Breitensteini/Brongersmai difference?

I was wondering if there is any major difference(s) between Python Curtus Breitensteini, Python Curtus Brongersmai, Python Curtus Curtus ? Looking at photos doesn't seem top be reliable. Can any blood owners help?

Those two have actually been elevated from sub-species to species. Check out this for the differences: http://srs.embl-heidelberg.de:8000/s...cgi-bin/wgetz?[REPTILIA-Species:Python*!Pythonodipsas*]

Edit: The brackets are throwing off the linkage. Just cut and paste.

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Originally Posted by xdeus

Those two have actually been elevated from sub-species to species. Check out this for the differences: http://srs.embl-heidelberg.de:8000/s...cgi-bin/wgetz?[REPTILIA-Species:Python*!Pythonodipsas*]

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It gives me a blank page :( .

The brongersmai lack a small ring of scales (suboculars) below the eye and the supralabial scales come up right to the eye - the curtus and breitensteini have a prominent ring seperating the supralabials from the eye.

(apologies for the pic quality)


No suboculars
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...6/2/nosubs.jpg

Suboculars
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...suboculars.jpg

thanks! those photos helped a lot!

I know that often all 3 are just called blood pythons. But which species is the true red blood python? Which species are more red and less mustard, yellow, brown?

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Originally Posted by Cubby23

I know that often all 3 are just called blood pythons. But which species is the true red blood python? Which species are more red and less mustard, yellow, brown?

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From the research that I have done on them, I believe that the Sumatran bloods (Python brongersmai) are the true 'bloods'. The tend to have more red than yellow/brown/orange. Not 100% though.

Python brongersmai is the Blood Python that is the reddest:
a.k.a. Red Blood Python, Sumatran Blood Python

They are beautiful and intelligent animals. Hopefully if you have not already, you will be able to interact with one of these gorgeous works of art.

I wish you luck in your searching,

-Danny

Yes, P. brongersmai is the only of the three species to produce the red pigment. They are also the largest of the three.

p. curtus the 'black blood' or sumatran short tail, is the smallest.

April,

You had to go there right? Black Bloods are my all time favorite.
Thanks for reminding me of what I lack. LOL, Love your Dumerils by the way.

-Danny :tongue2:

lol.. well I love the black bloods too! Besides, when I was at NARBC last year and I saw one of Kara's sumatran short tails.. it was the biggest of the bloods I'd ever seen!

We're planning on getting our black blood a girlfriend at MARS :P


And a few other choice items as well ;P

I think everyone has nailed this one anyway but I will add to it briefly.

I think of them as this in terms of the species.

1. Blood Python - Sumatran or Malaysian Blood - ( Python Brongersmai )
2. Short Tailed Python - common name Borneo Blood. ( Python Breitensteini )
3. Sumatran Short Tailed Python - common name Black Blood ( Python Curtus Curtus )

Often there is confusion when people say I have a Sumatran Blood or a Malaysian Blood and thinking they are different in colour etc. While they may be different in colour they can both share the deep red oxblood variety to the lighter browns and oranges etc. Essentially they are Python Brongersmai whatever their colour.

I believe that Bloods imported in the USA mostly originate from Sumatra but maybe the USA guys or gals can clear that one up for sure.

I can see how some people can get confused however, in shape and size their is not a huge difference , mostly the colour and pattern including the scales around the eye, as it has been pointed out, are the distinguishing features to people more familiar with them.

Malaysians seem to have a far worse rep than the short tails in terms of temperment but I have not seen many bad tempered Bloods and neither of my 2 are prone to striking. They do hiss alot when you are getting them out but thats as aggressive as mine get mostly unless they are hungry and they smell the rats then they are switched on and you need to be a bit more careful.

I think mostly the bad rep has come from WC individuals and has left a black cloud over the blood name particularly the Malaysian:rainon:

I find them fascinating and beautiful in all their forms including the short tails, if you want a powerhouse package in a more managable size then they are perfect IMO.

Did I say I would add to it briefly ? :D Oooops !

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Originally Posted by snakey68

1. Blood Python - Sumatran or Malaysian Blood - ( Python Brongersmai )
2. Short Tailed Python - common name Borneo Blood. ( Python Breitensteini )
3. Sumatran Short Tailed Python - common name Black Blood ( Python Curtus Curtus )

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Thanks for clarifying which trade names are given to which species!

Sarawak Short Tails are also Python breitensteini.

They're also from the island of Borneo, but they're seperated from the Borneo short tail population by a mountain range. They're supposed to be more active and have a sweeter disposition than the others. Kara can probably chime in more on the subject. Not to many people own them.

Here's a link to a map of the island that shows where Sarawak is.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...lish_names.PNG

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Thanks for clarifying which trade names are given to which species!

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your most welcome;)

those are the main 3 of any note. as has been pointed out there is another Borneo short tail listed ( Sarawak - Breitensteini ) but currently the debate is still out and nothing is concrete yet as to a match for certain in terms of confirming what species it is directly related to. It is listed currently as Pythoon Curtus Breitensteini but that may change.

They are however as pointed out reputed to be of a far better disposition and are much easier to handle whilst being more active. Some amazing colours are also reputed to exist amongst these specimens.


does anyone have any links to some nice pics of these animals ?

Couple shots of my Sarawak.

I suppose we could ask Kara to post pictures of Duchess

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y21...ak/Sarawak.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y21...en10-18-05.jpg

I should get some new shots, he's changing in color scheme slightly as he's gotten older (and he's grown SO much).

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Couple shots of my Sarawak.

I suppose we could ask Kara to post pictures of Duchess

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y21...ak/Sarawak.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y21...en10-18-05.jpg

I should get some new shots, he's changing in color scheme slightly as he's gotten older (and he's grown SO much).

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ahh nice one, thanks for sticking them up , beautiful snake indeed gotta love them :sweeet:

do you plan to breed the sarawak?

At this time I have no plans to breed any of my short tail pythons, but I may in the future. When I bought the Sarawak I had no plans to breed him as I thought it would be nearly impossible to find a female. However, Rich Crowley is not that far away from me, and he has a nice breeding group, I may be able to pick up a female from him in the future if I so wished.

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Originally Posted by Schlyne

At this time I have no plans to breed any of my short tail pythons, but I may in the future. When I bought the Sarawak I had no plans to breed him as I thought it would be nearly impossible to find a female. However, Rich Crowley is not that far away from me, and he has a nice breeding group, I may be able to pick up a female from him in the future if I so wished.

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yeah I thought it may be a bit difficult but at least you have the option there which is good.;)