het albino pair or a pastel Female

OK guys.. here is the deal. I dont know weather to get a het albino pair or a pastel female.. what would you all do. I have enough money to get either one but i cant decide what one to get

right I have purchased 2 normal .1 and a 100% het ghost1.0... all breeding size. I am going to purchase a het ghost .1 for the above male

well let me know what you think

thanks

Go with your gut man. It's cool to get a visual morph right away with the pastel, but maybe waiting a few years and having an albino hatch out would be well worth the wait.

Maybe with the het ghosts your purchasing, you might want to mix things up by adding a co-dom pastel to the group.

If you're doing this for fun, not profit, try to just go for whatever morph makes you more excited...
Sry if I haven't helped at all. :)

Justin

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Originally Posted by jkobylka

Go with your gut man. It's cool to get a visual morph right away with the pastel, but maybe waiting a few years and having an albino hatch out would be well worth the wait.

Maybe with the het ghosts your purchasing, you might want to mix things up by adding a co-dom pastel to the group.

If you're doing this for fun, not profit, try to just go for whatever morph makes you more excited...
Sry if I haven't helped at all. :)

Justin

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LOL.. you sound like the voices inside my head right now.. This really is going to be for fun. AHHHHH what to do the albino would be cool as I really want to do pieds one day. Damn i hate this... not enough money in my pocket to fill all of what i want to do.


and the debate cont... well between the crazy asss voices in my head :tricho:

Justin is dead on. Go with what you love. As has been said before, if you aren't psyched about the project, you are going to dread all the cleaning and feeding that needs to be done.

in addition to the above, you have 2 girls breeding size? i would buy a pastel male that is close to breeding size say 400 grams or so. you could get him 600-800 grams by winter if he eats well. breed the pastel to the 2 girls make babies and trade up with the babies, for what you like. as for the pieds, find you a 100% het male, and make your own poss. het girls and start your quest for pieds. if you look enough and shop around you might be able to get the pastel male and het pied male for close to the same price as an albino het pr. or a female pastel. my thoughts.



vaughn

If you're going to be investing money with the intention of breeding snakes for profit, what you are really doing is starting a business.

Any business is doomed to fail without a plan. I would encourage you to sit down a write a business plan. There is a ton of good information on the internet about writing business plans. It doesn't have to be anything fancy, but it should lay out your goals and projected income/losses for at least the next 1, 3, and 5 years.

By actually sitting down and putting a plan on paper, it will be much easier to see what makes sense as far as purchases when it comes to fitting what you want to work with along with making a return on your investment.

-adam

Like adam said, rather that running out and buying animals on a whim you really should sit down and figure out exactly what you like and what you want to accomplish. I recently purchased a pastel, 3 breeding pairs, and 2 normal females and I spent hours drawing charts and writing down exactly what I want to keep, sell, or trade out of each potential clutch to get where I want to be. The proposed plan covers 7-10 years and has me endinging up with 18 snakes in total. If you don't figure out exactly what you like and what you want to do your going to end up buyng animals you have no use for or that don't really fit into your plans.

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

If you're going to be investing money with the intention of breeding snakes for profit, what you are really doing is starting a business.

Any business is doomed to fail without a plan. I would encourage you to sit down a write a business plan. There is a ton of good information on the internet about writing business plans. It doesn't have to be anything fancy, but it should lay out your goals and projected income/losses for at least the next 1, 3, and 5 years.

By actually sitting down and putting a plan on paper, it will be much easier to see what makes sense as far as purchases when it comes to fitting what you want to work with along with making a return on your investment.

-adam

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this is for fun, that is all. I have play money and that is what i intend to do. Play and have a great time and have a hobby I enjoy. If i don't like it or it is too much then i will sell them all.
I am in my final year of anesthsia residency; so, snake breeding is not what i will rely on to put food on the table. I want to do this for pure enjoyment nothing more..

