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The meeting on Wednesday didn't go as smoothly as hoped. One Lady even stormed out of the meeting after saying the snakes would only come to Mapleton "over her dead body". This whole thing just irks me so bad!:tricho:

http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_4235467

-Evan

Playing the devil's advocate...I think that the Sutherlands should have gotten their permits straight before investing so much capital into the buildings/barns that they had already constructed. I'm also confused as to how they got the proper building permits to construct the buildings themselves prior to obtaining approval on a conditional use permit for the business to operate on.

Either way, that really sucks for them. The council is making the issue out to be about zoning regulations and no more, meanwhile the interpretation of the commercial limits on the land usage is going to be affected by public opinion based on fear of snakes.

Those council members would probably have a hard time getting re-elected if they approved a permit for a snake breeding facility within a mile of an elementary school. That sounds rediculous and perfectly acceptable to us, but to a layperson who can't tell a ball python from a king cobra, that's certainly got to be a frightening proposition.

I wish them the best of luck with this...

Sounds like a little town...it'll be hard to getanything done.

Because you have to get into community politics and work from there...
small minds are hard to change keep up the good fight!:sabduel:

elevatethis brings up a good point. why not research a little more before they put in all that capital.... either way, I hopeit works out

Especially difficult in small towns in Utah. Having lived in the area, I can attest to the power that certain members of the community can hold over the decision making process. I'd like to think that they'll get their approval, but I'm thinking that they're pretty much out of luck.

I can see Utah small town people protesting the snake farm and picketing the council meeting chanting, "Multiple wives OK multiple snakes NO WAY!"

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

I can see Utah small town people protesting the snake farm and picketing the council meeting chanting, "Multiple wives OK multiple snakes NO WAY!"

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Weeelll...that's really a gross generalization about people who live in Utah, the multiple spouse thing. From what I understand from local friend who are LDS, that is very taboo and way outside the faith...

LOL pythons so close to an elementary school. well of course the first place the snakes will go is after children 400 times their size and not the 'feed' barn right next door.

It was a joke used to get a point across... get a sense of humor

Yes. Say what you will about the LDS church, the polygamists are in isolated little communities (mostly), and have all been excommunicated by the mainstream church, which aids the FBI in their efforts to prosecute. (Check out Jon Krakauer's 'Under the Banner of Heaven' more info than you've ever wanted . . .)

However, especially in small towns in Utah, if a powerful member of the local Stake takes a stand on something, you can bet that it will have a serious impact on what happens. Not that this is a religious issue, but it doesn't have to be . . .

Ok, u want it simple..... it's america, let people marry who they want, it doesn't effect me, who cares. The land of the free sure is opressive

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Originally Posted by benhamtroll

Yes. Say what you will about the LDS church, the polygamists are in isolated little communities (mostly), and have all been excommunicated by the mainstream church, which aids the FBI in their efforts to prosecute. (Check out Jon Krakauer's 'Under the Banner of Heaven' more info than you've ever wanted . . .)

However, especially in small towns in Utah, if a powerful member of the local Stake takes a stand on something, you can bet that it will have a serious impact on what happens. Not that this is a religious issue, but it doesn't have to be . . .

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sorry, this all just reminds me i love Big Love

i dunno lets get back to the issue...the snakes, cause that's why I get on here.
to learn, have fun not to be an anal person.. (unlike some)

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Originally Posted by Waldorf_301

elevatethis brings up a good point. why not research a little more before they put in all that capital.... either way, I hopeit works out

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The way I understand it, they got the thumbs up from day one on getting the conditional use permit once the building was up and operational if they bought and built where and how the city planners told them. Only after some members of the community made an issue out of it did the city start looking for loopholes to stop them from being able to run their business. It seems that they just chose the wrong city, as Jeremy Stone's new facility was built in the same county just last year with not so much as a peep from members of that community.

-Evan

This is a bothersome issue because no matter what you say or do people fear snakes. It is hard to understand the "power" these people have in their own little world there. Take them out of their element and they have nothing. It is so true that PEOPLE FEAR WHAT THEY DO NOT KNOW :2cent:

$600k? Woot!I personally think it is BS and I would fight tooth and nail.:mad:

I wish them luck with this drama they are in right now. We all could pray for them atleast there will be a chance.

