borneo short tails ?'s

Hello everyone i'm new to the forum and i was just wondering what input everyone had on the borneo short tails, i want one bad but am still deciding, i've had proir experience with red bloods and i can provide the food and caging reguriments no problem, i was just wondering how much smaller are they then the red bloods what do they eat when their fully grown, whats their dispostions like , what sice cages do they need,and anything else that might help me
thanks in advance for the help:)

A short tail still will get 4-5' over time. Since most bloods aren't tame at all, I would recomend you have a bit of experience with agressive snakes. Although some bloods may tolerate handling, they would much rather be left alone. Not a good display or pet snake IMO.

like i said i have experience with bloods i was just wondering how much different the borneo is then then the red bloods, any one no a good place where to buy them?

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Originally Posted by python15

like i said i have experience with bloods i was just wondering how much different the borneo is then then the red bloods, any one no a good place where to buy them?

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Oh I would look through the kingsnake.com classifieds and see what you find for sale

Or NERD - Kara is a blood-a-holic and has gorgeous ones.

Yo jimmyyyyy!!!





Dude, they are primarily the smae snake, just different color/patterning and locale. I'd say go for it, cuz they are gansta!

lol...ttyl

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Originally Posted by Pork Chops N' Corn Bread

Although some bloods may tolerate handling, they would much rather be left alone. Not a good display or pet snake IMO.

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Actually, good CBB bloods & short-tails that have been raised correctly are usually quite tolerant of handling, and can be an extremely rewarding animal to keep. The vast majority (over 100) of mine are hand-tame & are gentle, mellow snakes to work with.

K~

dude their name is bloods they must be gangsta anyone on here breed them or no where i can get them for cheap$$$$

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Actually, good CBB bloods & short-tails that have been raised correctly are usually quite tolerant of handling, and can be an extremely rewarding animal to keep. The vast majority (over 100) of mine are hand-tame & are gentle, mellow snakes to work with.

K~

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I didn't say that they aren't. Most bloods I have handled or seen would much rather hide that come out and be held. I may have to contact you when you have some albino bloods though

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Originally Posted by python15

dude their name is bloods they must be gangsta anyone on here breed them or no where i can get them for cheap$$$$

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If that's your attitude about them, you should stick with a rubber snake from Toys-R-Us.

Bloods & short-tails (or any other snake, for that matter) are not for inexperienced keepers who decide they want one because the name is "gangsta"...and if you're looking for cheap, then you'll get what you pay for...cheap.

If you're more concerned with price than thoroughly educating yourself regarding proper care & husbandry of the species, you're doing both you & the snake a HUGE disservice!!! :stab: :stab: :stab: :stab:

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dude their name is bloods they must be gangsta anyone on here breed them or no where i can get them for cheap$$$$

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A cheap one is more than likely going to be an agressive cb baby. If your going to buy one at all I would go for it and buy one from a good breeder to assure a tame and well started one. Pay the exta $20-50 for such a blood and you'll be happier in the end

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Originally Posted by KLG

If that's your attitude about them, you should stick with a rubber snake from Toys-R-Us.

Bloods & short-tails (or any other snake, for that matter) are not for inexperienced keepers who decide they want one because the name is "gangsta"...and if you're looking for cheap, then you'll get what you pay for...cheap.

If you're more concerned with price than thoroughly educating yourself regarding proper care & husbandry of the species, you're doing both you & the snake a HUGE disservice!!! :stab: :stab: :stab: :stab:

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Beat me too it

i wouldnt call myself inexperinced ive been raising snakes the past 6 years, and the whole gangsta thing was a joke between my friend and i and normally yes when you pay cheap thats what you get i meant cheap as in like 200$ and belive me i do PLENTY of research on all species of snakes ive read all i can about borneos i was just getting a fellow snake care'r for their input
thank you

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i wouldnt call myself inexperinced ive been raising snakes the past 6 years, and the whole gangsta thing was a joke between my friend and i and normally yes when you pay cheap thats what you get i meant cheap as in like 200$ and belive me i do PLENTY of research on all species of snakes ive read all i can about borneos i was just getting a fellow snake care'r for their input
thank you

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So if you get a Borneo, how do you plan to set the snake up?