With that said, yes I have writen all of it down and planned it ... I really dont think i could be as far as i am in my career if i didnt. Not sure how many of you are in med school but it takes alot of dedication and planning. That is what this thread is about, dont ya think? Helpingme with the plan?.. these are questions i have that i am toying with for the great "plan"

.. I wont get into the high end of breeding until i start making that nice anesthsia pay :). then i can buy what ever I want. That is why i am doing this now. I am starting with the lower end of the ball spectrum so I can learn how to breed these guys right and get over that learing curve..

again this is fun for me.. the reason i ask questions like i did is, i enjoy seeing what others like and have had fun with or get some ideas from them... it helps me think through "my plan" and maybe tweek it a little. I have a plan everytime i put someone to sleep for surgery but that doenst mean i stick to it when their heart goes asystole..

Chris

I think everyone is telling you to make a plan because it appears that you are purchasing snakes and then asking questions about them rather than the other way around. You have a female ghost and plan on getting a male. That will work well, but you also have two females. If you got a pastel male you could breed him to the two females and that would also work well. If on the other hand you got the het albino pair, the two females would just be sitting around taking up space for the most part. I wouldn't buy anything else until you know exactly what you want out of these animals.

PS- The whole "i'm in med-school so I know what I'm doing" thing just makes you look like a tool.

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Originally Posted by AK4900PA

I think everyone is telling you to make a plan because it appears that you are purchasing snakes and then asking questions about them rather than the other way around. You have a female ghost and plan on getting a male. That will work well, but you also have two females. If you got a pastel male you could breed him to the two females and that would also work well. If on the other hand you got the het albino pair, the two females would just be sitting around taking up space for the most part. I wouldn't buy anything else until you know exactly what you want out of these animals.

PS- The whole "i'm in med-school so I know what I'm doing" thing just makes you look like a tool.

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Calling someone out as a tool based on a few posts is a little judgemental.

I've discussed things with Sevo and i think it is obvious that he is taking a learning approach to all of this. He has ideas, he is forming a plan, he is asking advice and opinions. I do see he has already purchased some snakes, but maybe he is taking a step back and trying to form a solid plan at this point, encompassing hypos and whatever else he choosed. He has already given a general outline. He has 2 normal females, and plans on completing a het hypo pair. I would say the next step is Pastels because of hypo pastels, but really it is up to him, and I'm sure he will take everyone's advice and make a decision based on what he thinks and the input he has received.

For someone who is looking at this as a hobby, some planning is needed, but its for fun, buy what you want, make what you want, and if you end up having delays/more costs, as long as its a hobby you can roll with that and not be stressed.

Business vs hobby is a big difference.

And yes, mentioning that he is completing med-school may seem a bit presumptious if used as a trump card, but I think he was just trying to give a window into his world, and point of view. He is an educated, intelligent person, asking for advice, and apparently has the money to invest in morph as a hobby, so we should take that information and go from there when giving advice.

just my .02

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Originally Posted by Sevo

OK guys.. here is the deal. I dont know weather to get a het albino pair or a pastel female.. what would you all do. I have enough money to get either one but i cant decide what one to get

right I have purchased 2 normal .1 and a 100% het ghost1.0... all breeding size. I am going to purchase a het ghost .1 for the above male

well let me know what you think

thanks

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If you have a little extra money and want to get into albinos to build your projects, I woudl recommend an albino male, and 3 possible het females.. The postives of this? All of your normal looking offspring will be 100% het, no extra time exerted trying to prove them out. On average you will get more albinos from this, and more het albino snakes, and if you then breed the 100% het females back to the father you end up with a lot of albinos your next time around.

As far as getting a pastel female, with those normals a pastel male might be a good choice and then you will end up producing a few pastels sooner... the female would be nice, but you would need a male and a plan. A male normal to a female pastel is a waste, a het hypo male to a female pastel would produce pastels that are 50% het, and normals that are 50% het for hypo, or a hypo male to a female pastel would produce pastels that are 100% het for hypo and normals that are 100% het for hypo

Lots of fun choices, just pick something and go with it.

A guy's who has possible het female's for albino? Sevo I would go with what Kavmon said Pastel male 3 female's instant result's.

