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  • 08-26-2006, 02:46 PM
    Tybalt
    Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    Hello everyone! I may score big on a glass front fridge to make into an incubator for this upcoming year!! I am so excited about this, check it out and tell me what you think. The woman is asking $60 dollars for the fridge it is brand new and she still has the box for it. Should I or shouldn't I?? Here is the pic.

    https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...rmaterials.jpg
  • 08-26-2006, 03:39 PM
    Emilio
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    I've got something similar it just doesn't have the glass. I haven't turned it into an incubator yet but I will soon.
  • 08-26-2006, 03:42 PM
    Evan Jamison
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    Sounds like a good deal to me if you are only having a few clutches a year, but if you are planning on more than 5 or 6 clutches at a time, I would go for something bigger. The glass door is nice though, let us know if you end up getting it.


    -Evan
  • 08-26-2006, 04:17 PM
    Emilio
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    Yeah Evan I noticed it didn't have much space but it was free , I'm thinking I'll be alright for the first two year's of breeding. I'll probably only need it for 2 to three clutch's.
  • 08-26-2006, 05:41 PM
    jglass38
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    It looks like itll work fine. Even if you build a wet incubator (cooler with an aquarium heater etc) itll still cost you close to $45 and it will only fit a couple clutches. Sounds like a good deal for a couple years
  • 08-26-2006, 05:57 PM
    jessie_k_pythons
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    ok so how do you turn it in to an incubator?? I have 3 fridges like that with glass frounts that are in storage if it is possable to turn them in to Incubators then how do I do it. (so I dont take over the thread, just PM me)
  • 08-26-2006, 06:10 PM
    Ginevive
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    That would be great IMO; especially since the door is glass and you are going to have to peek into the thing every 5 minutes (if you're like me, hehe.)
  • 08-26-2006, 07:04 PM
    Tybalt
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    Thanks everyone!!!;)
    I just called the woman back about the fridge and we sealed the deal. It gets better she is going to deliver it to me. LOL, it was over an hour ride to her house and she is already going to be in my neighborhood this coming weekend. So it works out for both of us. Thanks everyone for your support.

    Oh Eva Jameson I am only going to have about three clutches next season.

    Anyone who already modified a fridge to incubator throw me a PM and tell me how it worked out. Thank you all again.

    :banana: :banana: :banana:

    -Danny
  • 08-26-2006, 07:12 PM
    jglass38
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tybalt
    Thanks everyone!!!;)
    I just called the woman back about the fridge and we sealed the deal. It gets better she is going to deliver it to me. LOL, it was over an hour ride to her house and she is already going to be in my neighborhood this coming weekend. So it works out for both of us. Thanks everyone for your support.

    Oh Eva Jameson I am only going to have about three clutches next season.

    Anyone who already modified a fridge to incubator throw me a PM and tell me how it worked out. Thank you all again.

    :banana: :banana: :banana:

    -Danny

    Good stuff Danny!
  • 08-26-2006, 07:23 PM
    frankykeno
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    Oh I think that would be perfect! Glad you made the deal and she's even dropping it off to you.

    Here's a link I had in my favorites list. Hopefully it will be of some help. I can't verify if these instructions are good as I've not tried them out yet but take it for what it is. Cue and some others here have made really nice incubators out of old fridges/freezers so they would likely be able to say if these instructions are reasonable to follow.

    http://www.arbreptiles.com/cages/incubator.shtml

    When you consider the cost of the following incubator I think you got a really good deal if you can rehab that $60.00 unit into a workable incubator. I've seen Casey's incubators btw and believe me they are fantastic...wish I could afford one myself for this coming season...very well constructed! (click on the Incubator link on the left side of the home page)

    http://www.nsreptiles.com/
  • 08-26-2006, 07:28 PM
    jglass38
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by frankykeno
    Oh I think that would be perfect! Glad you made the deal and she's even dropping it off to you.

    Here's a link I had in my favorites list. Hopefully it will be of some help. I can't verify if these instructions are good as I've not tried them out yet but take it for what it is. Cue and some others here have made really nice incubators out of old fridges/freezers so they would likely be able to say if these instructions are reasonable to follow.

    http://www.arbreptiles.com/cages/incubator.shtml

    That is the link I was looking for but couldnt find! That'll do the job!
  • 08-26-2006, 09:10 PM
    Tybalt
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by frankykeno
    Oh I think that would be perfect! Glad you made the deal and she's even dropping it off to you.

