My hard work pays off

Well i have to thank everyone who has helped me along the way. I now have a pretty efficient rat and mouse breeding colony. Both are doing great with great success. With that i decided to share some pictures with you all and I hope you enjoy them

Side note the ice colony was alittle rocky at first.. they like their privacy and show that by eating their babies when i would peek to much. So, now that I leave them alone they reward me by nursing instead of eating their young :pinkele:

well i hope you all like the pics. I can just go from bin to bin looking at them... all of it is still a work in progress...


This is my rat rack.. I added another level. Each bin has 3 females and I have the males on a cycle.
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...ack_964825.jpg


Here is my mouse rack.. the bin under neath is the birthing bin.. All prego moms .. the top blue bins have males in them and I place the females in them to get pregnant... you can see some moms in there now with their babies.
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...0/micerack.jpg


THis is a pic of some of my weaned baby rats.. Most of them are camera shy.. and I couldnt fit them all in..
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil.../weanedrts.jpg



This pic is of some moma mice with their babies...
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...iceandmama.jpg




And finally some weaned baby mice

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...weanedmice.jpg

Looks awsome! I could never do this, had alot of pet rodents growning up, its hard enough dropping a poor mouse in there to be killed....but theres NO way I could do it if I had a hand in breeding them an dall...I'd end up with a ton of pet mice!

Looks great Sevo!! Glad to see it going so well for you!

CUTENESS OVERLOAD! I want to scoop up all your baby rats and take them home with me! Everything looks great, and glad to hear they're producing for you!

Thanks guys.. this forum really helped me get where i am with it. Its hard to feed some of them because you do get attached.. but i get over that quickly when I am feeding 15 snakes... at 2-3 bucks a pop ..

I hope my snake breeding goes as well.. I hope to be so lucky

Looks good Sevo! I could never get mice to breed w/o a bunch of them eating their babies (maybe I peeked too much?) but my rats do just great. Glad it's going well for you now.

if that is cedar bedding, I'm just telling you that it is toxic to mice and rats, your best bet would be newspaper or aspen, just trying to help.

or if its pine it is also toxic. heres alink backing up what i said: http://www.ratfanclub.org/litters.html

no its not. its toxic to reptiles. for rodents its fine.

I'm sorry to say but yes it is, check out the site that I just put up. I've had rats and mice as pets since I was 8. They are most def. toxic, They cause bad respitory problems.

"The acids given off by pine and cedar shavings are very damaging to the respiratory tract. These acids can actually destroy cells that line the lungs and trachea (2). This has significant implications for rats since the most common diseases in pet rats are respiratory infections. Many owners of pet rats have reported the improvement of respiratory problems when they have switched their pets to a bedding other than pine or cedar shavings. " This is stated on that site and by many many rat breeders and mice breeders.

heres more sites so you dont think i have some bogus one:
http://www.afrma.org/rminfo2a.htm
http://www.ratsrule.com/cedar.html
http://www.aracnet.com/~seagull/faq/beddingfaq.shtml
http://www.petrats.org/

I've kept rats, mice, and gerbils on kiln dried pine for years .... they are all 100% healthy and have ZERO respiratory problems. I have a vet that comes out to my place twice a year to check the snakes and he always takes a few minutes to check out the small group of rodents that I keep as well. Go figure! :sweeet:

-adam

pine is the safer of the two if all the dust is taken out but cedar is most certainly toxic. I have tried all of the bedding, and pine worked fine for me but the cedar did not. I'm not attacking I am looking out for the mice and just trying to help and inform of the toxicity of cedar.

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or if its pine it is also toxic

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pine worked fine for me

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uh huh. so which is it??

well it is said to be toxic, when there is dust in it they are. and when there isnt alot of dust it's alright, but the safest of beddings are aspen, carefresh, or newspaper.

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well it is said to be toxic, when there is dust in it they are. and when there isnt alot of dust it's alright, but the safest of beddings are aspen, carefresh, or newspaper.

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I've kept rats, mice, and gerbils on kiln dried pine for years .... they are all 100% healthy and have ZERO respiratory problems. I have a vet that comes out to my place twice a year to check the snakes and he always takes a few minutes to check out the small group of rodents that I keep as well. Go figure! :sweeet:

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no further questions.

http://www.peta.org/MC/factsheet_display.asp?ID=10
http://www.pets-warehouse.com/MiceRats.htm
Just a few more sites that prove my statement. Why are you guys argueing when there are facts right in front of you, do you think all the sites are lies? I have not argued with anyone on this site when there has been facts that are proven right in front of me. This statement excludes adams statement towards me, as he was not argueing.

where was i arguing? just discussion here buddy.

EDIT: for the record ill take Adams personal experience over a peta page and some other website ANYDAY.

yes but you are questioning facts. There is nothing I can answer that I already haven't stated. I tried to give this guy some advice and help so he doesn't have any problems with his rats or mice. I had problems with my gerbils on cedar and the minute i noticed and changed their bedding type to aspen the problems went away.

too bad I've had personal experience too and i own and breed both rats and mice. I have had them for years since i was 8. Do not talk to me about personal experience that is what I just said to the guy that posted this is the first place. I have had experience with cedar with mice and gerbils. All had respitory problems until I changed their bedding type.

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I have had experience with cedar with mice and gerbils.

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That's cool, but you also spoke about pine ... do you have experience keeping rodents on pine or are you just going off of what you read on the PETA website?

-adam

well if you keep changing the story i think you need to be questioned.

if you havent had problems with your rodents on pine then why do you say its toxic, then say its fine, then say its toxic, then switch to talking about cedar?

yes i have tried all the bedding and i have had problems with cedar and minor problems with the pine. I am not speaking of things i have read but since everyone loves to argue with people that are telling the truth on here i figured i'd back up what i was saying but god forbid i try that because everything broke loose and i still got argued with.

i have had mice, gerbils. hamsters, guinea pigs, rats, ferrets, chinchillas, sugargliders, and many other animals that need bedding and not one did i ever stick with pine or cedar. I believe I have enough experience I'd say 10 years was enough..

I don't like confronting people about stuff, but you take the cake. You state everything as fact, because you read it somewhere. Anyone can post a page about caring for mice and state whatever they want as fact. It doesn't mean it's true. Pine is absolutely NOT toxic!!!!! If it is not kiln-dried the oils in the wood can be an irritant, but not TOXIC!!!!! You wonder why everyone argues with you???? Take a step back and realize everything you read on the internet is not alway FACT!!!!!

did you not read that i clearly stated that i have used this bedding and have had problems with it and i was backing up what i was saying. I'm done argueing or helping anybody but rmune because he takes my help and says thanks, no arguements or anything, and I'm done talking to anyone other than tigerlilly, cueball, and rmune0750
jesus, i thought this was a forum for help...

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i have had mice, gerbils. hamsters, guinea pigs, rats, ferrets, chinchillas, sugargliders, and many other animals that need bedding and not one did i ever stick with pine or cedar. I believe I have enough experience I'd say 10 years was enough..

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:rolleyes: here we go again...

don't forget, hot sauce is cruel and unusual punishment, and we don't deserve rats if we use it, because they can't eliminate gas...

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showp...00&postcount=8

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I'm done talking to anyone other than tigerlilly, cueball, and rmune0750

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:( ... I thought we were OK? What did I do??? .... That stinks! :(

-adam

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did you not read that i clearly stated that i have used this bedding and have had problems with it and i was backing up what i was saying. I'm done argueing or helping anybody but rmune because he takes my help and says thanks, no arguements or anything, and I'm done talking to anyone other than tigerlilly, cueball, and rmune0750
jesus, i thought this was a forum for help...

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I don't have a problem with you telling someone you had problems with it. The first thing you said was it was "toxic", that was bad info. I keep 300 breeder mice and 50 breeder rats on kiln-dried pine (by the way, it was recommended by people on this site) without problems. I can find all kinds of info on the internet also, doesn't mean its true.

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I'm done talking to anyone other than tigerlilly, cueball, and rmune0750

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For some odd reason, I'm so happy to not be on that list. :D

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For some odd reason, I'm so happy to not be on that list. :D

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Alec you are right about cedar and somewhat correct about certain pine shavings. I myself used aspen for a long time with my breeder/feeder collection however I've now switched over to a low dust pine and have closely monitored my colony. Most anyone here will tell you I'm a nut about good care for rats and likely overdo my husbandry to most anybody's standards and I have seen NO poor results from the bedding switch. Not a sneeze, not a loss of condition, nothing....if I had I'd have shared it with this forum and the other rat breeders on it. Now since I'm not on your list of those you talk to, please do feel free to ignore me and this post LOL

Lets see if I remember all the stuff stated so far by Alec. Rubbermaids are terrible for snakes, racks are bad, baking soda toxic, ok to house multiple snake together, pine bedding toxic to mice and rats, oh yes and big reptile breeders use wood and screen enclosures. Did I miss any?

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Did I miss any?

