Mojave prices

Anyone else noticed how cheap they have now become?

Males and females at $1000 each....

Has anyone compared a leucistic from a Fireball with that of a Mojave? I know both of them aren't pure white, but I wonder which one is cleaner? Either way, the price difference still blows me away: Mojaves for $1,000 and Fires for $5-7,000? If I wanted black eyes that bad, I'd get some mini-contacts made. :P

I saw one sell on Reptile auctions for $800 last night and from the same seller a orange ghost pair for $850 would this be a "Jimmy" seller?

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Originally Posted by xdeus

Has anyone compared a leucistic from a Fireball with that of a Mojave? I know both of them aren't pure white, but I wonder which one is cleaner? Either way, the price difference still blows me away: Mojaves for $1,000 and Fires for $5-7,000? If I wanted black eyes that bad, I'd get some mini-contacts made. :P

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LMAO... I'm not a leucistic fan myself.... Before the MKR mess, Mojaves were $1,500 - $1,700

Gotta wonder what prices will be next year on a lot of things.

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Originally Posted by jessie_k_pythons

I saw one sell on Reptile auctions for $800 last night and from the same seller a orange ghost pair for $850 would this be a "Jimmy" seller?

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I wouldn't by anything off that site!

It's a well known haven for scammers!

That started the whole thread of "How Low?", MKR sold or claimed to have sold 50 Mojaves for $800 in a weeks time.

Based on that and other forum threads on the subject, it seems that some have taken offense to what MKR did and have made their opinions very public. Others saw it as a business decision, could not care less and scooped up a few Mojaves for $800 and Lessers for $2500.

I've seen some sellers come down in price from $1500 to $1200 to $1000 recently. While others have held out at $1100-$1700 and have not budged, whether they are selling in unknown. I even read one KS classified seller that wrote some nasty comments on their ad about the lower priced sellers.

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Originally Posted by ssscales

That started the whole thread of "How Low?", MKR sold or claimed to have sold 50 Mojaves for $800 in a weeks time.

Based on that and other forum threads on the subject, it seems that some have taken offense to what MKR did and have made their opinions very public. Others saw it as a business decision, could not care less and scooped up a few Mojaves for $800 and Lessers for $2500.

I've seen some sellers come down in price from $1500 to $1200 to $1000 recently. While others have held out at $1100-$1700 and have not budged, whether they are selling in unknown. I even read one KS classified seller that wrote some nasty comments on their ad about the lower priced sellers.

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I noticed that MKR is no longer on KS as a sponsor and heard that they may have been banned.

I doubt if they were in fact banned from KS that it was due to prices.
That's still pretty interesting.

Well I was in the market for a Mojave, but I'm thinking twice about it now. Next year prices will probably be well below $1000. Unless I incorporate a Mojave into a different morph project then producing Mojaves isn't as good an indea as I thought it was.


Makes for an unpredictable 12 months!

I just saw a Spider for $1000 on KS.
I think that's a new low for them, publicly at least.

I'm pretty sure we'll see Spiders and Mojaves consistently below the $1000 mark next year or if this keeps up... before October...LOL. I'm not much for Mojaves, but I definitely plan on picking up a Spider soon..maybe at Daytona!!;)

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Originally Posted by ssscales

I just saw a Spider for $1000 on KS.
I think that's a new low for them, publicly at least.

I'm pretty sure we'll see Spiders and Mojaves consistently below the $1000 mark next year or if this keeps up... before October...LOL. I'm not much for Mojaves, but I definitely plan on picking up a Spider soon..maybe at Daytona!!;)

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And how much of this is motivated by what MKR did?


A nice Mojave is hard to pass up.... so is a nice spider! I'm glad I'm not just into ball pythons!!

I saw a Spider listed on KS for under a grand several weeks ago...I think it was around $975??? This was long before the whole MKR debacle...

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Originally Posted by Sputnik

And how much of this is motivated by what MKR did?