I think that may have been taken the wrong way. I did not intend to imply that he IS a tool, just that talking like that can make you appear that way. It was not meant to be offensivie as much as it was just some constructive criticism. I personally have some very similiar goals to Sevo in regards to breeding an wish him all the luck with it.

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Originally Posted by AK4900PA

PS- The whole "i'm in med-school so I know what I'm doing" thing just makes you look like a tool.

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Hmmmm, then what does your quote make you! Ahh never mind dont bother firing off the synaps or wasting the ATP to type, i think you covered it. Man nothing was constructive about your comment.. well i guess it helped me construct an opion of you and the merit of your comments on this board . No worries... we all dont make the right decisions sometimes. just dont bash those who strive to make their lives better.

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Originally Posted by SnakeySnakeSnake

Calling someone out as a tool based on a few posts is a little judgemental.

I've discussed things with Sevo and i think it is obvious that he is taking a learning approach to all of this. He has ideas, he is forming a plan, he is asking advice and opinions. I do see he has already purchased some snakes, but maybe he is taking a step back and trying to form a solid plan at this point, encompassing hypos and whatever else he choosed. He has already given a general outline. He has 2 normal females, and plans on completing a het hypo pair. I would say the next step is Pastels because of hypo pastels, but really it is up to him, and I'm sure he will take everyone's advice and make a decision based on what he thinks and the input he has received.

For someone who is looking at this as a hobby, some planning is needed, but its for fun, buy what you want, make what you want, and if you end up having delays/more costs, as long as its a hobby you can roll with that and not be stressed.

Business vs hobby is a big difference.

And yes, mentioning that he is completing med-school may seem a bit presumptious if used as a trump card, but I think he was just trying to give a window into his world, and point of view. He is an educated, intelligent person, asking for advice, and apparently has the money to invest in morph as a hobby, so we should take that information and go from there when giving advice.

just my .02

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Bryan,
Thanks for the great reply. You hit the nail on the head about the med school thing. I thought maybe since i was the new guy I would give you some personal information you cant get from just loking at the screen. Just to let people know who I was mentally and not just some crazy guy spending his life savings...


To everyone else, thanks for all of the great replies. I will go with the pastel male and one more female. Again, this is supposed to be fun no strings attached. If it doesnt work out or I dont breed them well as bryan said it will cost me some cash... but thats ok as most fun things do ;).. I know I have wasted plenty of money on beer and women and still have better odds with the snakes

I will post some pics when i get em

Chris

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Originally Posted by Sevo

If i don't like it or it is too much then i will sell them all.

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That's cool. Personally, I'm not as cavalier about choosing to take living creatures into my care, but to each their own. :D

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Originally Posted by Sevo

I really dont think i could be as far as i am in my career if i didnt.

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I have no idea who you are or how far you are in your "career". I gave advice based on my experience breeding and selling these animals. I work with people like yourself all the time and the people that do the best with their animals are the ones that make a plan. Was I supposed to know that you were well along in a "career" before I posted my response?

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Originally Posted by Sevo

Not sure how many of you are in med school but it takes alot of dedication and planning.

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How does that have anything to do with you soliciting for opinions on what type of breeding project you would like to invest in? I don't think anyone questioned your dedication and planning, so I don't understand the need to bring it up?

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Originally Posted by Sevo

That is what this thread is about, dont ya think?

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At this point, I have no idea what this thread is about?

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Originally Posted by Sevo

I wont get into the high end of breeding until i start making that nice anesthsia pay :). then i can buy what ever I want. That is why i am doing this now. I am starting with the lower end of the ball spectrum so I can learn how to breed these guys right and get over that learing curve.

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Well, since you are choosing to start on the lower end of the "ball spectrum" and as you stated above ... If i don't like it or it is too much then i will sell them all. ... and you seem to not know where you really want to be as far as morphs go, maybe a nice pair of normals would be a better start? I mean, if it really is "fun" for you.

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Originally Posted by Sevo

I have a plan everytime i put someone to sleep for surgery but that doenst mean i stick to it when their heart goes asystole..

