"breeding back" ok?

Is it generally OK to breed a BP back to its parent for morph-production purposes? I am just wondering, since my plans include keeping an eventual pastel female and breeding her back to the sire for super-pas plans..

I'm pretty sure that it will be fine, Im not 100% So you might want to get a few other opinions But im pretty sure it wont hurt anything!

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Originally Posted by Ginevive

Is it generally OK to breed a BP back to its parent for morph-production purposes? I am just wondering, since my plans include keeping an eventual pastel female and breeding her back to the sire for super-pas plans..

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They should be ok. I have heard that they can get defective if you keep doing it over and over and over and over again.

yes. a lot of breeders do it, espescially to keep a certain pattern or color trait.

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Originally Posted by Ginevive

Is it generally OK to breed a BP back to its parent for morph-production purposes? I am just wondering, since my plans include keeping an eventual pastel female and breeding her back to the sire for super-pas plans..

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Yes 100%.That is how many of the first morphs were reproduced in there beggining.:cool:

I figured it was OK :) That's a relief to me, since I want Super Pastels someday!!

:3 same here. we have the same goal pretty much- you're waiting on your pastel male, and me my female. woot.

you can also trade with other breeders you know.



vaughn

Ive read,it is ok for 2 or three generations,but after that that the ill efects come in and weaker animals are produced.seems to be more of a problem with resesive genetics than with codoms.

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Originally Posted by mike9452

Ive read,it is ok for 2 or three generations,but after that that the ill efects come in and weaker animals are produced.seems to be more of a problem with resesive genetics than with codoms.

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OK,where did you get this info from? Not saying i do not beleive you ,its just i never heard or read this anywhere.Its nice to get all the info since i have a pair of 100% het albino balls that as soon as i produce a male albino dad is out of here:P .

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Originally Posted by joepythons

OK,where did you get this info from? Not saying i do not beleive you ,its just i never heard or read this anywhere.Its nice to get all the info since i have a pair of 100% het albino balls that as soon as i produce a male albino dad is out of here:P .

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Ok well I had to sit down and think about this.I now remember whare i read this.It was in the bearded dragon manual.I have lent it out so I do not have a page reference for you.
I know it is verry comon to breed offspring back to parents.I myself whould not go more than 3 generations without adding new blood.As for breeding siblings well I do plan to breed my het.albinos witch have the same father.I have heard of people breeding direct siblings togeather with no ill efects,but I myself whould not do it if the parents are related(father,daughter etc.).I'm sure everone well have there own opion on this matter
Hope this helped

I figure, to get new blood, I could sell the related male and buy a new male; if it's the same morph, I guess you would basically be "trading" yours for new blood, in a roundabout way, by doing this..

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Originally Posted by mike9452

Ok well I had to sit down and think about this.I now remember whare i read this.It was in the bearded dragon manual.I have lent it out so I do not have a page reference for you.
I know it is verry comon to breed offspring back to parents.I myself whould not go more than 3 generations without adding new blood.As for breeding siblings well I do plan to breed my het.albinos witch have the same father.I have heard of people breeding direct siblings togeather with no ill efects,but I myself whould not do it if the parents are related(father,daughter etc.).I'm sure everone well have there own opion on this matter
Hope this helped

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See the key words in your post is Bearded Dragon Book.Lizards and snakes are totaly differant when it comes to Genetics and the such.Please do not think i am being rude here as i am not.And as far as breeding the fathers back to the babies(or mom) this is how the majority of the morphs first started out.

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Originally Posted by Ginevive

I figure, to get new blood, I could sell the related male and buy a new male; if it's the same morph, I guess you would basically be "trading" yours for new blood, in a roundabout way, by doing this..

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Yea thats exactly what i will be doing after i produce a couple years of the Pastels.

If you realy think about it,genetics from animal to animal can't be that differnt its genetics Inbreeding is done to prove out morphs,or to strenthin a certian carectoristic(size,colour etc)But if it had no ill efects why whould breeders addvertise unrelated pairs.If in breeding has ill efects in horses,dogs,beardies and pritty much anything else.Than why is it ok for snakes?(I am talking about multiple generations)
Joe you did not come off as rude.And I hope i didn't either.I was not refering to breeding parent to offspring.but more off a multiple generation thing.

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Originally Posted by joepythons

See the key words in your post is Bearded Dragon Book.Lizards and snakes are totaly differant when it comes to Genetics and the such.Please do not think i am being rude here as i am not.And as far as breeding the fathers back to the babies(or mom) this is how the majority of the morphs first started out.

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Originally Posted by mike9452

If you realy think about it,genetics from animal to animal can't be that differnt its genetics Inbreeding is done to prove out morphs,or to strenthin a certian carectoristic(size,colour etc)But if it had no ill efects why whould breeders addvertise unrelated pairs.If in breeding has ill efects in horses,dogs,beardies and pritty much anything else.Than why is it ok for snakes?(I am talking about multiple generations)
Joe you did not come off as rude.And I hope i didn't either.I was not refering to breeding parent to offspring.but more off a multiple generation thing.

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I think that some post that they can get pairs unrelated is that it bothers some to inbreed.My female het albino is from one breeder and my het male is from a buddy of mine.Both are 100% albinos though.I did not think you were being rude at all ,i just wanted to make sure i did not seem rude.:D

This thread answered one question for me, and then brought up another one. What about breeding from the same clutch? What kind of results did this produce?

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Originally Posted by nathanledet

This thread answered one question for me, and then brought up another one. What about breeding from the same clutch? What kind of results did this produce?

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From what i have been told by several breeders is that they do not ever see any genetic defaults from breeding clutch mates to each other.In the beggining they had to breed brother to sister or mom to sons or vice-versa to produce there breeding stocks.The only snake that MIGHT(not proven) to have any bad affects is the spiders and the spinning some do.Although it may not even be thru genetics that this is caused from as for now noone has any proof.Did this answer your question?

I think so...but just to make sure

breeding brother and sis..yeh or neh?

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Originally Posted by nathanledet

I think so...but just to make sure

breeding brother and sis..yeh or neh?

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I would :sweeet:

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Originally Posted by mike9452

If you realy think about it,genetics from animal to animal can't be that differnt its genetics

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I'm not going into the genetics of this or that, or the possibility of lizard genes being weaker or stronger than snake genes, but we need to keep in mind that Bearded Dragons are already heavy inbred because we can't get fresh blood from the wild, unlike ball pythons which imported by the truck load every year.

Rick

Dam good point!I never put that into the factor.:gj:

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Originally Posted by SiscoReptiles

I'm not going into the genetics of this or that, or the possibility of lizard genes being weaker or stronger than snake genes, but we need to keep in mind that Bearded Dragons are already heavy inbred because we can't get fresh blood from the wild, unlike ball pythons which imported by the truck load every year.

Rick

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