A nice Mojave is hard to pass up.... so is a nice spider! I'm glad I'm not just into ball pythons!!

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I don't think it's fare to point the finger at any one breeder and blame them for the drop of any morph.

To be honest, I could care less if Spiders come down to $500 next year. I still think they are a beautiful morph that will come in handy when producing Bumble Bees, Killer Bees, Albino Spiders, etc, etc, etc.

Same as Pastels! I'm not concerned that they are already selling for $400 to as low as $250. I'm thinking Supers down the line, Bumble Bees, etc, etc.

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Originally Posted by sho220

I saw a Spider listed on KS for under a grand several weeks ago...I think it was around $975??? This was long before the whole MKR debacle...

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I must've missed that one. I know under the table they've been offered and sold for as low as $1000 for a few weeks now. But, I've never seen any publicly advertised below $1100 till now.

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Originally Posted by ssscales

I must've missed that one. I know under the table they've been offered and sold for as low as $1000 for a few weeks now. But, I've never seen any publicly advertised below $1100 till now.

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It was only one seller, and from what I remember it was only for one spider. Ad only lasted only a few days...

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Originally Posted by ssscales

I don't think it's fare to point the finger at any one breeder and blame them for the drop of any morph.

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I'm not turning this into a blame session, but seems coincidentail that a week ago they were $1,00 to $1,700 each and now boom.... a week passes and they drop $500 to $700 .... that's just nutz!

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Originally Posted by Sputnik

I'm not turning this into a blame session, but seems coincidentail that a week ago they were $1,00 to $1,700 each and now boom.... a week passes and they drop $500 to $700 .... that's just nutz!

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Its not nuts.....


ITS AWESOME!!! MOJAVES FOR EVERYONE!!!!!

lol, just joking. Why are low prices so bad though? If we buy from reputable breeders selling them at low prices, it would be a good thing.

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Originally Posted by Sputnik

I'm not turning this into a blame session, but seems coincidentail that a week ago they were $1,00 to $1,700 each and now boom.... a week passes and they drop $500 to $700 .... that's just nutz!

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If not them, it would've been someone else or 2-3 Jimmy's undercutting each other on some weekend sale. If not this month, it would've happened next month or the following one.

It's been a hell of a ride watching this on a month to month basis since January! I think what MKR did do, is show that anyone (not just the Jimmy's) can undercut prices and go low...way low! MKR didn't just go $50.00 lower from one day to the next to undercut a low price! Here you have a top level breeder/company dropping $500 to $800 in some cases lower than anyone on KS on Mojaves! That was harsh! And in the case of the Lessers you had THOUSANDS of dollars lower than anyone on KS, including the Jimmy's! OUCH!

Somehow I don't think Joe or Wes will be invited to any dinner parties at Daytona...:P

The funny thing I see about spiders is, they are sooooo easy to produce. I know in our area of 3 folks they have had them for a few months and have not sold one! They range from $900 - 1500. One guy I talked to this past week was hoping they would be the 'hot thing' down in Daytona, as he has about 15 of them and nothing else. He already sold-out of his normals.


The prices are bound to come down quick as there are to many out there and not enough buyers at those prices. I see this happen in the corn snake market every year around October, prices drop buy 20 - 50% on high end morphs so they don't have to feed them anymore.

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Originally Posted by ssscales

If not them, it would've been someone else or 2-3 Jimmy's undercutting each other on some weekend sale. If not this month, it would've happened next month or the following one.

It's been a hell of a ride watching this on a month to month basis since January! I think what MKR did do, is show that anyone (not just the Jimmy's) can undercut prices and go low...way low! MKR didn't just go $50.00 lower from one day to the next to undercut a low price! Here you have a top level breeder/company dropping $500 to $800 in some cases lower than anyone on KS on Mojaves! That was harsh! And in the case of the Lessers you had THOUSANDS of dollars lower than anyone on KS, including the Jimmy's! OUCH!

