Boa regurged. Does this sound like the cause?

I fed Topaz on Tuesay on a rat pup. It was from the batch that wasn't frozen when it arrived and I am trying to work it out with rodent pro now. All the rats in the bag were frozen in a big block when I took this one out meaning they were thawed when they arrived till I threw them in the freezer. Well this morning he regurged. I havent handled him and his temps are 92 hot side and 76 cool side. This is the only thing I can think of. I have been feeding frozen thawed for over 2 years and this is the first regurge and it was from what I suspected as a bad batch. They are replacing the pups, weanlings, XL and XXL but I think I should request the smalls, mediums, and larges too because I am afraid to feed anything from this batch

Just trying to work this out in my mind. The rats came in already defrosted and you refroze them? Before you refroze you fed one of them off to this boa who has since regurged? I've never ordered from RodentPro so I have no idea of their packaging/shipping methods but when we used to order from The Mouse Factory everything came in individually frozen then packaged, in order words not frozen in a "big block". Just trying to sort out exactly what you meant from your post.

Personally if the order was not rock solid frozen I would have complained my butt off to RodentPro and not fed off any of the shipment as with hot summer weather, it won't take long for anything to start to decompose.

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Originally Posted by frankykeno

Personally if the order was not rock solid frozen I would have complained my butt off to RodentPro and not fed off any of the shipment as with hot summer weather, it won't take long for anything to start to decompose.

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I know I shouldnt' have fed it off. My replacement of pups, weanlings and the XL and XXL sizes was supposed to have shipped out already. I am trying to work it out. I'm dealing with Casey from RP now. When I call later I'm requesting a full replacement and everything from this order goes out. EVERYTHING!!

Oh ya, the order was mosty thawed with no ice. Usually they arrive frozen solid but this order wasn't at all. Maybe being 50 lbs of rats they tried to skip out on the ice, maybe not. Either way in 10 more minutes I'm going to give them a call and get it all sorted out

Hope you can get it all worked out and that the boa is fine.

I would say to anyone out there who gets a shipment of rats or mice that isn't frozen

DO NOT USE THEM AS FEEDERS

(Similarly if your crate of steaks etc arrives thawed - don't eat it)

Shocking that there is another bad order from Rodent Pro. Their quality has suffered over the last year or so.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Shocking that there is another bad order from Rodent Pro. Their quality has suffered over the last year or so.

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Well I can say that since they are working it out I can't complain too much as of now. Waiting for them to give me a call back

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Originally Posted by Pork Chops N' Corn Bread

Well I can say that since they are working it out I can't complain too much as of now. Waiting for them to give me a call back

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Good to hear!

We used to use these folks http://www.themousefactory.com/

Edna is a great lady and a wonderful help. Can't say enough about the quality of their product and shipping.

I used RodentPro for 2-3yrs and never had a single complaint, every shipment was flawless.

That was until late last year into early this year on three-four shipments. I noticed the rats were coming in smaller than before, shipments were coming in thawed Vs always being rock solid, heads were falling off, rats breaking in 1/2, rats with large gashes along the mid sections or missing limbs.

I'm not sure if they fell under new management or what, but their quality just went down the drain! Needless to say, I stopped using them...

I've also noticed they are now always having some type of sale on a large scale. Before it would be maybe 2-3 sizes of rats or mice on sale, now I see 5-6-8 sizes of rats and mice for sale.

As for the regurge, just let him relax for 12-14 days and do not feed during this period. Make sure you have fresh water at all times and keep the temps up. Also the cool side temp is a bit too low, I would get that up to 79-80F.

Ya, the tub is getting small anyways so he'll be moved up to a bigger tub probably in another month

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Originally Posted by ssscales

I used RodentPro for 2-3yrs and never had a single complaint, every shipment was flawless.

That was until late last year into early this year on three-four shipments. I noticed the rats were coming in smaller than before, shipments were coming in thawed Vs always being rock solid, heads were falling off, rats breaking in 1/2, rats with large gashes along the mid sections or missing limbs.

I'm not sure if they fell under new management or what, but their quality just went down the drain! Needless to say, I stopped using them...

I've also noticed they are now always having some type of sale on a large scale. Before it would be maybe 2-3 sizes of rats or mice on sale, now I see 5-6-8 sizes of rats and mice for sale.

As for the regurge, just let him relax for 12-14 days and do not feed during this period. Make sure you have fresh water at all times and keep the temps up. Also the cool side temp is a bit too low, I would get that up to 79-80F.

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I had the same type of experience with them. No problems until last year. Then rats with heads broken off and horrible urine and feces soaked rats. I was later told that they were using other breeders to fill orders and that accounted for the size and quality differences. Not sure if they have fixed that but I for one wont take a chance on it. I like my suppliers.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

I had the same type of experience with them. No problems until last year. Then rats with heads broken off and horrible urine and feces soaked rats. I was later told that they were using other breeders to fill orders and that accounted for the size and quality differences. Not sure if they have fixed that but I for one wont take a chance on it. I like my suppliers.

