P. baroni, rear-fanged beauties!!! (pics)

I'm getting 2.2 of these guys, and they are coming in tomorrow. I couldn't be more excited!!! https://ball-pythons.net/forums/imag...atar1650_6.gif They are CB by Rob Nimmo, and are amazing looking animals, as well as a very well behaved species (especially for arboreal colubrids). I've wanted to start working with these guys for a while now, and finally found some that I could trade for. I know, they're not balls (blasphemy, right Adam? https://ball-pythons.net/forums/imag...s/rolleyes.gif ), but they're still beautiful!!! I'll be taking better pics when they get here tomorrow, but let me know what you guys think.

Male #1
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil.../2/Baroni6.jpg

Female #1
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil.../2/Baroni5.jpg

Female #2
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil.../2/Baroni4.jpg

Thanks for looking!!
-Evan

Wow, those are awesome looking! Do they have a common name? They look SO TINY! How big will they get?

SWeeeeeeeeT! :snake2: 's Those are Awsome!

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Originally Posted by JLC

Wow, those are awesome looking! Do they have a common name?
They look SO TINY! How big will they get?

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Philodryas baroni
Common names: Barons green racer, Pampas ratsnake, Argentine green snake, long-nosed tree snake. There are probably a bunch of others, but these are the ones I've seen.

The mother of the babies I'm getting is close to 6 ft, and the male is 3.5 ft (both in country for 9 years), but I think they average about 4-5.

-Evan

very cool lookin critters . i love the noses and the striping down the back .

I like the looks of them :cool: .Congrats :gj:

Thanks guys! There aren't a lot of species other than balls that really want to have in my collection, and this is definitely one ot them. I'll post more pics once they arrive. :D

-Evan

WOW they are really different looking that is for sure!

NICE!!!! Don't get bit...I've heard they actually pack a bit of a punch. ;) Can't wait to see more pics of them Evan...baroni are just too cool!!

K~

P.S. Now you need some Rhynchophis! ;)

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Originally Posted by KLG

NICE!!!! Don't get bit...I've heard they actually pack a bit of a punch. ;) Can't wait to see more pics of them Evan...baroni are just too cool!!

K~

P.S. Now you need some Rhynchophis! ;)

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Yeah, some of the other Philodryas species have caused some relatively bad envenomations, but symptoms were mostly just prolonged swelling of the limb that was bitten and localized pain. There are reports of more severe envenomations too, but all the reported P. baroni bites have been a little edema with no systemic effects. I will be taking the necessary precautions when I do handle them, but the breeders that I've talked to about baroni have never had one bite in defense before, not even the babies.

I want some Rhynchophis in the future too, but these guys will help quell the urge to get more non-BP snakes for a little while :D. If they ever get here that is!

-Evan

They are gorgeous looking snakes! I love the upturned scale as well, just like on the hognoses. I don't know much about these snakes at all, are their bites like hognose bites that can cause allergic reactionTO the venom rather than FROM the venom? Just curious as I know nothing about them, but hoggies are also called rear-fanged venomous (mine doesn't bite and is a sweetie though).

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(blasphemy, right Adam?)

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LOL ... Just saw this thread Evan (been super busy lately) and I have to say that I am SHOCKED ... well not really ;) ... I'm very happy for you that you went for it! Congrats! They're really awesome (for not being balls and all :P )!!!!

:D:D:D

-adam

A bite from these guys could get pretty bad, pretty fast if they chewed for a bit. So could a bite from a hognose, but Philodryas venom is much more potent. The toxicology studies done on the venom of Philodryas point to a relatively high concentration of three-finger toxins (3FTx), as do most colubrids. For more specifics on 3FTx, and the studies that have made the herp world rethink "harmless colubrids", go here. Some colubrids even have higher concentrations of toxins drop-for-drop than elapids and vipers, they just don't have an advanced venom delivery system, nor do they produce large quantities of venom, so are not considered as dangerous (except Dispholidus typus, Thelotonis sp., and a few others that is).

-Evan

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

LOL ... Just saw this thread Evan (been super busy lately) and I have to say that I am SHOCKED ... well not really ;) ... I'm very happy for you that you went for it! Congrats! They're really awesome (for not being balls and all :P )!!!!

:D:D:D

-adam

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Thanks Adam! Don't worry, our next addition will definitely be less evolved, and have vestigial hindlimbs :D :nerd:.

-Evan

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Originally Posted by Evan Jamison

A bite from these guys could get pretty bad, pretty fast if they chewed for a bit. So could a bite from a hognose, but Philodryas venom is much more potent. The toxicology studies done on the venom of Philodryas point to a relatively high concentration of three-finger toxins (3FTx), as do most colubrids. For more specifics on 3FTx, and the studies that have made the herp world rethink "harmless colubrids", go here. Some colubrids even have higher concentrations of toxins drop-for-drop than elapids and vipers, they just don't have an advanced venom delivery system, nor do they produce large quantities of venom, so are not considered as dangerous (except Dispholidus typus, Thelotonis sp., and a few others that is).

-Evan

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Thanks, Evan - and thanks for the link which I've just read. It's a very interesting article.

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Thanks Adam! Don't worry, our next addition will definitely be less evolved, and have vestigial hindlimbs :D :nerd:.

-Evan

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YAY for less evolved! ... Now that's what I'm talkin about! ;) :sweeet:

-adam