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So, purely out of curiosity, how many times has that happened to you? :D

ROCK ON! ;)

-adam

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

That's cool. Personally, I'm not as cavalier about choosing to take living creatures into my care, but to each their own. :D



I have no idea who you are or how far you are in your "career". I gave advice based on my experience breeding and selling these animals. I work with people like yourself all the time and the people that do the best with their animals are the ones that make a plan. Was I supposed to know that you were well along in a "career" before I posted my response?



How does that have anything to do with you soliciting for opinions on what type of breeding project you would like to invest in? I don't think anyone questioned your dedication and planning, so I don't understand the need to bring it up?



At this point, I have no idea what this thread is about?



Well, since you are choosing to start on the lower end of the "ball spectrum" and as you stated above ... If i don't like it or it is too much then i will sell them all. ... and you seem to not know where you really want to be as far as morphs go, maybe a nice pair of normals would be a better start? I mean, if it really is "fun" for you.



So, purely out of curiosity, how many times has that happened to you? :D

ROCK ON! ;)

-adam

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again, play nice in the sand box adam.. I was going to quote and do all that crap with your post but i really dont have time... Some of the stuff you questioned would be answered if you would just reread your previous post.

I will comment on the part where i said "i will just sell them", since you brought it up twice. There is this neat term in the language we speak and its called tongue- in -cheek.. not for sure if you know what it means so here is a link to the explination http://dictionary.reference.com/sear...ongue-in-cheek.. its ok, not everything is so literal.. relax man, i think i saw your northern light post to someone.. thought you were on another level.. LOL

about the asystole, has happened alot, i have been doing this for 5 years now. .. hell everytime you do anesthesia for open heart the heart needs shocked and re synchronized.. and the occational knife and or bullet to the chest will do it as well

Thanks for the great reply. i enjoyed all of the quotes.. strong work.

oh hell i forgot, i dont want normals, thats not very fun ..Plus , then i could never be as cool as you :fishslap:

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Originally Posted by Sevo

play nice in the sand box adam.

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LMAO ... It's obvious that you don't yet know that that's not how I roll. :cool: ;)

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There is this neat term in the language we speak and its called tongue- in -cheek.. not for sure if you know what it means so here is a link to the explination http://dictionary.reference.com/sear...ongue-in-cheek.

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In your failed attempt to be condescending, you obviously didn't read the words on the webpage that you linked to ... if you had, you'd see the second definition says:

adj : cleverly amusing in tone; "a bantering tone";

Now, I'm no 3rd year anesthesiology resident, but when I am properly firing off my synapses and not wasting the Adenosine triphosphate (ATP) to comprehend language and communication even I can figure out that it is impossible to convey "tone" via an internet message board.

In all my years of speaking the language and posting on internet message boards I am confounded as to how the text ....

"If i don't like it or it is too much then i will sell them all."

is supposed to be interpreted as "tongue-in-cheek" or how anyone would be able to determine that the intention of the statement was to be "cleverly amusing" instead of factual or serious. Maybe it's something I could have learned had I gone to med school? Unfortunately, doctors don't make enough money for my liking. ;)

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Plus , then i could never be as cool as you

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Well if that's your goal kid, you've got some work to do ... You go from posting 4 days ago that you've been a member of the site for 2 days and now you're suddenly interested in ball python breeding (in this thread ... http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...67&postcount=1) to wanting to be "as cool as me"? ... Whatever that means? ... LMFAO!! ... Well ROCK ON with your bad self! ;) ... See me in 25 years and I'll let you know if you're close Ricky. :cool: :sweeet:

Good luck with all that! :rockon:

-adam

Ok, play nice boys. :rolleyes: I really don't care who started it, because I'm ending it. *said in best mom voice* :zerb: (and please no name calling)

Let's all go :carouse: and call it a night huh?

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Ok, play nice boys. :rolleyes: I really don't care who started it, because I'm ending it. *said in best mom voice* :zerb: (and please no name calling)

Let's all go :carouse: and call it a night huh?

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Anything for you my dear .... :love: :love: ... but next time could we skip the mom voice? Total mood killer. ;) :date:

-adam

Hey I can't help the mom voice sometimes, but I'll try and remember . :blowkiss: