Black Backs

HERES A COUPLE SUB ADULT FEMALES THAT IM RAISING UP FOR FUTURE BREEDERS. :) https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...blackback1.JPG

HERES ANOTHER BLACK BACK. :) https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...blackback2.JPG

what is the significance of a black back, just that it doen't have any vertebral blotches?? or is it significant for something else?? LEARN ME PLEASE!! i am thirsty for knowledge!


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oooo i like the black backs! very pretty!

Do you know if those females are genetic black backs?

Don't know if their genetic black backs, but both are het. orange ghost. :)

I have a little black back het albino male that I just love. Pretty girls you have there.

So black backs are just a thing that an animal can have like bands or a reduced pattern??
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Rapture, heres my black back het. albino. wanted to make some white back albinos in the worst way, but lost interest in the project and sent him to n.y. :) https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...KBACKHET.2.JPG

I hear ya on the whitebacks Ed, Im working on them too.. I've got 1.1 black back het. Albino's, and a partial whiteback Albino male, all sired by Corey's whiteback male.. Im hoping to produce a bunch of black back het females this year :) of course with my luck, they'll all end up males LMAO

What exactly is a whiteback?

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Originally Posted by Mendel's Balls

What exactly is a whiteback?

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...an albino x blackback.....but since there is no black on albinos....you would get an albino with no pattern on its dorsal area....

Thanks for the response....they sounds sweet.....anyone have any pics of these badboys?

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Rapture, heres my black back het. albino. wanted to make some white back albinos in the worst way, but lost interest in the project and sent him to n.y. :) https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...KBACKHET.2.JPG

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Pretty boy. I have the same idea in mind as far as the white back albinos. My boy's Dame was a black back as well, so he should pass it down.
Here he is:

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k1...blackback3.jpg

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Originally Posted by daniel1983

...an albino x blackback.....but since there is no black on albinos....you would get an albino with no pattern on its dorsal area....

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so being black backed is genetic. Correct??

wildlifewarrior

Blackback isn't "proven" as of yet, but it is one of those dinker type projects that always seem to produce interesting things here and there.

I thought I read somewhere that they were a visible het for something. Not all black backs, but that the hets for a certain trait all had black backs, deeming them genetic.

Here's the link at RDR, the second paragraph.

http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/ma...ack_backed.asp

Thanks for getting back to me elevatethis. It doesn't seem to me like it is a genetic thing, or atleast proven yet, especially because you can find random individuals with less vertebral marking than others, but all seem to have one or two blotches that covers part of the back.


wildlifewarrior

Sweeet! Rapture your lil man is gorgeous! I'm hoping to use my lil BB man in the future for dinkin too.....
"Gambit"....
http://www.snakeneggs.com/snakepics/... curled up.jpg

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Sweeet! Rapture your lil man is gorgeous! I'm hoping to use my lil BB man in the future for dinkin too.....
"Gambit"....
http://www.snakeneggs.com/snakepics/...urled%20up.jpg

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Thanks, I think he is lovely... a spur of the moment kind of buy... it was love at first sight. I love his little mustache. :P

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I thought I read somewhere that they were a visible het for something. Not all black backs, but that the hets for a certain trait all had black backs, deeming them genetic.

Here's the link at RDR, the second paragraph.

http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/ma...ack_backed.asp

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i feel like that guy is different that most that i have seen, the one from this link def looks a little different, similar to the pretty boy pic, but i am obviously far from any type of expert!

The image on that page is of an imported snake... not one of the hets mentioned.

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Originally Posted by Rapture

The image on that page is of an imported snake... not one of the hets mentioned.

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i got ya thanks!

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Originally Posted by Rapture

I thought I read somewhere that they were a visible het for something. Not all black backs, but that the hets for a certain trait all had black backs, deeming them genetic.

Here's the link at RDR, the second paragraph.

http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/ma...ack_backed.asp

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Yeah, the whole het Red Axanthic thing, I'm not very familiar with that whole thing, but I do know that as some het red's are black back to some degree, not all blackback are het red's. Someone correct me if I'm wrong....

Yeah that's what I was saying.

Black backs are a proven recessive genetic trait.


Rapture, your quite the artist. hahaha :)

@1800 grams this girl will be a first year breeder. :) https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/files/3/3/3/1/rmbb.JPG

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Black backs are a proven recessive genetic trait.


Rapture, your quite the artist. hahaha :)

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You have no idea ;)

Behold, the bloodthirsty Rectangle Croc-

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...ig/crocsig.jpg

You know I can't resist the opportunity to show off a few of mine! Not true black backs - but enough for me to enjoy!


Reese:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...rls/Reese5.jpg

Pretzel:
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...etzel-Aug5.jpg

J-Lo
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9.../J-LoSept5.jpg

What makes one a "true" black back?

Here is my black back in very bad lighting, i will get better pics.http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l1...2/IMG_5439.jpg

Robin, is there really a true black back?


You have a goog looking bunch of bps there. :)

Samuel, great looking snake there.

Aren't the true black backs the ones from the line of het red axanthics that TSK sold Cory Woods? Thats at least what I'm assuming from ralph's blurb about them on his site...

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Het Red Axanthics are the proven line of "Black Backs" needed to produce the homozygous "Red Axanthic" ( The Super )

Text by Ralph Davis

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No, the black back type of normal bp was around long before the red axanthics.

That's true...I was referring to the "true line" that Ralph was talking about in a link earlier in this thread.

Those classic african hatched black backed ball pythons that you are talking about are among the non-genetic blackback's, right?

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Originally Posted by ECLARK

Robin, is there really a true black back?


You have a goog looking bunch of bps there. :)

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Poor choice of words. What I meant by "true" black backs are those that have no dorsal patterning at all on their backs (or at least less than mine do).

Thank you! I do love my bebes!!!! LOL