Albino+Axanthic=Snow; Carmel Albino+Axanthic=?

Has anyone perfomed this cross?

If Carmel Albinos are truly albino (i.e they cant produce functional melanin or get it into their chromatopores properly) then I'd expect this snake to be some kind of white snake as well. :snake2:

Hopefully time will tell on this combo. Does anyone know of breeders attempting this cross yet? adam?

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Originally Posted by Cubby23

Hopefully time will tell on this combo. Does anyone know of breeders attempting this cross yet? adam?

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So I guess no one has publicly stated the results of this cross? I hadnt heard of it but I'm not exactly in the Daytona loop eithier :)


I suppose that it is also possible that this crosses has been done and not really made public for whatever reason (perhaps the snake isnt interesting looking?)

Most likely it just hasnt been done yet.....I wouldnt think it would produce the purest white snake......and with limited resources I can see why this cross may not have been performed yet....breeder have to follow there best hutches and guesses.

Eventually however it will be done.....and who knows it could produce something spectactular and surprising!

The double hets exist ... the cross just hasn't been produced yet ... 1 in 16 ain't the easiest thing in the world with ball python clutches.

No great conspiracy theory here ... sorry to disappoint.

-adam

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

The double hets exist ... the cross just hasn't been produced yet ... 1 in 16 ain't the easiest thing in the world with ball python clutches.

No great conspiracy theory here ... sorry to disappoint.

-adam

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I never thought it to be a conspiracy theory.......Just wondering but would a breeder reveal or highly publicize a snake that isnt interesting looking? That was more of my point...could some crosses have been done and we dont know abouyt them simply because they produce something less than "new eye candy""? Why would you want to publicize market uninteresting results?


But you bring up a good point.

With a 1/16 chance it would be hard to differentiate between "the eye-candy isnt possible" and "I'm just unlucky and didnt produce the eye-candy" Especially if the cross has been attempted by only a few breeder a few times......the double hets are pretty new I take it?

But you answered my question....it seems that people are attempting/planning for it. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Mendel's Balls

Just wondering but would a breeder reveal or highly publicize a snake that isnt interesting looking?

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Absolutely. It's been done again and again with multiple crosses that didn't turn out the way the breeder had hoped.

-adam

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Originally Posted by Mendel's Balls

With a 1/16 chance it would be hard to differentiate between "the eye-candy isnt possible" and "I'm just unlucky and didnt produce the eye-candy"

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No conspiracy theory huh? ..... ok.

-adam

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

No conspiracy theory huh? ..... ok.

-adam

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How is that a conspiracy theory? I was agreeing with you.....
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One thing that we can rule out.....carmel and axanthic are not alleles since they produced normal looking double het pythons! If one normal looking offspring is produced then two different gene pairs (loci) complemented one another!
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Have any axanthics or carmel albinos been produced by the double het crosses? If so you could use those offspring in a sib cross to help increase your odds of producing the double recessive! (xx 66% possible Cc x cc 66% possible Xx)=1/9 chance of producing xx cc....still small odds but better (almost double from the previous 1/16 chance)......and it would certainly take a good a bit of time to raise up the offspring of each generation.

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

Absolutely. It's been done again and again with multiple crosses that didn't turn out the way the breeder had hoped.

-adam

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Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Mendel's Balls

Have any axanthics or carmel albinos been produced by the double het crosses? If so you could use those offspring in a cross to help increase your odds of producing the double recessive! (xx 66% possible Cc x cc 66% possible Xx)=1/9 chance of producing xx cc....a little better......and it would certainly take a good a bit of time to raise up the offspring of each generation.

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Way ahead of you. :sweeet:

-adam

I think a Carmel Axanthic will look pretty cool. I think when more and more crosses are made, we will see some animals that were not considered top quality become needed to make the crosses look more interesting.

For example, would a VPI axanthic or TSK axanthic produce a cooler looking carmel-axanthic? Would a heavily patterned or reduced pattern spider produce a neater looking genetic stripe x spider? With a faded albino or high contrast albino, what would the difference be when making albino x pied crosses since the pied gene seems to bring out the orange in the cross?

Alot of people want to be the 'first' to produce a cross.....I could care less about being the first to produce anything.....but I would not mind having the awesomest looking morph combo of its kind ;)

The ball python world has only seen a small fraction of what is going to happen with morphs when you think about it....options are endless!

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

Absolutely. It's been done again and again with multiple crosses that didn't turn out the way the breeder had hoped.

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yep.....just look at the hypo x albino.....not too spectacular IMO.

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Originally Posted by daniel1983

I think a Carmel Axanthic will look pretty cool. I think when more and more crosses are made, we will see some animals that were not considered top quality become needed to make the crosses look more interesting.

For example, would a VPI axanthic or TSK axanthic produce a cooler looking carmel-axanthic? Would a heavily patterned or reduced pattern spider produce a neater looking genetic stripe x spider? With a faded albino or high contrast albino, what would the difference be when making albino x pied crosses since the pied gene seems to bring out the orange in the cross?

Alot of people want to be the 'first' to produce a cross.....I could care less about being the first to produce anything.....but I would not mind having the awesomest looking morph combo of its kind ;)

The ball python world has only seen a small fraction of what is going to happen with morphs when you think about it....options are endless!



yep.....just look at the hypo x albino.....not too spectacular IMO.

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Great post....thanks for pointning out the last example too! :gj:

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

Way ahead of you. :sweeet:

-adam

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I think we all know that your light years ahead of me in the production department. :)