Multiple Sire Question

If you breed a female to more than one co-dom traited sire is it possible for some of the eggs to show traits of both sires or however many are in question? Not sure how the fertilization process goes in snakes as of just yet. Anyone want to educate me?

Im going to take a wild guess and say no. I would think that after the 1st sire and female pair unlatch the female knows her eggs are fertilized and won't latch up with another male until after the egg laying... and hatching process.

1 sperm, 1 egg.

Multiple sires can each fertilize different eggs so you could get a mixed clutch ... but, most often the last one in gets the job done.

-adam

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Originally Posted by Kilo

Im going to take a wild guess and say no. I would think that after the 1st sire and female pair unlatch the female knows her eggs are fertilized and won't latch up with another male until after the egg laying... and hatching process.

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Nope.

-adam

Similar to humans... one egg, one sperm. I suppose it's possible that you could get twins from differnent co-dom dads in the same egg, but you could never get the two sperm to "blend".

Edit: <sigh> Too slow compared to "Quick Hands Adam"...

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

Nope.

-adam

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Nope what... please give an explanation behind your one word responses?

EDIT: nevermind I didn't see your first response.

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Originally Posted by Kilo

Nope what... please give an explanation behind your one word responses?

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Nope, that's not how it works ... at all. Better? :D

-adam

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

Nope, that's not how it works ... at all. Better? :D

-adam

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LOL yes better! Sorry, but I know your very smart when it come to ball pythons and well instead of nope... I wanted you to share your knowledge! (without reading the first post) I'm so hungry for knowledge...

Alrighty thanks for clearing that up for me. Just one of those weird questions I thought of that I knew somebody here would have the answer for.

I don't believe its the last one that gets the job done. Sperm competion is very strong in many animals, including herps, that is actually what a sperm plug is. Its the first one that may get the job done. The plug not only may block future sperm from reaching the egg, but in many species there are killer sperm that seek and destroy foreign sperm.

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Originally Posted by Pintado

I don't believe its the last one that gets the job done. Sperm competion is very strong in many animals, including herps, that is actually what a sperm plug is. Its the first one that may get the job done. The plug not only may block future sperm from reaching the egg, but in many species there are killer sperm that seek and destroy foreign sperm.

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Where did you come about this info? This is a first for me "killer sperm":eek: ?

My degree is in wildlifebiology, emphasis in herpetology

Sperm competition is evident in many animals, especially birds, and the link between birds and reptiles is close. There is much on the subject, but as usual not as much evidence in reptiles, since they have not been studied as much. Some reptiles, including many type of snakes have shown a-sexual reproduction, where male is not even needed. (Parthenogenesis)

Wish my balls would save me the money of just having to buy the females!!

Google sperm competion in reptiles or snakes

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Originally Posted by Pintado

I don't believe its the last one that gets the job done.

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How much direct experience do you have breeding ball pythons? Over the last 10 years of using multiple males per female I can say with great confidence that the last male to breed the girl is most often the one that sires the clutch.

-adam

I am by no means and expert or even an experanced breeder. But I would think that the reason a snake would choose to retain is that 1. the condisions for egglaying weren't optimal for the female. 2. The female may not have had the energy, size or ability to produce eggs. 3. She was breed by a less than perfact male.

Just my :2cents:

Am I close in my guessing??

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Where did you come about this info? This is a first for me "killer sperm":eek: ?

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I've been told before..Oh nevermind... :D

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Originally Posted by jglass38

I've been told before..Oh nevermind... :D

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Jamie,i wondered how long it would take you to respond to that comment of mine :8: :8: :8:

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Jamie,i wondered how long it would take you to respond to that comment of mine :8: :8: :8:

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I like to do my part! :eek:

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

How much direct experience do you have breeding ball pythons? Over the last 10 years of using multiple males per female I can say with great confidence that the last male to breed the girl is most often the one that sires the clutch.

-adam

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I do not have, my first attempt at b/p breeding, what happens in the classroom, or in the journals, is not always what is represented in actual breeding situations. I would say that your 10 years of breeding experience should be considered.

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Originally Posted by Pintado

I would say that your 10 years of breeding experience should be considered.

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LMAO ... Thanks buddy! :sweeet:

-adam

Quick Question- Do the killer sperm use guns or knives? Do they set up camps? Man, if i were a sperm- taking one for the team wouldnt exactly be my mentality. I say this after having spent a few moments as half a sperm myself once. Yeah. I was hard core.
Been there, done that, next question.

Oh wait- has the MS13 formed its own sperm group yet? I hear they've spread out pretty far.

Seriously now- fighter sperm. Um, I don't see that at alllllllllllll. You'll have to find me examples of that- and if you do, i'm sure whatever it is that is the 'killa' wouldn't be a true sperm cell.

So ahhhhh. First come first serve doesn't work in the BP world. Haha. Your sperm plugs are USELESS !!!!111!

sorry, this is just like... top of my list of insane post topics. Meow Meow.
sorry if i offended anyone. cant stop the fingers.

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Originally Posted by shhhli

Quick Question- Do the killer sperm use guns or knives? Do they set up camps? Man, if i were a sperm- taking one for the team wouldnt exactly be my mentality. I say this after having spent a few moments as half a sperm myself once. Yeah. I was hard core.
Been there, done that, next question.

Oh wait- has the MS13 formed its own sperm group yet? I hear they've spread out pretty far.

Seriously now- fighter sperm. Um, I don't see that at alllllllllllll. You'll have to find me examples of that- and if you do, i'm sure whatever it is that is the 'killa' wouldn't be a true sperm cell.

So ahhhhh. First come first serve doesn't work in the BP world. Haha. Your sperm plugs are USELESS !!!!111!

sorry, this is just like... top of my list of insane post topics. Meow Meow.
sorry if i offended anyone. cant stop the fingers.

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http://www.amazon.com/Sperm-Wars-Sci.../dp/0788160044

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sperm_competition

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Originally Posted by shhhli

Quick Question- Do the killer sperm use guns or knives? Do they set up camps? Man, if i were a sperm- taking one for the team wouldnt exactly be my mentality. I say this after having spent a few moments as half a sperm myself once. Yeah. I was hard core.
Been there, done that, next question.

Oh wait- has the MS13 formed its own sperm group yet? I hear they've spread out pretty far.

Seriously now- fighter sperm. Um, I don't see that at alllllllllllll. You'll have to find me examples of that- and if you do, i'm sure whatever it is that is the 'killa' wouldn't be a true sperm cell.

So ahhhhh. First come first serve doesn't work in the BP world. Haha. Your sperm plugs are USELESS !!!!111!

sorry, this is just like... top of my list of insane post topics. Meow Meow.
sorry if i offended anyone. cant stop the fingers.

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Please take your meds now :8: :8: :8: /joking lol

Hmmm!! some people have quite an imagination

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

1 sperm, 1 egg.

Multiple sires can each fertilize different eggs so you could get a mixed clutch ... but, most often the last one in gets the job done.

-adam

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How right you are.....

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