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Originally Posted by pslsnakes

, they are primarily the smae snake, just different color/patterning and locale.

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Actually, they are 2 completely different species, just FYI.

alright dont get mad if i'm alittle off lol from whut ive read i would but him/her in a small rubbermaid conatiner not to big so it doesnt overstress them,,id put two hides in it 1 on the warm side and 1 on the cool side with spagnum moss inside 1 of them,,, a large enoguth bowl so the snake can fit its entire body inside....the heated side whoudl be heated by flexiwatt heat take hooked up to a racno thermostat and ummm am i missing anything? oh yeah the heated side should be 88-90 degreesand the cool side 80-85

humitity should be at 50-60% i believe

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I didnt say the were ENTIRELY the same, but most along the lines as the same husbandry requirements.



And i know Jimmy, And he's been keeping Regius for over 5 years and he has quite experience with the bloods.


All he wanted to know was that if they are the same, or different, so he can learn to keep the happily.

And if you get up tight about callin the snake a "gangsta"...thats a little stupid.

(trying not to take personal attacks, just setting facks straight)

Psl...

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And if you get up tight about callin the snake a "gangsta"...thats a little stupid.

(trying not to take personal attacks, just setting facks straight)

Psl...

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No kiddo, I'm not getting uptight about you & your buddy calling the snake a "gangsta." (LOL!) It's the overall attitude of coming on to a message board & expecting to be spoon-fed the same information that any reptile keeper who is capable of free, intelligent thought should be able to research & thoroughly understand prior to acquiring said animal, regardless of species. Yes, I do realize that message boards have, in a sense, become a form of research...but check the search feature here to start. This forum is packed with good information that could be reaped with a little time & effort.

Bloods & short-tails are not "stick the snake in a box & expect it to thrive" species...they are not as forgiving of husbandry errors as some other snakes. They are very cool snakes to keep if one can do so correctly. They're not rocket science either, but do require some finesse & thoughtfulness with regards to what makes them tick, as well as what ticks them off.

Funny...folks who talk about being experienced with these species generally understand the nuances between bloods & STPs, not to mention where to find them "cheap" and what they're typically getting for such a label. And we won't even get into the whole adult size/feeding "regurgiment" (sic)/cage size questions... :rolleyes:

Just my $.02....

K~

:D cant we all just get along lol

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No kiddo, I'm not getting uptight about you & your buddy calling the snake a "gangsta." (LOL!) It's the overall attitude of coming on to a message board & expecting to be spoon-fed the same information that any reptile keeper who is capable of free, intelligent thought should be able to research & thoroughly understand prior to acquiring said animal, regardless of species.

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All he wanted to know was about them. You make it sound like he got then snake and doesnt know anything about it.
So what if he was a little wrong on the snakes, all he wanted was friendly opinions, and not critisism.

Im sorry if i wasnt DEAD ON with my facts i stated earlier. Im not a blood guy. But have been dealing with Regius for over 8 years now, and know it top to bottm.

you tell em dougy lmao but serusly i dont wanna be disrepectful but it wasne tthat big of a deal i was just posting to learn MORE info than i already no from some one who has ALLOT of experience compared to my little

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Originally Posted by pslsnakes

All he wanted to know was about them. You make it sound like he got then snake and doesnt know anything about it.
So what if he was a little wrong on the snakes, all he wanted was friendly opinions, and not critisism.

Im sorry if i wasnt DEAD ON with my facts i stated earlier. Im not a blood guy. But have been dealing with Regius for over 8 years now, and know it top to bottm.

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No, not criticism...call it a pre-emptive strike. You have no idea how many people I run into in a year who get a blood or short-tail, screw the snake up because they didn't research everything at first, and then want someone to bail them out. I keep a lot of bloods & STPs and am VERY passionate about them. If that means helping folks avoid mistakes in the first place, then so be it. I'd rather be wrong about my first impression of your buddy's questions than right about them. :rolleyes:

Nice to hear you know ball pythons top to bottom. Funny...I know a guy who's been keeping balls longer than you've been alive, and while I'd say he knows them top-to-bottom, I don't even think he'd definitively make that statement.

