Corns now illegal in NJ??????

Anyone know anything about this?

The manager at my pet shop told me this morning that it is now illegal in NJ to possess or sell ANY morph of Corn Snake except albinos and a few others. Sure enough, I checked out the website for NJ Fish & Wildlife and they state that the following morphs are the only ones legal to possess and/or sell in the State of NJ.

Red Albino (Amelanistic)
Lavender
Butter
Blizzard
Snow
Creamsicle
Pearl

I don't understand the reasons for half of NJF&W's regulations. Are owners grandfathered in, or will they force people to turn in their now illegal morphs? In the case, what will happen to the snakes?

http://www.njfishandwildlife.com/pdf...etshop_app.pdf

Well why could you own some morphs of corns but not others. I'm totally mystified? Are they only allowing morphs that are easily visual as not wild type so they can make sure no wild types are in pet stores? Total confusion here.

That is just plain stupid!!!!!!!!:mad: I bet someone who breeds those morphs has something to do with it.Why else would they specify only certain morphs?

If you read that closely it says "no pet shop or animal dealer may sell/possesse any other morph than those". Which means breeders and hobbist still can sell and keep them.

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Originally Posted by greenmonkey51

If you read that closely it says "no pet shop or animal dealer may sell/possesse any other morph than those". Which means breeders and hobbist still can sell and keep them.

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I bet they consider breeders and hobbiest as animal dealers.If not then who could they sell there animals to? No local sells just internet and thats not right :mad:

NJ's laws mystify me. This thing with Corns is very strange. It's also illegal to have Anacondas, but you can have Retics, Burmese and Rocks. NJ is also the state that banned the keeping of any and all turtles and tortoises. You're not allowed to have larval salamanders because it's too difficult to tell the difference between endangered and non-endangered species at that stage.

I've been trying for quite some time to get a hold of NJF&W in order to get permits for my own snakes. Apparently there's only one office that handles this. I've left several messages with them, firstly no one ever answers the phone there, no one returns my messages and now the system says the mailbox is full.

From what I've read, it seems as if the state wants you to buy only from pet shops here. In order to get a permit you need to produce receipts. I bought my snakes at reptile shows and the last thing I thought of was getting receipts!!

All those laws yet its ok to spew toxic smoke into the air! Rock on Garbage State!

I <heart> NJ!

-adam

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

I <heart> NJ!

-adam

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Impossible! Nobody hearts NJ...

I loathe NJ and I grew up here!

Well, in Georgia, it's illegal to own corns, regardless of morph. Any non-venemous indigenous snake to Georgia is illegal to own as a pet, but you can own all the indigenous venemous snakes you want!

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Well, in Georgia, it's illegal to own corns, regardless of morph. Any non-venemous indigenous snake to Georgia is illegal to own as a pet, but you can own all the indigenous venemous snakes you want!

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I am pretty sure it illegal to own ANY kingsnakes in Georgia also. They do not want to risk indignous snake species from alternative locations(or other species that can hybridize native populations) being released into the wild and integrating into the Georgia snake population....so they just banned them all.

A local pet shop here was recently busted for having corns and even ratsnakes. I'm in VA.

I'll look around Lexis-Nexis later on and see what I can come up with. I don't know if these are new laws on the books or they are just now being enforced. That's wierd that this stuff is all popping up at the same time in different states. Makes me think it might be coming from the federal level.

Here's what I came up with:


http://www.dgif.virginia.gov/wildlif...ingselling.asp

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The DGIF is now issuing permits to licensed pet stores and captive breeders for them to sell three species of captive-bred snakes (4 VAC 15-360-50): eastern kingsnake, mole kingsnake, and corn snake. No other snakes native to Virginia can be bought or sold in Virginia, and there are size limits as to what can be sold.

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4VAC15-360-50. Propagation and sale of certain amphibians and reptiles.

It shall be lawful to propagate and sell certain native species of captive bred amphibians and reptiles with a Permit to Propagate and Sell Certain Wildlife or a Permit to Hold and Sell Certain Wildlife under such restrictions and conditions as the board may prescribe.

Statutory Authority

§§29.1-501 and 29.1-502 of the Code of Virginia.

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Appearantly, in VA, you need to hold a permit in order to sell cornsnakes and certain types of kingsnakes.

However, as far as private citizens are concerned, look no further to Title 4VAC of the Game and Inland Fisheries, amended July 1, 2006:

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4 VAC 15-360-10. Taking aquatic invertebrates, amphibians, reptiles, and nongame fish for private use.