-Danny

Seems that they sold it as more of a hobby than a business in an effort to ease the permit process. Regardless, it sucks...

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Originally Posted by Evan Jamison

The way I understand it, they got the thumbs up from day one on getting the conditional use permit once the building was up and operational if they bought and built where and how the city planners told them. Only after some members of the community made an issue out of it did the city start looking for loopholes to stop them from being able to run their business. It seems that they just chose the wrong city, as Jeremy Stone's new facility was built in the same county just last year with not so much as a peep from members of that community.

-Evan

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Okie dokie.

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

Playing the devil's advocate...I think that the Sutherlands should have gotten their permits straight before investing so much capital into the buildings/barns that they had already constructed. I'm also confused as to how they got the proper building permits to construct the buildings themselves prior to obtaining approval on a conditional use permit for the business to operate on.

Either way, that really sucks for them. The council is making the issue out to be about zoning regulations and no more, meanwhile the interpretation of the commercial limits on the land usage is going to be affected by public opinion based on fear of snakes.

Those council members would probably have a hard time getting re-elected if they approved a permit for a snake breeding facility within a mile of an elementary school. That sounds rediculous and perfectly acceptable to us, but to a layperson who can't tell a ball python from a king cobra, that's certainly got to be a frightening proposition.

I wish them the best of luck with this...

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I agree, I would think that if you are going to plop that kind of money into a place, you would at least make sure that all the proper permits are available. This is very wierd since these people were obviously in business before and know how things work. I liked the comment about the pythons being near a school.... OH MY :O

that :cens0r::cens0r::cens0r::cens0r:s messed up!!!!! them people get me pissed!!! i wish they build ten snake farms!!!

It is mroe political BS, probably. My boyfriend started up a tattoo shop several years ago, within sight-vision of a public high school. I was there personally when the city inspector came and said everything was fine, etc. Then a month after we have the place open, they declare he has to shut it down due to the school; mind you, we always made sure kids walking in had ID and were over 18, parent or no parent. It was a completely sterile environment that he had invested about 10000.00 in; new flooring, new bathroom, supplies and all that fun stuff. Gotta LOVE politics.

What a bunch of CROCK!?!????!!!


If there was a problem w/the land use code /ordinace or whatever, why did they approve the building permits at the very beginning!??? HUH? Just say "sorry Mr. S, you can' t build here because :blahblah: :blahblah:" and be done. Then they wouldn't have invested the time and money there and could take their business somewhere else.

And the person griping c. the pythons?! WTF!? "out in the middle of nowhere". Yeah, right. Like a BALL PYTHON is going to be ANY sort of threat to even a SMALL child. Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure....and I'll sell U the Brooklyn Bridge.

*SNORT* Just another fine example of SMALL minds being a waste of time.

It would be a travesty b/c of the money they've already invested. I hope they get their business, but I wouldn't be holding my breath if I were them.

It never ceases to amaze me why so many small towns go under or never recover economicallydue to such stupid reasons........

The sutherlands wont just be hurt by this ridiculous behavior....wont the school board or state lose revenue in the form of income tax, property taxes, etc? WHo wins from this? FEAR! That's it!

Couldnt the neighborhood use an infusion of captial and money from a successful business man? Just imagine the educational program that could have been done at the elementary school......people just dont listen to reason enough.

U know what it is, its all the bad publisity snakes have gotten since the bible. Sorry to hi jack a little but, In the bible a snake(the devil) told eve to eat the apple and thats where it began(BAD PUBLISITY) First off the bible was passed on though so many generations, by word of mouth b4 it was written so there is a good chance a lot of it is false(no one get mad about that i m a religous person but a realist also) Then though the two generations b4 me (I m 18) A series of moves came out and continue to come out this day, lets make a list.
1.PYTHON, a stupid, unrealistic, almost godzilla move
2.PYTHON 2 Not much better than the first
3.PYTHON VS. BOA OK if the first two sucked why make a third
4.ANACONDA now realy come on, nothin against the movie, cause it wasnt bad but so unrealistic
5.ANACONDAS(search for the blood orchid) Better than the first but still the same outcome
6.SNAKES ON A PLANE(most recent obviously) funny, unrealistic, and i think a corn snake killed someone in it, Probally with its huge venamous FANGS!

