I hate cats

Rescued this whip tail off the neighbors cat a few days ago, then noticed another one of his 10 cats had killed another whiptail today.... I hate cats that allowed to run loose!

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As sad as it might be its in there instinct.Its not the cats fault.

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Originally Posted by joepythons

As sad as it might be its in there instinct.Its not the cats fault.

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Not much you can do about irrisponisble ownership and still maintain good relations with your neighbor!

Just one of the pitfalls of bringing pets like these into the country.

There is nothing wrong with a cat killing a wild animal. It is called instinct. Cats are not purely indoor animals, some are, and others arent. Maybe 10 cats is excessive for your neighbor, but coming onto the forums and making a statement about hating cats because of their very nature is extremely narrowminded and ignorant.

Some animals are carnivores, and that involves killing other animals for food. Lizards may not be the primary food for cats, but neither are flies and I've seen some eat those before :).

If you bring more information to bear on the situation I may rescind my comment, but unless the cat is harming your property in some way, I don't see how your neighbor is being irresponsible. A cat walking across your property isn't hurting anything, but if it is peeing or pooping or killing your pets or harrassing your dog or something, I can see it becoming an issue.

do like I do. I have dogs that come in my carport. I got a paintball gun the shots 13 rounds a second. You don't even have to hit them the paint splatters and they get painted. I had a guy come down yesterday and ask if I shot his dog with a paint ball gun. I was like well there was a free roaming dog in my carport that like to growl at me and I shot it with a pint ball gun. He was like thats my dog and I'd thank you not to do that again. I said not a problem. If I found it back in my carport I would close the door and call animal control and claim it bit me. That really ticked him off.. LOL

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

do like I do. I have dogs that come in my carport. I got a paintball gun the shots 13 rounds a second. You don't even have to hit them the paint splatters and they get painted. I had a guy come down yesterday and ask if I shot his dog with a paint ball gun. I was like well there was a free roaming dog in my carport that like to growl at me and I shot it with a pint ball gun. He was like thats my dog and I'd thank you not to do that again. I said not a problem. If I found it back in my carport I would close the door and call animal control and claim it bit me. That really ticked him off.. LOL

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That's a good idea.... I'd like to do the same, but prefer to keep good relations with the neighbor. Even when the cats are in my yard, hunting animals and the usual things cats do in other people's yard. None of these cats are licensed in anyway. And I doubt he could afford the cost. At least he has found homes for 2 of them!

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Originally Posted by SnakeySnakeSnake

There is nothing wrong with a cat killing a wild animal.

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what if the cat is in brazil and its killing endangered species of primate?

i agree that a cat catching a whiptail every now and then isnt THAT bad but theres a place where you have to draw the line with domestic animals like that.;)

Well, there is some good news... I'm trying to find a home for some of these cats. He has asked me... just a few moments ago if I knew of anyone looking for a cat because he has too many!

And no, I've never been a fan of cats killing native wildlife... Brazil or right here in my yard!

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Originally Posted by mr~python

what if the cat is in brazil and its killing endangered species of primate?

i agree that a cat catching a whiptail every now and then isnt THAT bad but theres a place where you have to draw the line with domestic animals like that.;)

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Well if the primate can't defend itself sufficiently, then I call that nature. If the cat was introduced into an ecosystem that couldn't handle it, that would be one thing, but there are bigger versions of cats in most of the US from what I understand.

I'll proudly say that I have taken out plenty of feral cats with my high power pellet rifle when they mess with the dogs. Cats are ok but being left outside for hours at a time and running around the streets, I have no sympathy when I see one that got ran over. Any cat that can mess with my dogs, is fair game. I can sufficiently defend my dogs correct? Yes. If there was a dog out trying to attack or even bother my dogs when they are fenced in the yard, I would do the same thing. Shoot it. Chances are 1 shot and it won't be coming back around.

Man you guys have some issues.... shooting a dog with a paintball gun because his owner left him off a leash.... shooting supposedly feral cats with a pellet gun is cruel and unusual, at least use a weapon that will get the job done if you have to put an animal down.

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Originally Posted by SnakeySnakeSnake

Well if the primate can't defend itself sufficiently, then I call that nature. If the cat was introduced into an ecosystem that couldn't handle it, that would be one thing, but there are bigger versions of cats in most of the US from what I understand.

