many animals that they can make 1 million dollars in 20 days and put a few breeders out of business.

Really nice people.

I'm still confused on morph prices. and normal prices are getting just as bad. Last week I saw normal 06 females for $60, then 80$... all the way up to $150 (the price I paid for my 06) then all the way down to $10 ......$10

Pastels? some as low as $200 shiped, good looking ones I might add. And some very bad looking pastels for almost $1000. Frankly When I become a breeder (crosses fingers and knocks on wood) I dont want to get stuck in the "selling race" I wont drop prices to "blow out sale prices" but I wont sell for off the wall prices as well. I dont want a mill but I also dont want my animals or my family to starve.

just my .02

jess., your right about the prices this past year. its hard to come up with a reasonable price. pastels and spiders are being graded and male pastels for example can be anywhere between 200.00 - 600.00 dollars. thats a big difference. you see lesser plattys for anywhere from 2500.00 to 15000.00 for the same thing. :)

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Originally Posted by ECLARK

jess., your right about the prices this past year. its hard to come up with a reasonable price. pastels and spiders are being graded and male pastels for example can be anywhere between 200.00 - 600.00 dollars. thats a big difference. you see lesser plattys for anywhere from 2500.00 to 15000.00 for the same thing. :)

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That's like having to chose between an 06 Ford Explorer XLT for $25,000 Vs across the street the same 06 Ford Explorer XLT with a sunroof for $150,000. But, for the extra $125,000 they'll also throw in a free oil change/car wash for the 1st year...:rolleyes:

Or

Amaco selling regular unleaded gas at $2.57/gln Vs the Chevron across the street selling Regular Unleaded at $15.42/gln. But, for the extra $192.75 it will cost you to fill up the tank of gas at the Chevron, you'll qualify for the $1.99 Hot Dog & Coke deal...:rolleyes:

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That's like having to chose between an 06 Ford Explorer XLT for $25,000 Vs across the street the same 06 Ford Explorer XLT with a sunroof for $150,000. But, for the extra $125,000 they'll also throw in a free oil change/car wash for the 1st year...:rolleyes:

Or

Amaco selling regular unleaded gas at $2.57/gln Vs the Chevron across the street selling Regular Unleaded at $15.42/gln. But, for the extra $192.75 it will cost you to fill up the tank of gas at the Chevron, you'll qualify for the $1.99 Hot Dog & Coke deal...:rolleyes:

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Is that what it's like? .... LMAO.

-adam

Purchase high-quality animals, sell high-quality offspring, provide good customer service, and care about their investments in the industry, and you'll build yourself a good rep.

If a buyer is truely interested in long-term investing, they'll welcome higher than bottomed-out prices, both for good animals and services, and to help keep the market up.

I personally think that breeders (not pointing at ECLARK) who are in it to make fast money will get out of it as soon as that stops. Then, it'll be back to the true long-term investers again.