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Jimmy is cool? :banana:

-adam

As long as we aren't talking about Cue's cat. ;)

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As long as we aren't talking about Cue's cat. ;)

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Well, he does keep his cat on pine which might explain those creepy eyes.

-adam

sorry adam we are. I was just so mad. :) Sorry...

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sorry adam we are. I was just so mad. :) Sorry...

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ahhh ... cool ... not a problem! ;) :sweeet:

-adam

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Lets see if I remember all the stuff stated so far by Alec. Rubbermaids are terrible for snakes, racks are bad, baking soda toxic, ok to house multiple snake together, pine bedding toxic to mice and rats, oh yes and big reptile breeders use wood and screen enclosures. Did I miss any?

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I'm buying racks from cueball. I did not say racks are bad alan does not agree with them, i am buying some from cue though. Do not put words in my mouth.

oh and by the way i never said baking soda was bad. I just put something up there to help her. i never said it was bad. it isn't it is in some beddings they sell for rodents.

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Alec you are right about cedar and somewhat correct about certain pine shavings. I myself used aspen for a long time with my breeder/feeder collection however I've now switched over to a low dust pine and have closely monitored my colony. Most anyone here will tell you I'm a nut about good care for rats and likely overdo my husbandry to most anybody's standards and I have seen NO poor results from the bedding switch. Not a sneeze, not a loss of condition, nothing....if I had I'd have shared it with this forum and the other rat breeders on it. Now since I'm not on your list of those you talk to, please do feel free to ignore me and this post LOL

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well seeing as how I have never spoken to you and you have yet to argue with me and wow you actually said i was right geez, thats a first and i do appreciate it. And if you read closely i did say pine with a little dust is fine. I was correct on that.

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yes but you are questioning facts. There is nothing I can answer that I already haven't stated. I tried to give this guy some advice and help so he doesn't have any problems with his rats or mice. I had problems with my gerbils on cedar and the minute i noticed and changed their bedding type to aspen the problems went away.

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Well to me it lloks like this guys colonys are going just fine. He already has lots if babies and adults and they all look healthy.

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too bad I've had personal experience too and i own and breed both rats and mice. I have had them for years since i was 8. Do not talk to me about personal experience that is what I just said to the guy that posted this is the first place. I have had experience with cedar with mice and gerbils. All had respitory problems until I changed their bedding type.

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Just because your mice, rats, and gerbils had health problems doesnt mean it was because of the bedding, maybe it was your husbandry. Just think about what you type before you post it and think to yourself, does this make sense or is it even true? Is this just stuff I've heard or stuff that I know for sure is a fact?

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I'm buying racks from cueball. I did not say racks are bad alan does not agree with them, i am buying some from cue though. Do not put words in my mouth.

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You stated this in another thread,

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another thing, rubbermaids you can not make a great habitat for them that you can actually see. I think rubbermaids are for cheap people that do not want to spend the time or money getting an actual cage and making a habitat for them.

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I am quoting you're own words, not this supposed Alan.

I see "Alan" was banned, I wonder why?

he was banned because he was sick of this forum for the same reason i am done with every one except for adam, cue, tigerlilly, and rmune0750, he told JLC "f*** you" and got banned because he asked for it.

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I see "Alan" was banned, I wonder why?

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Not because of "identity" issues. So far as "admin" is concerned, both Alan and Alecz are legitimate user ID's. It would not be the first time members of a household both had sign-ins...in fact, that is the way it must be done if more than one person in a home wants to communicate here.

I understand your frustrations, but it does reach a point where folks are beating a dead horse and becoming instigators rather than helpers. Please keep this in mind. (This is for everyone...not pointing fingers at anyone!) If everyone would just calm down and lay off...then maybe all the prickly defenses can be put away and we can all start again. There's no need to keep badgering anyone here.

and if you want to see alan and I you can go to my myspace and see us so you don't think we are lying about who we are www.myspace.com/alexpaladino

since you think we are lying,

oh wait, you might argue with me here since my websites aren't legit, who knows, those could be just anouther alecz and alan.

[QUOTE=Alecz]he was banned because he was sick of this forum for the same reason i am done with every one except for adam, cue, tigerlilly, and rmune0750[QUOTE]
Im sorry to tell you but this is a public forum and anything you type, can be read by everyone unless you start using only pm's, which would be a pain. So any post you make is pretty much talking to everyone.

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and if you want to see alan and I you can go to my myspace and see us so you don't think we are lying about who we are www.myspace.com/alexpaladino

since you think we are lying,

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Who said we thought you were lying? And why do you say we are going to argue with everything you say?