Mind if I tell him about you? ;)

K~

ok if i'm going to buy a snake i'm going to make sure beforehand to no about it as much as possible i've owned a blood in the past notice 1 blood as i said before i just wanted help from one herp lover to anouther to make sure IF i buy the snake that it will live a happy life
thanks

Ok...in that light, and in a VERY LITTLE NUTSHELL, here are some very basic basics:

Borneos (Python breitensteini) still get big. I have some girls that are easily in the 5' range. Minimum 48" x 30" cage space for something this size. Height isn't as important, as long as you can comfortably work the snake. Smaller snakes = smaller cages. Baby STP big enclosure = freaked out snake.

Feeding - SMALL MEALS!!! Do not make your Borneos fat. Fat snakes are not healthy snakes. Again, my biggest still only eat medium rats a couple of times a MONTH.

Humidity - 60% range is good. Dry sheds tell you you need to bump it up a bit. Cages should not be soggy, either, unless you WANT your snake to melt.

Heat - keep it on the cool side, but not TOO cool...88-90 hot side, but never below 75 on the cool side, unless you want to invite resp. issues. If that's your way to spend a fun evening, have at it. If not, pay close attention to your snake's environment.

Cheap...ugh...be careful of captive hatched babies...and also keep in mind that temperament with most pythons is largely genetic. If you want friendly bloods/STP's, get babies from a breeder who knows their adults & what kind of offspring they throw. You can't stick a price tag on good personality.

K~

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Funny...I know a guy who's been keeping balls longer than you've been alive, and while I'd say he knows them top-to-bottom, I don't even think he'd definitively make that statement.

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Hey, I know that dude ... he's dead sexy!!! :fest:

-adam

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Hey, I know that dude ... he's dead sexy!!! :fest:

-adam

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You know Adam...typically I'd be able to overlook that. And even though I agree with you, you BEST be keepin' your hands off my man come Daytona! ;)

xxoxoxo

K~

ok thank you very much for the NICE response lol ,....i'm not low on money so i will deff be able to afford the cage and the food,, and yes i do plan on geting my blood IF i get it from a breeder where i get all my herps
thanks again for the info

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You know Adam...typically I'd be able to overlook that. And even though I agree with you, you BEST be keepin' your hands off my man come Daytona!

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Not a problem .... you know where my hands will be ... at least until the ju-jitsu beat down begins ... then I curl up into the fetal position and lay on the floor hoping that someone very large *cough*Vaughn*cough* comes to my rescue. :D

:love:

-adam

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Not a problem .... you know where my hands will be ...
:love:

-adam

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Shhhhhh!!!! I thought we agreed not to talk about that in public!!! ;)

do you adults really only eat med rats twice a month?wow from what ive read people feed theirs l extra large rats like once a week

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Originally Posted by python15

ok thank you very much for the NICE response lol ,....i'm not low on money so i will deff be able to afford the cage and the food,, and yes i do plan on geting my blood IF i get it from a breeder where i get all my herps
thanks again for the info

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Let me tell you this....a good Borneo short-tail could absolutely ROCK your world in terms of amazing snake-keeping experience. They are alert, friendly, active snakes that will interact with you if you are willing to meet them on their terms. My friendliest Borneos will not hesitate to take my face off in a feeding response...not their fault, that's just instinct reacting. But once outside the cage, they turn into the biggest, sweetest snuggle-bug snakes you could imagine.

The key with bloods & STP's is to understand what they are & what they aren't, and how to cater to them on those terms. If you do, you'll be rewarded with one of the best experiences you'll ever have when it comes to snake keeping.

They are hands-down some of the coolest animals you'll ever meet!

K~

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Shhhhhh!!!! I thought we agreed not to talk about that in public!!! ;)

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-adam

Dude, ALL I said was that, im not very much into Bloods, as i am Regius.

Ive done SO much studying, caring, working with Regius it's not even funny. And maybe me saying I knew it top to bottom was a bit of an overstatement. But still, for a 15 y/o kid, I know my stuff to probably alot of other ppl my age.

i no their are my fav when it comes to looks,just a qiuck ? which are gerally easyier to get and cheaper[not crappy or anything] between the bloods and borneos?

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do you adults really only eat med rats twice a month?wow from what ive read people feed theirs l extra large rats like once a week

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And that's why the majority of bloods & short-tails in captivity are OBESE!!! These snakes have very slow metabolisms. It kills me to see people packing them full of giant rats & then wondering why their snakes die young, or throw bad clutches of eggs, or both!

Too much fat is as bad for snakes as it is for people. While bloods LOOOOOVE to eat, their bodies are extremely fuel-efficient, so they put their food to good use. In turn, it doesn't take as much to maintain healthy weight on a blood or short-tail as it does on say, a boa or carpet python.

In fact, most snakes in captivity are probably overweight...we've just all gotten used to seeing overweight snakes as "normal" and don't realize the damage we may be doing by consistently feeding big meals.

Feeding a blood big meals week after week is the same as trying to run a Honda Accord on Formula One racing fuel!!!

K~

i was just thinking with a snake that girth it would be eating BIG rats or bunnies but i can easily undertsand them bein obese i'v read they have very slow metabolisms

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Originally Posted by KLG

In fact, most snakes in captivity are probably overweight...we've just all gotten used to seeing overweight snakes as "normal" and don't realize the damage we may be doing by consistently feeding big meals.

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-adam

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Originally Posted by python15

i no their are my fav when it comes to looks,just a qiuck ? which are gerally easyier to get and cheaper[not crappy or anything] between the bloods and borneos?

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It just depends on what you're looking for. I'd say it's actually easier to find a very nice Borneo than it is a super-smokin' blood, because bloods don't really hit their peak colors until they're at least a year or two old. With Borneos, if you have a good idea of what the parents look like, it's easier to pick out nice offspring.

Just be aware that there are a lot of folks who try to pass off farmed babies as USCB stock...keep that in mind while your shopping. Also keep in mind that almost all baby bloods & short-tails tend to be pissy as youngsters, even if they come from super tame parents. A few weeks of calm, gentle, steady handling will quickly take the edge off of nice babies. On the other hand, true hellions may take months or even years to calm down, if they do at all.

K~

yeah the blood i owned was very pissy but only for alittle while holding him for alittle while a day did wonders to him, the only reason i dont have him anymore was becuase he refused meals since the day i bought him, the pet store didnt do anything they basically told me to get lost they didnt care if he died or not so the only thing i could was sell him after that i havent bought anought herp from a pet store i stick to breeders now

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i was just thinking with a snake that girth it would be eating BIG rats or bunnies but i can easily undertsand them bein obese i'v read they have very slow metabolisms

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Nope...

Ignore the "girth rule"...ignore the puppy dog stares...ignore the rush of wind as an open-mouth feeding strike flies past your face.

They DO NOT need giant meals. They THRIVE on smaller meals as adults. Make them big fat slugs & they'll act like big fat slugs...wait till one takes a big fat slug dump on your lap while it's watching TV with you.

This is all stuff I've learned the hard way. ;)

K~

i made a mistake and it will enevr happen again

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i made a mistake and it will enevr happen again

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Well, never say never, but learning from mistakes is a LOT better than repeating the same ones time & again.

Reptile keeping is a learning process from beginning to end. Anyone who tells you they know everything at some point or another...well...find another source of info. ;) If there's nothing left to learn, one can never improve.

i no this is off topic but do you sell borneos or red bloods?

Don't mean to piss anyone off but can you try spell check before posting. Seeing all those typing mistakes makes me want to pull my hair out

It's kind of a bad habit from AOL.

Oh, sorry my bad.

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you tell em dougy lmao but serusly i dont wanna be disrepectful but it wasne tthat big of a deal i was just posting to learn MORE info than i already no from some one who has ALLOT of experience compared to my little

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Then Kara (KLG) is the one you should be listening to. Ever heard of NERD? ;)

[QUOTE=rabernet]Then Kara (KLG) is the one you should be listening to. Ever heard of NERD? ;)[/QUO



i had heard about her but thought she was some one on the forum:oops:

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i had heard about her but thought she was some one on the forum:oops:

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She IS someone on the forum. She also happens to be 1/2 (the prettier half!) of NERD. Believe it or not...a few people here actually know what they're talking about most of the time. ;)