Somehow I don't think Joe or Wes will be invited to any dinner parties at Daytona...:P

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That is true and father's day is coming up, there is your next excuse for a price drop!

There has been a lot of debate on the investment potential of co-doms and doms. I think it's more than just that, though. Spiders have held their price relatively well for being doms because they make such cool combos and have been in demand for a while, but sooner or later they supply will catch up because they are relatively easy to produce. Mojaves and Lessers have plummeted for different reasons, though. (Not just MKR) There are a LOT of snakes out there that can produce white snakes, and I'm not just talking about Leucistics. I think Leucistics will probably be one of THE most sought after snakes that people want in their collection, but if so many snakes produce them they will easily meet demand.

Personally, I think Yellowbellies are one co-dom that is underpriced for what they can produce and cinnamons are also another co-dom that may hold its value because they can produce an all black snake and don't seem to be as abundant as the white-snake makers. Anyway, enough of my rambling. Just giving my :2cent:

[QUOTE=jbkd]The funny thing I see about spiders is, they are sooooo easy to produce. I know in our area of 3 folks they have had them for a few months and have not sold one! They range from $900 - 1500. One guy I talked to this past week was hoping they would be the 'hot thing' down in Daytona, as he has about 15 of them and nothing else. He already sold-out of his normals.
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I plan/hope to pick one up in Daytona for $800-$900.

I was chatting with this guy last week about Spiders. He bought his original Spider for $10,000 two yrs ago and was ready to kill himself as he watched prices drop to $5000 by the time he had eggs!! He produced 4 clutches consisting of 12 Spiders in all. He kept 2 males and 3 females and pocketed about $29,000 from the Spiders he sold! Needless to say, he stopped worrying about the market drop...:)

Who's MKR, can't think of who it is.

Morph king reptiles.

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Originally Posted by xdeus

Personally, I think Yellowbellies are one co-dom that is underpriced for what they can produce and cinnamons are also another co-dom that may hold its value because they can produce an all black snake and don't seem to be as abundant as the white-snake makers. Anyway, enough of my rambling. Just giving my :2cent:

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Are you talking about the super cinnamon? Which is a near black animal, not really black. I'd love to see a jet black ball with a white belly..... that would cool!

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Originally Posted by bpkid

Why are low prices so bad though? If we buy from reputable breeders selling them at low prices, it would be a good thing.

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Low prices are a great way to get more people (ie customers$$$) interested in the Ball Python hobby. More people (ie customers$$$) equals more sales. More sales equals more $$$. The price drops everyone is flipping out about are only going to hurt those who were so naive they thought they could get rich doing this...Reality has a knack for *&#$% slapping the clueless...

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Originally Posted by sho220

Low prices are a great way to get more people (ie customers$$$) interested in the Ball Python hobby. More people (ie customers$$$) equals more sales. More sales equals more $$$. The price drops everyone is flipping out about are only going to hurt those who were so naive they thought they could get rich doing this...Reality has a knack for *&#$% slapping the clueless...

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Or, Low prices means that other people(sellers) are going to drop theirs(prices) down in fear that no one will buy the animals they've invested in(because they're going to the person with the lowest prices). Its not actually people freaking out because they were 'naive' and thought they could get 'rich' its people upset that others could flounder an investment over stupid business practices. That's what gets some people upset that others are under cutting them which is poor business and correct me if im wrong- illegal in some forms of practice.

Let's look at this another way...I've seen on various message boards these animals MKR sold as being labled "malnourished", "sickly", and "sterile". So what they actually did was screw a bunch of people by selling them overpriced animals. Those bastards!!!

What would everyone think if Pete Khal or RD or NERD priced their Pieds for $2500 next year?

Would we still see this anger/panic from the BP community?
Would everyone call them scammers all of a sudden?
Would the BP community accuse them of dumping or praise them?
Would the public bash and ban them or rush to buy a few Pieds for $2500?
Would it be perceived as a good thing or bad?

Just curious...

Co-doms are easy to produce and anyone with a few normal females and half a brain can create a ready supply of them for the market. Naturally, you'd expect prices to fall faster than recessives.

I look at it like this: there's some awesome co-dom and co-dom/recessive combos out there and I think that co-doms morphs like pastel, spider, yb, mojave, etc, are going to be priced at points similar to and essentially behave like recessive hets in the market, since they are necessary ingredients to producing another, desired morph. For example, you want an albino, you at very least need two het albino animals. You want a bumblebee, you need at very least a pastel and a spider. Make sense? Hets for some recessive traits (albino, hypo, etc) have not fluctuated too much in recent years, hanging out around 750-1000 for a pair for as long as I've been around, albeit a relatively short time. Given the possibilities of crosses to create with co-doms will add value to them, one might expect them to behave in a similar way.

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Originally Posted by shhhli

Or, Low prices means that other people(sellers) are going to drop theirs(prices) down in fear that no one will buy the animals they've invested in(because they're going to the person with the lowest prices). Its not actually people freaking out because they were 'naive' and thought they could get 'rich' its people upset that others could flounder an investment over stupid business practices. That's what gets some people upset that others are under cutting them which is poor business and correct me if im wrong- illegal in some forms of practice.

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how is it stupid buisness practices? did he not sell 50 mojaves in a week? i dunno about you, but i would be so happy if i made $40k in one week.

a stupid buisness practice is any one that would cause you to lose money. The only way to decide if it was a stupid move was if he lost more customers due to the drop than he gained.

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Originally Posted by ssscales

What would everyone think if Pete Khal or RD or NERD priced their Pieds for $2500 next year?

Would we still see this anger/panic from the BP community?
Would everyone call them scammers all of a sudden?
Would the BP community accuse them of dumping or praise them?
Would the public bash and ban them or rush to buy a few Pieds for $2500?
Would it be perceived as a good thing or bad?

Just curious...

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My thoughts are NO ... people won't bash NERD etc. Pieds have always been a well sort after ball. And they are coming down in price. $3,750 will get you a male!

So a $1,250 price drop in 12 months..... is not likely on those being they are recessive.

Back to Mojaves, what would you pair up with a Mojave if given the chance? Mojave balls themselves are coming down in price. Rather then joing that, what would you breed to a mojave... there are some nice combos!

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Originally Posted by duffmanrc

how is it stupid buisness practices? did he not sell 50 mojaves in a week? i dunno about you, but i would be so happy if i made $40k in one week.

a stupid buisness practice is any one that would cause you to lose money. The only way to decide if it was a stupid move was if he lost more customers due to the drop than he gained.

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A stupid biz practice is one similar to what he pulled by under cutting and... sorry, wrong term... dumping on a market. He may of gained 40K or whatever it was, but they may well of alienated themselves by trashing so many other people in the process, both previous customers and businesses. That makes for a stupid buisness decision.

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Originally Posted by duffmanrc

how is it stupid buisness practices? did he not sell 50 mojaves in a week? i dunno about you, but i would be so happy if i made $40k in one week.

a stupid buisness practice is any one that would cause you to lose money. The only way to decide if it was a stupid move was if he lost more customers due to the drop than he gained.

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If you consider it good practice to under cut and sell out all of your animals for less than what they're worth-and then to know that this will inturn ruin your business for serious and dedicated customers and mess you up in the long run then, yes, it is a good business plan. The simple fact that he sold out this year, good. Great. Next year? No. It was a poor, poor decision.

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Originally Posted by duffmanrc

how is it stupid buisness practices? did he not sell 50 mojaves in a week? i dunno about you, but i would be so happy if i made $40k in one week.

a stupid buisness practice is any one that would cause you to lose money. The only way to decide if it was a stupid move was if he lost more customers due to the drop than he gained.

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He sold 50 mojaves for $800 when he could have sold 50 mojaves for $900-$1000. Their profit could have been $5000-$10,000 more profit easily...that is $5000-$10000 that they 'lost'. To not sell your items for what they are worth and miss out on earning potential is 'stupid business'.

Who wants $40000 when you could have $50000 just as easy???

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Originally Posted by shhhli

If you consider it good practice to under cut and sell out all of your animals for less than what they're worth-and then to know that this will inturn ruin your business for serious and dedicated customers and mess you up in the long run then, yes, it is a good business plan. The simple fact that he sold out this year, good. Great. Next year? No. It was a poor, poor decision.

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First, I doubt he sold out of all his animals. Second, I'll bet he has no problem finding customers. Third, this one incident involving this one breeder has, much like most of your posts on this subject, been greatly exaggerated, over-dramatized, and blown out of proportion.

Back on topic....

Prices will go down on the 'older' and 'easy to produce' stuff.....thats what happens when there are so many options out there. The future of ball pythons is combinations......double homozygous...triple homozygous....quadruple homozygous...ball pythons are just scratching the surface.....rare animals demand rare prices.....mojave, spider, and pastel prices are down.....buy a mojave male and a spider female and breed them.....not too many spiderxmojaves out there, right? or you could even throw a recessive in the mix.....ever seen a mojavexstripe...nope?....get to work and pick you up a mojave and some genetic stripe hets ;)

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Originally Posted by daniel1983

Back on topic....

Prices will go down on the 'older' and 'easy to produce' stuff.....thats what happens when there are so many options out there. The future of ball pythons is combinations......double homozygous...triple homozygous....quadruple homozygous...ball pythons are just scratching the surface.....rare animals demand rare prices.....mojave, spider, and pastel prices are down.....buy a mojave male and a spider female and breed them.....not too many spiderxmojaves out there, right? or you could even throw a recessive in the mix.....ever seen a mojavexstripe...nope?....get to work and pick you up a mojave and some genetic stripe hets ;)

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Well said, Daniel! :sweeet:

Personally...my interest in morphs is purely selfish...in that, I see beautiful snakes that I want to own! :P The fact that many of the moprhs I love cost thousands of dollars just goes to show I have expensive taste. I plan on enjoying the challenge of gathering all these beauties into my collection one way or another. If the prices of some drop...that means I may be getting some sooner than I thought possible. If they stay expensive, then I'll breed my own and sell extra babies for more money to buy more snakes.

I DO hope the market stays strong enough, overall, for me to have fun making extra money working with animals I LOVE. But I'm not going to fret over the price of any particular morph. I don't have plans or hopes of "getting rich" off ball pythons. But even if I did, I would try to take into account that a market like this is going to fluctuate and change year to year...and one must be ready to roll with the punches.

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Originally Posted by JLC

I DO hope the market stays strong enough, overall, for me to have fun making extra money working with animals I LOVE. But I'm not going to fret over the price of any particular morph. I don't have plans or hopes of "getting rich" off ball pythons. But even if I did, I would try to take into account that a market like this is going to fluctuate and change year to year...and one must be ready to roll with the punches.

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There will always be someone wanting to buy!

Breeding different low end cost morphs together can produce some decent cost morphs, that's the nice thing. Your not limited to just producing more of the same.

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Originally Posted by Sputnik

My thoughts are NO ... people won't bash NERD etc. Pieds have always been a well sort after ball. And they are coming down in price. $3,750 will get you a male!

So a $1,250 price drop in 12 months..... is not likely on those being they are recessive.

Back to Mojaves, what would you pair up with a Mojave if given the chance? Mojave balls themselves are coming down in price. Rather then joing that, what would you breed to a mojave... there are some nice combos!

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Let me rephrase that, if they did what MKR did with Mojaves and Lessers, how would it have been perceived?