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no ecosystem is supposed to handle anything alien to it. a feral cat killing a primate is NOT nature. nature would be an occelot or a jaguar killing and EATING the primate. most of the time the cat doesnt even eat what its killed.

yes, there are larger species in most of the united states, but none that eat little whiptails, for example.

Add to the list if you like, but I think cats, humans and praying mantis are the only animals, maybe killer wales that kill for the sport or fun of it!

Wow.. here's my opinion. I do not hate dogs or cate that run free; I hate their irresponsible, lowlife owners that let them do so. I know that responsible owners' animals get out from time to time accidentally, but this is not what I am talking about.
As for shooting animals w/paintball guns, I will shut my mouth now about it or risk violating TOS.

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Originally Posted by Pork Chops N' Corn Bread

I'll proudly say that I have taken out plenty of feral cats with my high power pellet rifle when they mess with the dogs. Cats are ok but being left outside for hours at a time and running around the streets, I have no sympathy when I see one that got ran over. Any cat that can mess with my dogs, is fair game. I can sufficiently defend my dogs correct? Yes. If there was a dog out trying to attack or even bother my dogs when they are fenced in the yard, I would do the same thing. Shoot it. Chances are 1 shot and it won't be coming back around.

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Do you relize that by you making this statement on a public forum someone could turn you in?You can be arrested for cruelty to animals and be prosecuted and get jail time! It does not matter even though you are a juvy you would just go to a juvy jail.I am very shocked that you even wrote this here.

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Originally Posted by SnakeySnakeSnake

Man you guys have some issues.... shooting a dog with a paintball gun because his owner left him off a leash....

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Well here we have a leash law. Any animal not in a fenced yard must be on a leash and under the control of it owner or it is considered stray. And if it was in my yard that would be different. But its in my carport and aggressive toward me and Carrie. And I ain't having that crap. POP POP.. Send a dog home painted neon yellow and pink and the owner get the idea. My brother use to catch cats that had collars and shave them and then send them home.. now that was funny. :banana:

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Do you relize that by you making this statement on a public forum someone could turn you in?You can be arrested for cruelty to animals and be prosecuted and get jail time! It does not matter even though you are a juvy you would just go to a juvy jail.I am very shocked that you even wrote this here.

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This is very true. An earlier post said that they shoot at dogs in their carport with a paintball gun. I don't know if you guys realize it, but people do jail time for things like this. All that owner has to do is call the police and charge you with animal cruelty. The best thing you can do in situations like that is first notify the owner that their dog was in your property and warn them that you will call animal control if they continue to let their dog roam. You should never take things into your own hands. That could land you in jail.

theyre just cats...its not they're fault if they kill something, its just instinct.

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Originally Posted by brainman1000

This is very true. An earlier post said that they shoot at dogs in their carport with a paintball gun. I don't know if you guys realize it, but people do jail time for things like this. All that owner has to do is call the police and charge you with animal cruelty. The best thing you can do in situations like that is first notify the owner that their dog was in your property and warn them that you will call animal control if they continue to let their dog roam. You should never take things into your own hands. That could land you in jail.

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I think they would have a very hard time proving animal cruelty because it has paint on it...LOL

And whether or not someone does Jail time depends on the states laws that they live in. I think the whole going to jail line is a little bit of over kill from a paintball gun!

If a dog is in someones carport area and they need to get in their car for work, appointment... funeral, wedding, donut sale, take kids to school or whatever....They shouldn't have to wait around for animal control to come deal with it. Some cities don't even have an animal control and rely on the nearest city unit to deal with their problems.... which often means...2hrs later they show up when the dog is no where to be seen. So I don't have a prob with someone dealing with it on their own provided it is isn't cruel. Although, I'm never surprised at how people seem to think they can tell someone how to deal with it....lol

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Originally Posted by brainman1000

This is very true. An earlier post said that they shoot at dogs in their carport with a paintball gun. I don't know if you guys realize it, but people do jail time for things like this. All that owner has to do is call the police and charge you with animal cruelty. The best thing you can do in situations like that is first notify the owner that their dog was in your property and warn them that you will call animal control if they continue to let their dog roam. You should never take things into your own hands. That could land you in jail.