    Here's a link I had in my favorites list. Hopefully it will be of some help. I can't verify if these instructions are good as I've not tried them out yet but take it for what it is. Cue and some others here have made really nice incubators out of old fridges/freezers so they would likely be able to say if these instructions are reasonable to follow.

    http://www.arbreptiles.com/cages/incubator.shtml

    When you consider the cost of the following incubator I think you got a really good deal if you can rehab that $60.00 unit into a workable incubator. I've seen Casey's incubators btw and believe me they are fantastic...wish I could afford one myself for this coming season...very well constructed! (click on the Incubator link on the left side of the home page)

    http://www.nsreptiles.com/

    Joanna you are the BEST EVER!!! :sweeet:

    I would like to say thank you for the great links. :D

    The thing is I can buy one of the commercial incubators. In reality money is not an issue at all, neither is time. I am planning all this for next breeding season. I will have about three clutches of different BP morphs next year to tend to. I don't want to chance losing the clutches but I have faith in myself as a Do-it-yourselfer. I just want to play a role in the building of the incubator solely for learning purposes. I am going to order a Helix thermostat soon and will have the heat tape made at the October Hamburg, PA show. I already stopped at my local radio shack for a computer fan to hard wire in. I will have the unit built and running MANY months before I really need it.

    If and when it is time for the clutches and it does not work out I will buy a commercial incubator. My heart is way bigger than my ego!! I am NOT going to risk my babies for sake of saving "face" with my big bad homemade incubator. Eventually everything will workout, it always does. I hope I am stating this clear enough.

    Thanks again for all the information. I love you guys and the knowledge you share with the rest of the community. Good luck everyone with their home made projects in the future.

    -Danny;)
  • 08-26-2006, 09:12 PM
    jglass38
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tybalt
    Joanna you are the BEST EVER!!! :sweeet:

    I would like to say thank you for the great links. :D

    The thing is I can buy one of the commercial incubators. In reality money is not an issue at all, neither is time. I am planning all this for next breeding season. I will have about three clutches of different BP morphs next year to tend to. I don't want to chance losing the clutches but I have faith in myself as a Do-it-yourselfer. I just want to play a role in the building of the incubator solely for learning purposes. I am going to order a Helix thermostat soon and will have the heat tape made at the October Hamburg, PA show. I already stopped at my local radio shack for a computer fan to hard wire in. I will have the unit built and running MANY months before I really need it.

    If and when it is time for the clutches and it does not work out I will buy a commercial incubator. My heart is way bigger than my ego!! I am NOT going to risk my babies for sake of saving "face" with my big bad homemade incubator. Eventually everything will workout, it always does. I hope I am stating this clear enough.

    Thanks again for all the information. I love you guys and the knowledge you share with the rest of the community. Good luck everyone with their home made projects in the future.

    -Danny;)

    Good post Danny! Hopefully more people like you get into this hobby/business.

    J
  • 08-26-2006, 09:31 PM
    Tybalt
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jglass38
    Good post Danny! Hopefully more people like you get into this hobby/business.

    J

    Thank you Jamie. I want everything to work out regardless. But who doesn't?

    How was this season for you Jamie? Did you have any biscuits in the oven??
  • 08-26-2006, 09:36 PM
    jglass38
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tybalt
    Thank you Jamie. I want everything to work out regardless. But who doesn't?

    How was this season for you Jamie? Did you have any biscuits in the oven??

    Unfortunately not. I had to take the season off completely to move. This one will be fun though! I can't believe it is already Labor Day!! We'll get the Bisquick going soon enough!
  • 08-26-2006, 09:56 PM
    Tybalt
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    :snake2: + :snake2: + :date: = :new::trophy::snake: :snake: :snake: :snake: :snake: :snake: !!!!!


    Next years Buisquik Biscuit Baking Champions are here to stay!!

    I can not wait to see those lil egg tooths cutting through the leathery protection that keeps them from their futures.
    It is great when they see the :sunny: for the first time!

    -Danny
  • 08-26-2006, 10:36 PM
    muddoc
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    Danny,
    Here is a picture of the home made fridge incubator that I built for this last seasons clutches. I think it came out great. It is a little biger that the one you are attempting, but if you have any questions let ma know, as it is the same principles as yours. I had 11 clutches in there this year, but I feel that I can fit about twenty in there at one time if I have to. Let me know if you have any questions. I need to get some better pics, but if you want to see anything specific, let me know, and I'll try to get the pics for you.
    http://www.baileyreptiles.com/images/gallery/fp16l.jpg
    http://www.baileyreptiles.com/images/gallery/fp17l.jpg
    Hope this helps,
  • 08-26-2006, 11:27 PM
    Tybalt
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    Tim I am impressed that is a full size double door soda machine. Ha ha.
    Your my idol. I thought I was cool turning a wine refrigerator into an incubator, but you all out when industrial strength on us. Cool incubator I love it man.