I m probally missing some so tell me but, u get the point it has been society that has purposly destroyed the reputation of the whole snake family!!!!

P.S. (I forgot this and i dont feel like editing)
St. Patrick, my favorite saint, my conformation saint but, he suposedly chased the snakes outta Ireland. If u do some reaseach, some say that St. Patrick was the only one that could see the snakes. Wait, do u smell that, oh it smells like BS!!!!!!!

OH btw plz keep us posted on any final desisions or the outcome and what the happens to the big investment and stuff!

All I can say is I wish them luck and a speedy resolution to this problem.

I wish them luck. It sounds like if they could get a few bp's out and do some sort of public demonstration they're probably get the public calmed down a bit.

When non snake people think python, they tend to think of something at least bcc size or bigger :(


Unforunately, something similiar happened to Lee Watson's Swap. The new building for the swap is done. But the swap cannot be moved there, becuase it connects to a state highway. The state requires the business to pay for turn lanes, which are 100,000 each.

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Originally Posted by 33takkun33

U know what it is, its all the bad publisity snakes have gotten since the bible. Sorry to hi jack a little but, In the bible a snake(the devil) told eve to eat the apple and thats where it began(BAD PUBLISITY) First off the bible was passed on though so many generations, by word of mouth b4 it was written so there is a good chance a lot of it is false(no one get mad about that i m a religous person but a realist also) Then though the two generations b4 me (I m 18) A series of moves came out and continue to come out this day, lets make a list.
1.PYTHON, a stupid, unrealistic, almost godzilla move
2.PYTHON 2 Not much better than the first
3.PYTHON VS. BOA OK if the first two sucked why make a third
4.ANACONDA now realy come on, nothin against the movie, cause it wasnt bad but so unrealistic
5.ANACONDAS(search for the blood orchid) Better than the first but still the same outcome
6.SNAKES ON A PLANE(most recent obviously) funny, unrealistic, and i think a corn snake killed someone in it, Probally with its huge venamous FANGS!

I m probally missing some so tell me but, u get the point it has been society that has purposly destroyed the reputation of the whole snake family!!!!

P.S. (I forgot this and i dont feel like editing)
St. Patrick, my favorite saint, my conformation saint but, he suposedly chased the snakes outta Ireland. If u do some reaseach, some say that St. Patrick was the only one that could see the snakes. Wait, do u smell that, oh it smells like BS!!!!!!!

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i think most people here already know this, i believe its mostly for the ordinance, and second for irrational fear. people fear what they dont know- they think these snakes can get bigger as in anaconda size and etc.

also- you do realize that only in western civilization is this true; in eastern snakes are reveared creatures. it just depends on where you live.

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Originally Posted by Ginevive

It is mroe political BS, probably. My boyfriend started up a tattoo shop several years ago, within sight-vision of a public high school. I was there personally when the city inspector came and said everything was fine, etc. Then a month after we have the place open, they declare he has to shut it down due to the school; mind you, we always made sure kids walking in had ID and were over 18, parent or no parent. It was a completely sterile environment that he had invested about 10000.00 in; new flooring, new bathroom, supplies and all that fun stuff. Gotta LOVE politics.

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I love how a tatoo shop is more threating than the actual drugs that do go into a school. geez. its SOOO easy to flail on someone for building a tatoo shop- but dang its hard as crap to go rustle up the kids who blatently pass the pot around in the parking lot. which is more dangerous?

I think that maybe the protesters should get all the information before protesting (which they have every right to do, it's just stupid if they don't know all the facts). These are the same sort of people that protest against animal testing, they use half-truths to argue their points.

Well, as it's been said before, if it ain' cuddly and furry, most people don't want anything to do with it. Though I do agree with a previous poster playing the Devil's Advocate: It makes me wonder just how much the Sutherlands told the city about their 'plans for business' at the beginning--if they had informed them of just exactly what their business was going to be, I imagine the city would've told them from the getgo that it wasn't possible; They might not've been one hundred percent sure about the whole 'exotic' snakes thing, but I'm pretty sure the 'no rodent' law was already in effect. They probably could've saved themselves a whole hell of a lot of time and money and heartache. I'm not saying the Sutherlands lied or anything of that nature, but when you're starting a business, especially one of such a financial nature, it's a good idea to get all of your cards on the table in the beginning, so you don't have such troublesome financial problems later.