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In my town we have a "mean" dog law due to the illegal dog fights and the like. I do not live in the city limits I live in the county. If you are charged, challenged or other wise intimendated by a stray dog on your property. You have the legal right (to after giving fair warning to the owner and trying to deture the dog) to use what ever force you deme needed to keep you and your family safe. I am doing the guy a favor by using paint balls. I never shoot the dog I hit the ground around it. Only sometimes this works sometime I have to get the hose. When I have kids if the dog charges them and runs at them barking and threatening them I'll quit with the paintballs and move to my .45. I will not see my kids or wife hurt or scared to go in their own front yard cause some :cens0r: :cens0r: doesn't want to put up a fenct or use a leash. The dog is currently a danger to me and me only I can deal with that with the hose and paint balls. It barks, grawls, or charges my two year old or my wife and the dog will disapear. If it bites me or any one on my properity I am responsable not the dog owner ( all they have to do is say "no I don't have a dog").

Please no one misunderstand. This isn't like hey theres a dog shoot it. Its one dog that is in my enclosed carport backing me into a corner and charging us in our yard. It is a danger to my and my familys safety. Thats all. By law I could have kill it the first time but I believe that the owner should be held accountable. I have never hurt the dog. The paint ball gun is to scare it at a distance, just like the hose. I hope no one give me a bad rep for this but I have the right to protect my family..

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Do you relize that by you making this statement on a public forum someone could turn you in?You can be arrested for cruelty to animals and be prosecuted and get jail time! It does not matter even though you are a juvy you would just go to a juvy jail.I am very shocked that you even wrote this here.

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It would be different if I was in the city still. You can kill animals that pester your animals or yourself. Just wanted to say my reasoning

It may sound unusual, but here in Oregon ferrel cats are listed as a unprotected varmint with Oregon Fish and Game. No bag limit, no closed season. I bring this up only because every state is different. I personally like cats.

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Originally Posted by mr~python

no ecosystem is supposed to handle anything alien to it.

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Oh yea....says who?

True new, exotic species are introduced into new envirnoments at a greater pace today due to world commerce....but migration of alien species to new habits is far from just a man-made phenomenon.

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Originally Posted by Mendel's Balls

Oh yea....says who?

True new, exotic species are introduced into new envirnoments at a greater pace today due to world commerce....but migration of alien species to new habits is far from just a man-made phenomenon.

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Natural migration is...Natural.... was not his point. The point was that Introduced scurges like cats, dogs, rats etc are incredibly destructive to native wildlife.

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Originally Posted by Sputnik

Natural migration is...Natural.... was not his point. The point was that Introduced scurges like cats, dogs, rats etc are incredibly destructive to native wildlife.

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So are agricultural animals like pigs.....they damage much more wildlife than any pet cat.....

http://www.nyas.org/publications/upd...sp?updateID=58

Habit destruction is also a far greater threat to wildlife/forestry, etc. Has any pet cat has ever been shown to cause the extinction of a species? May I am wrong but I doubt it. Now Habit Destruction? It certainly has.....

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Originally Posted by Mendel's Balls

So are agricultural animals like pigs.....they damage much more wildlife than any pet cat.....

http://www.nyas.org/publications/upd...sp?updateID=58

Habit destruction is also a far greater threat to wildlife/forestry, etc. Has any pet cat has ever been shown to cause the extinction of a species? May I am wrong but I doubt it. Now Habit Destruction? It certainly has.....

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Notice I said "etc"... leaves room for pigs and even people.... LOL

Cats along with all these other factors you mentioned contribute to wildlife destruction. But I wouldn't single out cats as the lone problem! And I would use the term pet cat rather loosely. A cat is a cat!

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Please no one misunderstand. This isn't like hey theres a dog shoot it. Its one dog that is in my enclosed carport backing me into a corner and charging us in our yard. It is a danger to my and my familys safety. Thats all. By law I could have kill it the first time but I believe that the owner should be held accountable. I have never hurt the dog. The paint ball gun is to scare it at a distance, just like the hose. I hope no one give me a bad rep for this but I have the right to protect my family..

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OK; if you're saying that you were protecting yourself, then I definately agree; I would have shot too. I don't believe in killing/maiming things, but if it is in self defense, all systems go.