    Thank you for the information and I will definitely be in touch in a couple weeks when I am building this puppy.

    P.S. Did you build it totally by yourself, I mean wiring/heating?
    What kind of heating does it have? Ventilation/air circulation?

    Thanks again,


    -Danny
  • 08-27-2006, 12:29 AM
    muddoc
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    Danny,
    I did build it all by myself. It has 4 feet of 11" flexwatt down each side wall. It is powered by a Helix 1500 watt system, and the air is circulated by two 4" radio shack fans. It did a pretty good job this year. The only complaint that I have, is that I need to reposition the fans for better air movement. There was about a 2-3 degree variance in temperature from the top to bottom. In a couple of months, I am going to try to move the fans and see if I can't get the variance to be in the neighborhood of 1 degree top to bottom.
    Thanks for the compliments,
  • 08-27-2006, 12:39 AM
    Tybalt
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    That is cool that you hooked it all up yourself. It gives you a sense of accomplishment correct? I would feel great if I built a megatron incubator.

    The fan ideas sounds good because you stated there was a 2-3 degree difference wow. Isn't that cutting it close if they go too high?

    It is so well worth the $60.oo for the unit, because if all doesn't work out I have a nice wine cooler to keep in the spare closet. I guess I would have to start drinking then. LOL well anyway.

    Thanks again for your responses.

    -Danny
  • 08-27-2006, 12:49 AM
    muddoc
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    Danny,
    Actually some of my clutches did incubate at 91 degrees, which is a lttle higher than I wanted, but they did fine. They ust hatched a few days earlier.
  • 08-27-2006, 12:50 AM
    cueball
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tybalt
    a megatron incubator

    Lol...that's awesome!!

    I built one that works. When you get close let me know and I will be happy to help :gj:
  • 08-27-2006, 11:35 AM
    Tybalt
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cueball
    Lol...that's awesome!!

    I built one that works. When you get close let me know and I will be happy to help :gj:


    Thanks Que your the man..............:yes:

    How many clutches/years has yours been working for?
    Did you have a thread on it? If so throw me the link.

    THanks again Brother,

    -Danny
  • 08-27-2006, 04:42 PM
    Evan Jamison
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by emilio
    Yeah Evan I noticed it didn't have much space but it was free , I'm thinking I'll be alright for the first two year's of breeding. I'll probably only need it for 2 to three clutch's.

    Yeah, free is always good, and a mini fridge is perfect for just a few clutches. Plus a smaller fridge is easy to get the temps homogeneous throughout. Our fridge incubator was perfect for us this season with 7 clutches, but we'll need something bigger for next year. The nice thing is that upgrading only involves getting a bigger insulated box, as you can always move the fan/thermostat to the new one.

    -Evan
  • 08-27-2006, 07:09 PM
    Tybalt
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Evan Jamison
    Yeah, free is always good, and a mini fridge is perfect for just a few clutches. Plus a smaller fridge is easy to get the temps homogeneous throughout. Our fridge incubator was perfect for us this season with 7 clutches, but we'll need something bigger for next year. The nice thing is that upgrading only involves getting a bigger insulated box, as you can always move the fan/thermostat to the new one.
    -Evan


    Evan I love your post because it is so true, all I have to do is untape a couple things and look what else my incubator is good for:

    https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...vl1_486029.jpg

    The actual dimensions are: 33 5/16"h x 19 3/4"w x 19 3/4"d

    An incubator for two seasons and a beverage cooler for the other two. LOL
    How many Rubbermaids do you think I could fit in here? I only need to fit about three this year, but in the future?
    I guess I will find out myself when it gets here this upcoming Saturday. Yippee! Score!
  • 08-27-2006, 07:54 PM
    Regal Boids
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    What size tub does everyone use for the eggs? ALso Nice deal you got. I paid $10 for my apartment sized redfridege 4.5 feet tall. I also paid 40 for the glass so 50 for mine and its probably almost twice the size of yours but then I had to buy the liquid nails, silicone, foam and all that other work. Great deal.
  • 08-27-2006, 09:21 PM
    JLC
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    Aren't there laws against mixing Coke and Pepsi in the same fridge? You'd better check your local codes before you get raided! :P :P :P
  • 08-27-2006, 09:27 PM
    Tybalt
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    Hey Judy :zerb: :colbert2: :rolleye2: :confuzd: :sweeet:
    I don't care I drink SPRITE lol,

    -Danny
  • 08-27-2006, 09:58 PM
    lillyorchid
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    Sweet! Good luck with that!!!!
  • 08-27-2006, 11:04 PM
    Tybalt
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    Thank you Allison. Believe me if I get jammed up :confused: while building it you will hear my mouth LOL.

