Ringer Question

Hey Gang...just a quick question...what is the value of a "ringer" ball? By this I mean what does it add to a breeding project? Our what is the outcome because one is a ringer?

Just curious as they seem to pop up on KS and other sale sites often.

Thanks

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Originally Posted by lord jackel

Hey Gang...just a quick question...what is the value of a "ringer" ball? By this I mean what does it add to a breeding project? Our what is the outcome because one is a ringer?

Just curious as they seem to pop up on KS and other sale sites often.

Thanks

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weird, i have never heard of a ringer up until a few minutes ago and now it comes up again

They are basically totally random. No one is producing them with any certainty.

I wouldn't pay a nickle extra for an animal that was a ringer for breeding purposes ... now for a cool looking animal, I might pay a little extra, but it's only for looks.

-adam

Thanks Adam...that is what I was thinking they were...but glad someone confirmed it.


Another one of those "look at this awesome mutation" now how much will you give me for it. LOL

I thought that a ringer had some significance to piebalds?

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Originally Posted by wildlifewarrior

I thought that a ringer had some significance to piebalds?

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It's common within a couple of the pied bloodlines, but they are two unique and distinct things.

-adam

Just a coincidence huh?

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Originally Posted by wildlifewarrior

Just a coincidence huh?

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Meaning? ... Are you able to prove something different with the pieds that you're working with?

If you're interested in more information behind ringers and their occurance within some pied bloodlines, you should give Pete Kahl a call. His place is down the road a bit from me and has more pieds than EVERYONE ... he is uniquely qualified to answer any questions that you might have on the topic. ;) :sweeet:

-adam

Awsome, thanks for the info, i have read info online that a ringer is some sort of sign for pied genetics. No im not working on anything, i am just now trying to breed my normals, never mind any type of morphs or anything.


wildlifewarrior

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Originally Posted by wildlifewarrior

i have read info online that a ringer is some sort of sign for pied genetics.

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Like I said, ringers show up in some of the pied bloodlines ... but they also show up in the lines of other mutations (pastels, axanthics, lessers, spiders, etc) as well as normals.

After many years of breeding and reproducing pieds, no one has been able to conclusively like ringers to pieds in any consistent manner.

Baseless speculation online is how many false rumors are spread in this hobby.

-adam

Thanks for the clarification, thats helps alot:sweeet:


wildlifewarrior

Been lookin' for an excuse to post a pic of this girl.
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...BettyBoop1.jpg

is that a ringer ? is yes it looks normal till the tail or is it just my untrained eye(i have no idea what a ringer is)

Yes, the band of white near the tail is a ringer. She is otherwise a normal bp. I bought her because a) I needed more females, and b) I thought she looked waay cool! I call her Betty Boop because of her "white garter".

Steve

interesting thread, good info. i learnt something.