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Originally Posted by Ginevive

OK; if you're saying that you were protecting yourself, then I definately agree; I would have shot too. I don't believe in killing/maiming things, but if it is in self defense, all systems go.

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Thanks; that is 100% my reasoning behind my actions.

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Originally Posted by Sputnik

Notice I said "etc"... leaves room for pigs and even people.... LOL

Cats along with all these other factors you mentioned contribute to wildlife destruction. But I wouldn't single out cats as the lone problem! And I would use the term pet cat rather loosely. A cat is a cat!

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My point was you have to prioritize things......cats even if they have been shown to cause the extinction of one species.......it not like habit destruction.....Habit destruction causes mass destruction of ecological/wildlife resources.....Your feelings towards cats cant be really reinforced by science.

Since the dawn of civilization...a variety of human activities cause extinction or hurt wildlife.....Society determines where the line is.....but some technogly/human economic activity will always "harm" natural ecosystems. Domesticated animals like the cat are the least of our ecological problems.

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I was also challeging mr. python's assumption about "natural" being so much different, pristine, peaceful, or balanced without humankind.

"Natural" diasters cause a lot of animal deaths, species extinction. Sometimes they wipe out whole island chains or geological formations.

Check out this excerpt from a good intro ecology text.

http://www.ball-pythons.net/gallery/...ure_276865.jpg

Cats are only domesticated when inside the house, when outside they become a predator, hunting etc. They prey on a range of animals/species.... and they can do it night or day. They can do plenty of damage to local wildlife as I have seen in my street and yard. I have picked up enough dead lizards in my street this year... they are being killed by cats (As I have watched) for the sport, not for food!

I'm not seeing as many lizards in our area as last year, which is sad.

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Originally Posted by Sputnik

Cats are only domesticated when inside the house, when outside they become a predator, hunting etc. They prey on a range of animals/species.... and they can do it night or day. They can do plenty of damage to local wildlife as I have seen in my street and yard. I have picked up enough dead lizards in my street this year... they are being killed by cats (As I have watched) for the sport, not for food!

I'm not seeing as many lizards in our area as last year, which is sad.

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A domesticated animal is a domesticated animal whether inside or outside....like you siad before a cat is a cat

A domesticated animal can be a predator or just an instictual killer. This may be due to how they were breed/domesticated.

From Wikipedia

"Relative to size, domestic cats are very effective predators. They ambush and dispatch vertebrate prey using tactics similar to those of leopards and tigers by pouncing; they then deliver a lethal neck bite with their long canine teeth that severs the victim's spinal cord, or asphyxiate it by crushing the windpipe. The domestic cat can hunt and eat about one thousand species—many big cats will eat fewer than 100. Although, theoretically, big cats can kill most of these species as well, they often do not due to the relatively low nutritional content that smaller animals provide for the effort. An exception is the leopard, which commonly hunts rabbits and many other smaller animals.

Even well-fed domestic cats will hunt and kill birds, mice, rats and other small animals in the vicinity. They often present such trophies to their owner. The motivation is not entirely clear, but friendly bonding behaviors are often associated with such an action. It is probable that cats in this situation expect to be praised for their symbolic contribution to the group. Some theorize that cats see their owners gone for long times of the day and assume they are out hunting, as they always have plenty of food available. It is thought that a cat presenting its owner with a dead animal thinks it's 'helping out' by bringing home the kill.[citation needed]

Due to their hunting behaviour, in many countries feral cats are considered pests. Domestic cats are occasionally also required to have contained cat runs or to be kept inside entirely, as they can be hazardous to locally endangered bird species. For instance, various municipalities in Australia have enacted such legislation. In some localities, owners fit their cat with a bell in order to warn prey of its approach. Sometimes, the bell has the unwanted effect of "training" the cat to be an even stealthier killer.[citation needed]"

You may be interested in these remarks....

"Cats can be destructive to ecosystems in which they are not native and whose species have not had time to adapt to their introduction. In some cases, cats have contributed to or caused extinctions -— for example, see the case of the Stephens Island Wren."

Again I do not see this as a major envirnomental problem however...only in certain instances can cats be considered pests. Also it is quite possible that in some cases a cat could act as a keystone predator.

It's all about wildlife management--studying the species/ecosystem interactions systematically....has your state dept of agriculture/forestry deemed stray cats as a big pest problem in your area? Maybe they arent on top of things but your anecdotal experiences arent enough to convince me that cats are a pest problem in your area.

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Originally Posted by Mendel's Balls

It's all about wildlife management--studying the species/ecosystem interactions systematically....has your state dept of agriculture/forestry deemed stray cats as a big pest problem in your area? Maybe they arent on top of things but your ancedotal experiences arent enough to convince me that cats are a pest problem in your area.

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Who said they are stray?

In our section of street, there are 21 cats None of them are stray ..... our section has 10 houses in it, that is the total for both sides of the street.

Of course, you don't live in my area, so whether you think they are a problem or not isn't relevant. You can research points, stats all you want, they are generalized and bare no relection on localized situations.

Of course, the over looked point is local wildlife has suffered in my street needlessly. Which I think is sad.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Thanks; that is 100% my reasoning behind my actions.

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You couldnt have called animal services instead of taking things into your own hands? If you had time to go grab a paintball gun, it is obvious you werent in immediate danger.

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Originally Posted by SnakeySnakeSnake

You couldnt have called animal services instead of taking things into your own hands? If you had time to go grab a paintball gun, it is obvious you werent in immediate danger.

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If animal services are anything like around here, you wouldn't want to have to wait all day.

You say you hate cats because they their instinct to kill lizards, How would you feel if a rat or rabbit breeder said they hated snaked because one ate there rat/rabbit! It's all instinct the animal is going to eat what it needs to eat to survive!

i hate snakes.

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Originally Posted by Sputnik

Cats are only domesticated when inside the house, when outside they become a predator, hunting etc. They prey on a range of animals/species.... and they can do it night or day. They can do plenty of damage to local wildlife as I have seen in my street and yard. I have picked up enough dead lizards in my street this year... they are being killed by cats (As I have watched) for the sport, not for food!

I'm not seeing as many lizards in our area as last year, which is sad.

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Ok, so now you have Genocidal cats in your neighborhood?!

My cats have gotten loose, one snuck out the door behind me and off the side of the porch... I have rats... my cats are 100% non agressive towards any rodents I have, they will just sniff them and walk away. If a cat accidentally gets out, and someone shot it claiming it was feral, saying that all loose cats kill rats (something I might believe before these cats), then they would be wrong.

Irregardless, you are claiming these cats are killed for sport, how can you claim to know why they kill them by instinct, maybe it is a built in defense mechanism to kill small lizards that could grow up to be dangerous to them.... probably not but that is my point, we dont know.... as I said before hating an animal because they are an animal is kinda ignorant...

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Originally Posted by Sputnik

If animal services are anything like around here, you wouldn't want to have to wait all day.

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I also wouldnt want to shoot up a dog that might walk away in 5 mins anyway....

Animal cruelty is animal cruelty, if a dog ran at me and my wife and was growling i would tell her to run back to the house and try to distract the dog and keep anything from happening..

If the dog was standing near our cars, I would grab some meat and try to get him to leave so we could get in, not go get a paintball gun and ligiht him up.

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Originally Posted by Byte

You say you hate cats because they their instinct to kill lizards, How would you feel if a rat or rabbit breeder said they hated snaked because one ate there rat/rabbit! It's all instinct the animal is going to eat what it needs to eat to survive!

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Then why are there dead lizards laying around the street, foot paths etc. Doesn't seem like they needed them to survive if they were not eaten. What I hate seeing is a lot of cats in a small area.... you know, 10 from one house. Breeding each year. None are fixed.... aloud to run loose, in my yard etc!

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Originally Posted by SnakeySnakeSnake

I also wouldnt want to shoot up a dog that might walk away in 5 mins anyway....

Animal cruelty is animal cruelty, if a dog ran at me and my wife and was growling i would tell her to run back to the house and try to distract the dog and keep anything from happening..

If the dog was standing near our cars, I would grab some meat and try to get him to leave so we could get in, not go get a paintball gun and ligiht him up.

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LMAO.... that is hilarious!!


Unrealistic as it can possibly get.... but hilarious, thanks for the laugh, that lightens the mood! :) :sweeet:

if it jumps on you just beat it down.

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LMAO.... that is hilarious!!


Unrealistic as it can possibly get.... but hilarious, thanks for the laugh, that lightens the mood! :) :sweeet:

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I suppose the realistic thing is to injure or attack the dog in some way. Real cool :colbert:

If you took the time to re-read the earlier post, the dog was not attacking them, and he had time to get a paintball gun, I doubt he had it holstered and whipped it out and backed away covering their escape lol.

You can try to lighten the mood by belittling my non violent approach to dealing with loose animals, but I really find it disgusting what some people have posted in this thread. Im not going to let a dog attack me if I can defend myself, but I dont think it is right to go out of the way to paintball one either... I mean let's face it, this super dangerous dog was turned away by a paintball gun, sure they hurt and can break the skin at close distance, but if it was a wild dog wouldnt that just make it more likely to attack?

Whatever, you guys keep digging the hole, Im done listening to this stuff. I think Gin had the right idea in the first place.

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Originally Posted by SnakeySnakeSnake

I suppose the realistic thing is to injure or attack the dog in some way. Real cool :colbert:

If you took the time to re-read the earlier post, the dog was not attacking them, and he had time to get a paintball gun, I doubt he had it holstered and whipped it out and backed away covering their escape lol.

You can try to lighten the mood by belittling my non violent approach to dealing with loose animals, but I really find it disgusting what some people have posted in this thread. Im not going to let a dog attack me if I can defend myself, but I dont think it is right to go out of the way to paintball one either... I mean let's face it, this super dangerous dog was turned away by a paintball gun, sure they hurt and can break the skin at close distance, but if it was a wild dog wouldnt that just make it more likely to attack?

Whatever, you guys keep digging the hole, Im done listening to this stuff. I think Gin had the right idea in the first place.

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If you read his posts, he never hits the dog.... hmmmmmmmmmm, just places the shots near enough to mark it with splatter..... hmmmmmmmmmmm. You didn't read that did you?


I just wanna see how your not going to let a dog attack you if you can defend yourself. How does that work? You won't let?

I hope the dog doesn't decide to make its own mind up on that..... but that would be time to whip out the T-bone I guess :)

Or I just read it wrong.

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Originally Posted by SnakeySnakeSnake

You couldnt have called animal services instead of taking things into your own hands? If you had time to go grab a paintball gun, it is obvious you werent in immediate danger.

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We don't have a local Animal control where I am hince the dog fighting.

See your thinking about this to the tune of poor poor pittyfull dog. But I would bet my next years salery to say that your tune would change on the ride to the ER to have your kids face stitched back on or in the ambliance while your wife fites for her life cause a 90lb dog knocked her down and got to her throat. I can protect my family far quicker than the ASPCA of animal control.

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Originally Posted by Sputnik

Who said they are stray?

In our section of street, there are 21 cats None of them are stray ..... our section has 10 houses in it, that is the total for both sides of the street.

Of course, you don't live in my area, so whether you think they are a problem or not isn't relevant. You can research points, stats all you want, they are generalized and bare no relection on localized situations.

Of course, the over looked point is local wildlife has suffered in my street needlessly. Which I think is sad.

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Your right...the truth of the stituation is hard to get at......but that's what systematic scienitific studies uncover. Just because you've seen less doesnt mean that any lizards are endangered, and just because you seen some cats kill some doesnt make them the responsible culprit in your area.

It could be a problem......but it just speculation. And there are there
better ways to deal with it if it is a problem than paint gun vigilantism or capturing and shaving a cat.....that's not going to help with any pest problem. I think that these "funny" solutions are very juvenille, uncreative, and un-Mr Rogers like...I dont think a neighbor is going to like you spattering his cat with paint even if it on your property.

Hunting could help.....but most people arent going to accept that unless it is shown pretty conclusively that cats are a pest in your county, state, etc. or unless there are laws in place like those in Oregon. "Hunting" with a pait ball gun isnt going to put an animal down its just going to inflict unecessary pain.

I assumed they were stray since you stated you were trying to find homes for them.