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Originally Posted by sho220

First, I doubt he sold out of all his animals. Second, I'll bet he has no problem finding customers. Third, this one incident involving this one breeder has, much like most of your posts on this subject, been greatly exaggerated, over-dramatized, and blown out of proportion.

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Yes, well your continual negativity on people who do invest money on higher end morphs really gets my goat so dont throw rocks in glass houses because you too have made some grave blanket statements.
HOWEVER. no- of course he didnt sell all of his stock. did i say that? no. you're pulling things out of the air on my posts- i'm assuming, because you disagree with me and that's it. Now, who here with a head and a plan for the future will buy from MKR with all the doubts about 'what if they do it to another morph'? Is it a good idea, No, and I'm sure most people- especially people on fauna will NOT buy from him. Has this helped his business? No. No one can point to him as an example and say "He had a great idea" Yeah, for someone who wanted to piss off a lot of people and ruin his good name. So, quite frankly, if you want to blow something out of porportion just keep goading me, i'm not as stupid as you'd like to think.
Just remember, we have two different views of this hobby- you as someone who just wants morphs, and me as someone who wants to be a potential breeder.

I don't think this has hurt MKR's business personally. It may have hurt them with some breeders and other sellers and as far as they go. Yes, they may have lost some potential customers in that area. But, lets face it, for every 1 they lose because of the lower prices, they gain 10 because of the lower price.

With that said, there will always be buyers looking to save a buck or a couple hundred or a couple thousand. As long as they can get their hands quality snakes, are able to reproduce them, service their customers and deliver, they will sell.

Either at $10,000 or $5000 or $1000, they will sell.

I'm sure RD, Kevin, PK and countless other breeders won't be buying from MKR anytime soon, but there will be 100's of newbies looking for the low $$$ that will.

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First, I doubt he sold out of all his animals. Second, I'll bet he has no problem finding customers. Third, this one incident involving this one breeder has, much like most of your posts on this subject, been greatly exaggerated, over-dramatized, and blown out of proportion.

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You are right he didn't sell all his stock, just the males from this years breedings. But, this is not the first incident MKR has been involved in. Do you know how he got his first morphs? He told all the big breeders he was buying expensive pets and wasn't going to breed. Nothing I have seen posted about MKR has been dramatized. His motto from day one was "we sell for less", sounds like Wal-mart. He also brags constantly about how much money he makes. I seen an email he sent to a friend of mine that stated he has made over $400,000 dollars in the last 8 weeks and is well on his way to make a million dollars this year. He is out purely for the money without any regard for anything else to do with this business. He will never see a dime of my money!!! One of his other mottos is "hit the gas", he plans on breeding so many morphs that he will control the cost of whatever he produces. I am afraid to purchase any morph he owns at this point, what will be the next morph he plunges in price (clown maybe). Who knows?!?!?!?

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Originally Posted by shhhli

HOWEVER. no- of course he didnt sell all of his stock. did i say that? no.

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"If you consider it good practice to under cut and sell out all of your animals for less than what they're worth"


What am I missing here??? And I'm not negative on all those who invested in ball's...just those who continue to cry about this...

Go back and read some of Daniel1983's posts...he gave some good advise...

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"Prices will go down on the 'older' and 'easy to produce' stuff.....thats what happens when there are so many options out there. The future of ball pythons is combinations"

But then again, you probably already know this...

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Originally Posted by sho220

"If you consider it good practice to under cut and sell out all of your animals for less than what they're worth"


What am I missing here??? And I'm not negative on all those who invested in ball's...just those who continue to cry about this...

Go back and read some of Daniel1983's posts...he gave some good advise...

such as...

"Prices will go down on the 'older' and 'easy to produce' stuff.....thats what happens when there are so many options out there. The future of ball pythons is combinations"

But then again, you probably already know this...

