What produces....

What 2 bp's produce a Piebald?

What 2 bp's produce a Caramel?

What 2 bp's produce a Albino?

I could go on forever. Feel free to contribute.

well im pretty sure that any two normal bps could produce and albino;)

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Originally Posted by nathanledet

What 2 bp's produce a Piebald?

What 2 bp's produce a Caramel?

What 2 bp's produce a Albino?

I could go on forever. Feel free to contribute.

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I can answer this in one simple answer,all are produced by either 2 hets or a homo and a het.As far as i understand all these you have here were started by a wild caught adult then bred to its offspring to start the lines of the morphs.If i am wrong someone please correct me.

Pieds, caramels, and albinos are all simple-recessive traits. So the mom and dad must each carry at least one copy of the gene. Het-pieds, het-caramels, het-albinos....pairs of those will give you a chance at some visible morphs and some normal looking possible hets. If both the mom and dad are visible pieds (for instance) then all their babies will be as well.

No (at the first reply) Only hets and Albinos can.

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Originally Posted by dom13

well im pretty sure that any two normal bps could produce and albino;)

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No you are wrong.They have to be carrying the albino gene in order to make a albino.

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Originally Posted by nathanledet

What 2 bp's produce a Piebald?

What 2 bp's produce a Caramel?

What 2 bp's produce a Albino?

I could go on forever. Feel free to contribute.

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Het Piebalds, Het Caramels, Het Albinos. Or Homozygous to Het, or Homozygous to Homozygous.

So to cut through all of the long term stuff and go straight for the gold, you would want to buy a pair of 100% hets to produce what you want (or just buy what you want)?

Seems too easy. Ok i wanted to keep it a little bit of a secret but obviously I do not know enough about morphs to attempt this...perhaps someone will steal my idea and run with it. I think it'd be nice to create a chart with photographs of morphs, saying if you breed morph A with morph B, you'll get morph C. Is this chart possible? or are there too many possibilities?

What produced the first caramel? what produced the first cinnamon, hypo, lesser platinum, etc. etc.

Some morphs were found in the wild. Others I don't know... :confused:

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Originally Posted by nathanledet

So to cut through all of the long term stuff and go straight for the gold, you would want to buy a pair of 100% hets to produce what you want (or just buy what you want)?

Seems too easy. Ok i wanted to keep it a little bit of a secret but obviously I do not know enough about morphs to attempt this...perhaps someone will steal my idea and run with it. I think it'd be nice to create a chart with photographs of morphs, saying if you breed morph A with morph B, you'll get morph C. Is this chart possible? or are there too many possibilities?

What produced the first caramel? what produced the first cinnamon, hypo, lesser platinum, etc. etc.

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Most morphs came from the wild originally. Cinnamons, hypos, and caramels where imported. The lessers came from the platinum (which was an import).

Basically every morph came from the wild originally unless it is a designer combo like albino spiders, superstripes, pastel genetic stripes, snows, etc. So if it isn't a combination of 2 different morphs, it is pretty safe to assume it came from the wild originally.

Thank you that clears a lot of confusion up for me. I thought a majority of morphs were produced on purpose...or accident.

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Originally Posted by nathanledet

Thank you that clears a lot of confusion up for me. I thought a majority of morphs were produced on purpose...or accident.

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Nate,i was in the same confusion at one time when it came to ball pythons;) .Now i eat sleep and dream about ball pythons and all the fun stuff about them :P .With some hard work and luck i will be a vendor at the Daytona show someday:sweeet: .

well joe...any advice? See you in Daytona :)

how would u get het albinos in the wild:confused:im confused lol

Not het albinos, ALBINOS. Some would be het albinos since the albinos would breed with the normals, thus, making het albinos.

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well joe...any advice? See you in Daytona :)

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Well figure out what ball python morphs you really want.Either buy them or breed the ones you can afford now and either sell or trade these for the other morphs you want to have.Yea Daytona here we come (someday) :cool:

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Originally Posted by dom13

how would u get het albinos in the wild:confused:im confused lol

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ughhhhhh

if there were a wild albino..in the .. wild and it bred to a normal, some of the offspring would be het for albino. heterozygeus(sp?!) is basically a normal looking snake that carries the gene for some recessive trait.

ok then how did that albino get produced in the first place? hets right??? so to have an albino u need hets first so how do the hets get there is it just a chance?

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ok then how did that albino get produced in the first place? hets right???

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No. It was most likely just a simple random mutation.

-adam

ok thx i was realy confuesd about that

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Thank you that clears a lot of confusion up for me. I thought a majority of morphs were produced on purpose...or accident.

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Nate the ones that you listed are, I believe, all a result of an animal being found in Africa and then proven out as recessives in captivity.

I think your confusion comes from the designer morphs, like the bumble bee (from a pastel/spider pairing).

Ralph has a really good matrix that let's you see some of the proven, unproven and designer morphs here.

Awesome thanks Robin.