    It may sound weird but I am actually concerned that the fridge is not going to hold heat in well enough. That is just me though a worry wart. I am always concerned about my babies, if it is a gecko, beardie or snake. It will look great.

    -Danny:D
  • 08-27-2006, 11:42 PM
    cueball
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tybalt
    Thanks Que your the man..............:yes:

    How many clutches/years has yours been working for?
    Did you have a thread on it? If so throw me the link.

    THanks again Brother,

    -Danny

    Thus far I have only had one clutch at a time in it and have only used it this year. I am in the middle of cluth #2. Clutch #1 hatched 100% and clutch #2 is on track for the same. However I think it would hold up to four clutches.

    Here is an old crappy pic :rolleyes:

    https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...pincubator.jpg
  • 08-27-2006, 11:51 PM
    Tybalt
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cueball
    Thus far I have only had one clutch at a time in it and have only used it this year. I am in the middle of clutch #2. Clutch #1 hatched 100% and clutch #2 is on track for the same. However I think it would hold up to four clutches.

    Here is an old crappy pic :rolleyes:

    https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...pincubator.jpg

    Hey Cue,
    Did you line the back with aluminum foil or the such? Or is it just the reflection of the flash?

    Keep posting picks of the "Trimitron CUE2000" Please, I am very interested.

    It seams you have the Helix up top and the digi thermo inside. A bout four feet of heat tape. Did you get the tape made up or did you do it yourself? I don't really trust homemade electronics when I am out of the house for 10-14 hours at a clip. I don't need the four letter F word happening.
    It ends with "ire" of course and get your mind out of the gutter people.

    Thanks again Cue your the man! I also sell Ego-Booster by the 12oz can.

    -Danny
  • 08-28-2006, 09:12 PM
    cueball
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tybalt
    "Jimitron CUE2000"

    LMAO!!

    That is reflection from my weaksauce picture. The heat tape is 3 feet in length(the 11" wide flexwatt has to be trimmed in 12" long sections only). This goes flat on the bottom and up the back side. With a small fan at the top to move the air and help keep a more even temp. I wired up the tape. It's a snap and comes with full instructions. I hear justcage offers the flex already wired though if you are not comfortable doing it yourself. The Helix probe is placed directly in the egg box. I hope this helps big guns :cool:
  • 08-28-2006, 09:39 PM
    Tybalt
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cueball
    I hope this helps big guns :cool:

    Nice, I like it.

    Oh and about the "JIMITRON CUE2000" This has to be patented immediatly or all the trolling jimmys online will steal your idea and make
    millions of dollars on KS.com by selling the units for a TENTH of what it COST to make them!! ROFLMAO!!!

    Enough, Enough I am wiping tears, STOP

    -Danny
  • 08-29-2006, 08:24 PM
    Tybalt
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...RONCUE2000.JPG

    Hey Cue I was thinking about you today while playing with photoshop. LOL
    Tell me what you think.:sweeet:

    And by the way I AM NOT SELLING PASTELS FOR $25-$150. O.K.:irkd:

    Just a JOKE, a lil humor on a tuesday night.:giggle: :giggle: :giggle:

    -Danny
  • 08-29-2006, 08:30 PM
    kavmon
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    lol, i like it! Jimmies don't need bators. they just buy and sell as low as they can! just like used car salesmen, they pass off other peoples problems on to you! lol



    vaughn
  • 08-29-2006, 08:38 PM
    cueball
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    Looks awesome Dimmi :clap:

    You are on your way to fortune and fame :P

    I wanted to clear up my statement on the heat tape. The flex watt that is 11" wide can only be trimmed in lenghts of every 12". So plan around having it in lengths of 12" lengths. You will not need more than 3 feet to heat your incubator. One trick that works well is to have tubs or bottles of water in the incubator. This water will hold heat well so when you open the door and let the heat out and then close the door there will be a heat sink and reheating the incuator will take less time. I also installed a short light with an outside switch so i could flip the light on and see what's going on without opening the door. I hope this helps with your DimmiTron 3000 :bolt:
  • 08-29-2006, 08:40 PM
    cueball
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kavmon
    just like used car salesmen

    DAGGER :partyon:
  • 08-29-2006, 08:49 PM
    kavmon
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    lol, new car salesmen are worse. at least with the used car bunch you might suspect something wrong. the new car guys totally fool you into thinking you are getting a deal! and make thousands more off of you...


    i don't like daggers, battle ax more my style lol


    vaughn
  • 08-29-2006, 08:49 PM
    Tybalt
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    Vaughn,
    I know I love it. I had to put the spin on the incubator for sake of humor.