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I have been hearing more and more complaints over the past year too. Its wierd. I will probably not have to order frozen again since I should have lots of breeding rats in the near future but if I do I'll try someone else

They said that since the smalls, mediums, and larges were still cool that they should be ok. They better hope they are.....
This is the replacements that should be here today


25 Rats: Pups $0.000 $0.00 25 Rats: Weaned $0.000 $0.00 6 Rats: Extra Large (XL) $0.000 $0.00 16 Rats: Double Extra Large (XXL) $0.000 $0.00 http://www.rodentpro.com/images/email/inveml_foot_l.gif sub total: $0.00 tax: $0.00 s&h: $0.00 order total: $0.00

I havent ordered any frozen feeders online..I am fortunate enough to be able to get them from a local guy. I have so many different sized prey I need at different times, it's easier/cheaper to order locally. However, Im ashamed to admit I've been so broke lately, Ive had to go to PetCo..

I have heard a few stories lately re: thawed/damaged orders from Rodent Pro..
Dont know what the deal is. From my understanding, they are good about replacing the orders though. Still frustrating in the meantime.

Good luck Jake!

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Originally Posted by amercnwmn

I havent ordered any frozen feeders online..I am fortunate enough to be able to get them from a local guy. I have so many different sized prey I need at different times, it's easier/cheaper to order locally. However, Im ashamed to admit I've been so broke lately, Ive had to go to PetCo..

I have heard a few stories lately re: thawed/damaged orders from Rodent Pro..
Dont know what the deal is. From my understanding, they are good about replacing the orders though. Still frustrating in the meantime.

Good luck Jake!

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Thanks Courtney!! Your the greatest

So in other words they are thawed but still "cool" so they "should" be okay? Again it's just me but if I buy a product, whether it's frozen rats or a bicycle, I want what I paid good money for. "Should be okay" wouldn't be enough for me when it comes to feeding my snakes and to me frozen/thawed means the prey best be frozen when it comes to my door not already thawed out. Unfortunately, they only way you're going to find out they weren't "okay" is when you feed them off and either your snakes are okay or they aren't. I'd be very careful to watch if you use these that when you do eventually rethaw and warm them they have no stink of decomp going on.

i would raise those temps. on the warm side it should be within 3 degrees of 90. on the cool side it should be between 79-83. 75 is not acceptable and you will start having Respatory infections. as for the regurg these things happen sometimes. i would wait at least 2 weeks before i tried to feed again then i would feed a rodent that is half the size that you snake normally eats. for at least 3-4 feedings or until you snake takes a big healthy bowl movment. best of luck bro keep us posted.
matt

i wouldn't use the product myself.

it's kinda like feeding your kids... would you give them something that may or may not be safe?

and - if it isn't safe and causes a problem in your snakes... who's paying the vet bills?

Well according to them they "should" be ok since they were still partially frozen and I think that since they already sent out 1 replacement order they don't want to send out a second one too

It could of just been a coincidence too, snakes eat already dead prey anway. BUT, yeah, it could be the rat you fed off being the sole culprit. One of the reasons I'm so glad I breed my own feeders, but unfortunately for some people you just can't for whatever reason.

Hope all goes ok!

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Originally Posted by Sputnik

It could of just been a coincidence too, snakes eat already dead prey anway. BUT, yeah, it could be the rat you fed off being the sole culprit. One of the reasons I'm so glad I breed my own feeders, but unfortunately for some people you just can't for whatever reason.

Hope all goes ok!

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Thanks, Some snakes eat carion like garters and water snakes but I don't think boas are one of those species that eat carion. Going to pick up my replacemnt order. They said they packed it with extra ice and i said "imagine if you did that with the first order..." lmao Well I guess the pups and the weaned I have already are getting thrown out. We'll have to see when he gets up to smalls in a few more months.
I'm starting to breed my own rats when we get into our new house in sept. Since the reptile room will be vented directally outside, smell shouldn't be too much of a problem

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Originally Posted by frankykeno

So in other words they are thawed but still "cool" so they "should" be okay? Again it's just me but if I buy a product, whether it's frozen rats or a bicycle, I want what I paid good money for.

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That is the bottom line. We all work hard for our cash and you "Should" expect to get what you paid for and expect good quality!

the replacement order came in. Double wrapped in insulation and still FROZEN SOLID!! If only they did that last time then they wouldn't have to deal with me anymore!! lol

Glad to hear you got some decent stuff this time!

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Originally Posted by Sputnik

Glad to hear you got some decent stuff this time!

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I havent fully unpacked it yet either....I think they left the ice out last time. There is usually brown paper that the ice is wrapped in and the last order didn't have it. This order does....Hmmm. I wonder why they told me the last order had 20 lbs of it

Glad you got it sorted, Jake. Like Courtney, I the bulk of my herp order is locusts so I get that delivered, but the rodents I like to buy myself from my local reptile shop. I guess if anyone has multiple monitors it wouldn't work out so well though.

My hognose had a regurge about a month ago - but that was due to her going into shed.