Alomst any species can become a pest....
Other threads on this forum have claimed that balls are considered pests in parts of Africa.......luckily importion of these animals is pretty win-win in most instances.......in most parts of the US bps will not established themselves as an exotic species pest and Africans can help put food on their table and avoid things similiar to "rattlesnake round-ups"? Would u like to see Africans shotting ball pythons with paint balls? How does this help anyone? Arent their better solutions? I realize you werent the one that brough up some of these actions up, but you did seem ok with it. If you dont like one in your yard how about just running at it and scaring it away.......

My view is our species is number one in my book. (and I think a lot of people books they just dont want to admit it.) However, we have to be respectful...if it isnt to feed people, help biodiversity, generate knowledge /therapies/medicines through biological/biomedical research than why inflicit unecessary pain or death on any animal?

I just didnt like the general tone of the discussion and I think you contributed to that by starting a thread titled "I hate cats"......I dont really see how you can hate a vetebrate...."I hate malaria" that makes some sense to me....

Although cats hurt some species, I think your overlooking the joy this animal brings to a lot of people.

I think you would have more people listen to valid points of your message if you had titled your thread something like....."Could cats in my area be hurting local reptile species?" I dont think any of this uneccessary vigilantism talk would have come up.

Just a suggestion.....I realize that sometime we make up threads on the net and there is no tone in our voice.....you may have been joking with the title. But you have to consider this when titling a thread. Different modes of communication require different language, etc. (Hey I've made this mistake as well..I think most of us on here at some point do to some degree)

What about Ultrasonic dog replents? They are tiny enought that one can carry it around in their pockets and it does a good job of keeping surly dogs away from you without hurting the animal. No need to carry a paintball gun or a T-bone around with you. :2cent:

if the dog is enraged will it still work?

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Originally Posted by Mendel's Balls

Your right...the truth of the stituation is hard to get at......but that's what systematic scienitific studies uncover. Just because you've seen less doesnt mean that any lizards are endangered, and just because you seen some cats kill some doesnt make them the responsible culprit in your area.

It could be a problem......but it just speculation. And there are there
better ways to deal with it if it is a problem than paint gun vigilantism or capturing and shaving a cat.....that's not going to help with any pest problem. I think that these "funny" solutions are very juvenille, uncreative, and un-Mr Rogers like...I dont think a neighbor is going to like you spattering his cat with paint even if it on your property.

Hunting could help.....but most people arent going to accept that unless it is shown pretty conclusively that cats are a pest in your county, state, etc. or unless there are laws in place like those in Oregon. "Hunting" with a pait ball gun isnt going to put an animal down its just going to inflict unecessary pain.

I assumed they were stray since you stated you were trying to find homes for them.

Alomst any species can become a pest....
Other threads on this forum have claimed that balls are considered pests in parts of Africa.......luckily importion of these animals is pretty win-win in most instances.......in most parts of the US bps will not established themselves as an exotic species pest and Africans can help put food on their table and avoid things similiar to "rattlesnake round-ups"? Would u like to see Africans shotting ball pythons with paint balls? How does this help anyone? Arent their better solutions? I realize you werent the one that brough up some of these actions up, but you did seem ok with it. If you dont like one in your yard how about just running at it and scaring it away.......

My view is our species is number one in my book. (and I think a lot of people books they just dont want to admit it.) However, we have to be respectful...if it isnt to feed people, help biodiversity, generate knowledge /therapies/medicines through biological/biomedical research than why inflicit unecessary pain or death on any animal?

I just didnt like the general tone of the discussion and I think you contributed to that by starting a thread titled "I hate cats"......I dont really see how you can hate a vetebrate...."I hate malaria" that makes some sense to me....

Although cats hurt some species, I think your overlooking the joy this animal brings to a lot of people.

I think you would have more people listen to valid points of your message if you had titled your thread something like....."Could cats in my area be hurting local reptile species?" I dont think any of this uneccessary vigilantism talk would have come up.

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Yup, the thread topic could of been way better. Trying to help the guy get some homes because they are breeding at his house....in his house I should say.

The topic does seem to of split into two issues, one about cats, another about dogs paint ball guns... issues of safety etc.

While I don't like the cats on my property, I won't shoot them. I have always returned the ones that don't mind being picked up.

Yes cats bring joy, we have one too! LOL

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if the dog is enraged will it still work?

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I am totally for self-defense.....protection of property...but some people take this a bit too far.

Self-defense and neighborhood eco-vigilantism are two different things however.