    Cue,
    Thank you for clarifying for me. I have been calling around in regards to the heat tape and the Bean Farm stated they could make me a 25' / 11" heat tape. So when you said what you said I got Jimmified. LOL, just kidding. I got you now.

    My last post is of the final product. We will see if it will make us millions, by this weekend of course, sell everything before it hatches.

    Here is the routing and account info for our Swiss account:

    999J9I9M9M9Y9R9U9I9N9S9E9V9E9R9Y9T9H9I9N9G9F9O9R9U9S999

    Get your glasses on to read that one. Read it slowly Cue.

    -Danny
  • 08-29-2006, 08:53 PM
    kavmon
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    lol, please don't tell me that you write code for the military?


    vaughn
  • 08-29-2006, 08:55 PM
    cueball
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tybalt
    I have been calling around in regards to the heat tape and the Bean Farm stated they could make me a 25' / 11" heat tape.

    Bean Farm is the bomb!!! When ordering ask for your free tshirt in extra medium :carouse:
  • 08-29-2006, 09:44 PM
    Tybalt
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cueball
    Bean Farm is the bomb!!! When ordering ask for your free tshirt in extra medium :carouse:

    Yeah free tshirt, size medium................when I was born maybe. LOL



    Vaughn,
    Minus all the nines to get the SUPER DUPER TOP SECRET MESSAGE.
    Your decoder ring is in the mail, O.K. :P
  • 08-29-2006, 09:49 PM
    kavmon
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    i was being :rolleyes: , i got that the first 10 seconds! lol

    do you work for the military? lol j/k


    vaughn
  • 08-29-2006, 09:55 PM
    Tybalt
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    Hey Vaughn,


    I knew you got it the first time silly, the explanation is for the people that are online 24 hours a day. To them simple words like CAT,HAT,TOP,DOG get mixed up with BID NOW, MUST SELL, THIS WEEKEND ONLY, JIMMY SPECIAL. You know what I mean jelly bean? I know I talk too much, LOL,:fim: :fim: :fim: :fim: :fim:

    Tybalt out!!!!!!!!!!!

    p.s. no military for me, I apologize America for not serving.
  • 08-29-2006, 09:59 PM
    kavmon
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    just kidding man, i'm an army brat, my dad was an old school nco for 30 yrs. i have alot of respect for the old timers!



    vaughn
  • 08-29-2006, 10:05 PM
    Tybalt
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...uderesized.jpg

    You never know who is on the other end of the computer line. This is a portrait of myself taken this morning. :zerb:

    That is cool about your dad. I love and respect anyone who serves/served.
    It is something that not everyone could do. That is why I respect them so much.
  • 08-31-2006, 12:12 AM
    Tybalt
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    What? Nobody likes my daughter? I am hurt by this...............;)
  • 09-22-2006, 09:10 AM
    Chad Schwinn
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kavmon
    lol, new car salesmen are worse. at least with the used car bunch you might suspect something wrong. the new car guys totally fool you into thinking you are getting a deal! and make thousands more off of you...


    i don't like daggers, battle ax more my style lol


    vaughn

    Vaughn,

    You'd be suprised... The used guys usually make more on a sale. They rip off the sucker trading in on a new car telling them "I'll give you $3500 for your trade, when the actual vale they deduct is $500 for the trade in, they make it up with "incentives" and usually don't include every incentive unless they need to make the trade in look more valuable... Then they take the $500 trade in and advertise it for $4,250 and actually sell it for $3,500. A "good car salesperson" (oxymoron) can make a 700% profit on a used trade in any day... I hate those people. Both of my parents used to work at Dodge/Chrysler dealerships in sales... they didn't last long because they couldn't sleep at night after doing that to people.
  • 09-26-2006, 10:08 PM
    Pintado
    Re: Incubator out of a mini Fridge?????
    [QUOTE=. Cue and some others here have made really nice incubators out of old fridges/freezers so they would likely be able to say if these instructions are reasonable to follow.

    [url="http://www.arbreptiles.com/cages/incubator.shtml"]http://www.arbreptiles.com/cages/incubator.shtml[/url]


    Gave me some great ideas thanks!!

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