A. Possession limits. Except as otherwise provided for in § 29.1-418 of the Code of Virginia, 4 VAC 15-20-130, subdivision 8 of 4 VAC 15-320-40 and the sections of this chapter, it shall be lawful to capture and possess live for private use and not for sale no more than five individuals of any single native or naturalized (as defined in 4 VAC 15-20-50) species of amphibian and reptile and 20 individuals of any single native or naturalized (as defined in 4 VAC 15-20-50) species of aquatic invertebrate and nongame fish

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That's VA...NJ would probably be different but similar I'm guessing. I'll poke around a little more when I get a few. Hope that helps!

Mississippi you can own any type of snake that is found here. You can even keep 4 animals of any "Hot" kind up to 12 animals with a valid hunting license. So like 4 timber rattlers, 4 copperheads, and so on up to 12.

Thanks for all the info guys. You gotta love NJ; we're supposedly in a fiscal crisis so they raised the sales tax one percent. Yet we have enough money to continue to pay people to determine what kind of pets we can keep. Oh and to keep track of the paperwork for permits.

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Originally Posted by eightleggedfreak

I've been trying for quite some time to get a hold of NJF&W in order to get permits for my own snakes. Apparently there's only one office that handles this. I've left several messages with them, firstly no one ever answers the phone there, no one returns my messages and now the system says the mailbox is full.

From what I've read, it seems as if the state wants you to buy only from pet shops here. In order to get a permit you need to produce receipts. I bought my snakes at reptile shows and the last thing I thought of was getting receipts!!

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Same here !!! I have been trying to get in touch with them because I have aquired more snakes and I need to update my permit. The mailbox has been full for months now and they are so far behind with issueing permits.

Even though the NJ Div. F&W website states that only those morphs of corn snakes are permitted, pet stores such as Petco sell other morphs such as Okeetee and Candy cane.

Can anyone get any information on reptile ownership in alabama? as far as i know its okay to own.. .whatever but i would like to personally read it myself. i just cant get the danged alabama state website to tell me. i have no idea where to look (and have tried many times).

Shhhi - tried to google Alabama DNR for you, and while I found it, didn't see anything in regards to reptiles that are legal to own there. Seems a LONG time ago, someone posted a link that had links to each state and what was legal. But I didn't bookmark it. Maybe someone else remembers?

Daniel - I believe you are right about the Kingsnakes as well - but then again - they do fall under the non-venomous (how the heck is that spelled anyway?) indigenous snake category that you can't own in GA.

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Originally Posted by shhhli

Can anyone get any information on reptile ownership in alabama? as far as i know its okay to own.. .whatever but i would like to personally read it myself. i just cant get the danged alabama state website to tell me. i have no idea where to look (and have tried many times).

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I found this website, but it is about venomous snakes : http://www.venomousreptiles.org/forums/Experts/882

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Shhhi - tried to google Alabama DNR for you, and while I found it, didn't see anything in regards to reptiles that are legal to own there. Seems a LONG time ago, someone posted a link that had links to each state and what was legal. But I didn't bookmark it. Maybe someone else remembers?

Daniel - I believe you are right about the Kingsnakes as well - but then again - they do fall under the non-venomous (how the heck is that spelled anyway?) indigenous snake category that you can't own in GA.

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I posted all of the links that I found in my thread concerning my Essay. Here you go, Robin.

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=30100

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Originally Posted by _BoidFinatic_

I found this website, but it is about venomous snakes : http://www.venomousreptiles.org/forums/Experts/882

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Look here too. These are the nongame species in Alabama and 1) It shall be unlawful to take, capture, kill, or attempt to take, capture or kill, possess, sell, trade ....http://www.conservation.alabama.gov/...-92nongame.cfm

Being a corn breeder in NJ, and from what I have come accross, basically NJ will only allow morphs that do not have the normal coloration to be sold and kept as pets. (Please remember, normal corns are native here in South Jersey, the 51st State!, and you can not keep native reptiles.) They have those few morphs listed because they have been standards in the corn world for some time. There is no way the state can keep up with all the NEW morphs out there. The questionable area comes up with different patterns. In a trade, I got a pair of really nice striped corns that are so light in color that I would say they are not normals, but they are. When I have normals hatch-out I have to sell them at shows, or trade quickly. I do have some normals that friends in other states hold onto for me for breeding purposes, as they are loaded with morphs in their genes. I will be done with these in next few years.

In the end, it just is not worth the risk to keep the normals here in the state and risk having all my snakes taken in a raid. Plus who wants normals anymore, they sell for $10.00 in the trade.

at least you can keep morphs. here in GA, ALL corns are illegal to keep.

Sweet guys, thanks a lot.