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Since we were referring to Mojaves, which, is the name of this post- it should have been inferred. Or can you do that? Not to be rude, but you do have a habit of seeing what i post in your own light and not how its intended.
And YES! Oh wow! I DID know that. but, of course, you seem to be saying in your post (as i am inferring) that his drastic cut in mojave and platinum prices is in corolation(sp) as to what Daniel1983 is talking about. And I've read daniel's stuff for as long as I've been here. I dont see him agreeing with what MKR did.

If you'd like to fuss more, please do so- i dont really care. I just saw what you posted in reply to:
Why are low prices so bad though? If we buy from reputable breeders selling them at low prices, it would be a good thing
And since I didn't like the tone of your post because you had to snide that "The price drops everyone is flipping out about are only going to hurt those who were so naive they thought they could get rich doing this...Reality has a knack for *&#$% slapping the clueless... SO i replied with my response explaining (and using examples!) as to why to some it would be a bad idea. But of course, i just over dramatized and exaggerated. I mean. Really. I did. Yeah.
OH! and this reminds me- where in that post did i mention MKR? I used a "worst case scenario" example. Yes. Ironic how you thought i was talking about him, huh? (And just fyi, what BPkid posted and you had responded to was the VERY first message in this thread i saw- and i have yet to go back. I in all honesty was answering a question in a different tone than what you had posted and i read. TALK ABOUT MAKING ASSUMPTIONS!)

Ooh- and ssscales, I ment to note that i do agree with what you said and you know, for the people that don't do research and screw up and buy from him.. well. good luck to him..

I just have this problem guys, i dont know why but when i think of business i generally think of how i would do things and i have this CRAZY habit of mixing ethics and morals with business. Its a habit. Sorry. So if you see me talking about business, just know i mean the peachy-keen kind where I dont screw people over for a buck. That's what i consider good business in the most optimal condition.
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WOW....don't bring me into this spat ;)

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WOW....don't bring me into this spat ;)

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I would never! I srsly tried to compliment you lol.

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Ooh- and ssscales, I meant to note that i do agree with what you said and you know, for the people that don't do research and screw up and buy from him.. well. good luck to him..

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I hear you, the thing is what MKR did is nothing new. Prices have gone from $5000 to $4000 to $3000 to $2000 and down to $1500 in less than a year without MKR and before MKR took it down to $800.

It would be one thing if they sold sick snakes, or did not deliver or misrepresented their snakes, or lacked in customer service, but they made a decision to lower their prices and cut their profits. Would I have done it like this...Probably Not!

I would have priced them at a fare market value and what I felt they were worth at the time (possibly $1250-$1500)! I might be open to negotiations in private, but if they did not move at that price, I would prefer to pull them from the classifieds and grow them! Six months later, market them differently and put them up for sale at about the same price! If they still did not sell, I would take them off again and grow them some more! I would place them back up next year as yearlings at the same price or more, if possible.

And if they still did not sell by breeding age/weight....Breed them and produce some more Mojaves and maybe some cool white snakes! Price them accordingly, possibly wholesale a few Mojaves, if needed to unload a few.

The problem is, some of these prices have dropped so fast and so much that it's difficult to hold a set price at any level. In the years past you would shelf a snake and in a years time it was worth a little to considerably more money than priced as a neo!

In this crazy environment, you could shelf a morph and in a year that morph may have lost 50%-90%...that's unexplainable! Is anyone today getting $5000 for an 06 Mojave? What about $5000 for an 05 Mojave?

Competition in price has always existed, but this has taken it to a whole new low..No pun intended!

I guess another issues is, MKR produced how many, 50 Mojaves! I would not produce 50 Mojaves unless I was somewhat certain I could move them without dumping. Unless I already calculated this and had 1-2-3 wholesalers ready to scoop up the 50 X $800!

Who knows what MKR was thinking, but I would not label them or anyone bad guys because they sell for less. There are a lot worse things sellers can do besides sell for less! Just ask anyone who bought from TSE..

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Originally Posted by daniel1983

WOW....don't bring me into this spat ;)

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Chicken! ;)