Posting links to other forums

nice looking animals, I was just checking them out earlier today.




OT: why can't links to other forums be posted?? I'm sure I have before and hope its not "competition" thing >(

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Originally Posted by TekWarren

OT: why can't links to other forums be posted?? I'm sure I have before and hope its not "competition" thing >(

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It is in our TOS.
http://www.ball-pythons.net/modules....q=yes&id_cat=5

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2. No advertising on the site without prior arrangement with the Admin Council. This includes, but may not be limited to, starting threads with the specific purpose of attracting visitors to any commercial or competing site or forum or sending PMs to more than one member in a week for the same purpose.

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um...thanks but that doesn't answer the question. Surely its clear that the link was not intended for any of the reasons in rule 2 or any other rule that mentions posting links to other sites.

I find it especially hard to believe that KS would be considered a "competing" site LOL

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...sorry I'll let it be, its just that things like this urk the heck out of me...why not spread the word about other resources. Especially in this case when that wasn't even the point...it was just pics.


**sorry to thread crap.

No I think the rule is you can't post any pictures that do not belong to you (i.e., you took the picture of your animal or you have permission from the person who took the picture because you are buying the snake). You can post links to pictures, but not post the actual picture itself.

OH!! ok slap me retarted I was looking from the wrong angle!


...although JLC did say this:

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EDIT by JLC: Can't post links to another forum. Sorry.

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*SLAP!* ;)

just kidding :grouphug:

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Originally Posted by TekWarren

OH!! ok slap me retarted I was looking from the wrong angle!


...although JLC did say this:

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You were right. The original post was a link to KS and not a pic. It was changed to link to the Breeders site with the pics.

I'm not trying to start anything... just clarifying.
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not a problem...i should have kept quiet its not even my thread...just my mind trying to over analyze.

I split this over here. It was hijacking the other thread.

....go on kingsnake and try linking a thread on this site in a thread on kingsnake and see how long it takes for your post to be pulled and a warning to be sent to you by them saying that if it happens again you will be banned.

If we refered everyone to another forum, what discussion would happen here?

I nominate myself the offical BP.net spanker for all people who break the rules! Let the spankings commence!

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Originally Posted by cassandra

I nominate myself the offical BP.net spanker for all people who break the rules! Let the spankings commence!

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Dibs on first in line! :P

Wow, who would have thunk that we could have hijacked the hijacked thread so fast?

chill Daniel ;) I figured the mentality was as such. I am dissapointed that another forum had to be used for comparison "well so and so forum does it..." This forum is not KS so why even compare? I've found forum communities will build themselves and last longer when letting the community develop itself rather than imitating others. I've built and run forums for quite a few years and never have I been so restrictive as to not allow links to other sites...and never has the user base disintegrated. If people don't want to be here...they won't be here. "Hiding" links to other forums is not going to prevent people from finding them and I find it childish personally.

Again all that debate aside the post still did not go against any hard rules here. It clearly states no posting for the sole purpose of recruiting...and clearly the link was for images the user was trying to share. Even so people are always saying learn as much as you can...but then this happens and links to other potentially informative sites are removed???

Not trying to be an arse like I said I have a LOT of experience in the "behind the scenes" of running forums over the years and things need to made clear to the users.

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Originally Posted by TekWarren

chill Daniel ;) I figured the mentality was as such. I am dissapointed that another forum had to be used for comparison "well so and so forum does it..." This forum is not KS so why even compare? I've found forum communities will build themselves and last longer when letting the community develop itself rather than imitating others. I've built and run forums for quite a few years and never have I been so restrictive as to not allow links to other sites...and never has the user base disintegrated. If people don't want to be here...they won't be here. "Hiding" links to other forums is not going to prevent people from finding them and I find it childish personally.

Again all that debate aside the post still did not go against any hard rules here. It clearly states no posting for the sole purpose of recruiting...and clearly the link was for images the user was trying to share. Even so people are always saying learn as much as you can...but then this happens and links to other potentially informative sites are removed???

Not trying to be an arse like I said I have a LOT of experience in the "behind the scenes" of running forums over the years and things need to made clear to the users.

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First off...this site does not "imitate" Kingsnake. It's about as far from KS as a forum can get. From the get-go, BP.net has been a unique, stand-alone site that makes a concerted effort to be different from your standard Internet forum of any topic. To use the example of "KS doesn't allow links to other sites" is to merely show that because others do it, maybe there is a good reason for it.

Second off....we're hardly trying to hide the fact that other forums exist. We discuss KS all the time...and links to their classifies are allowed. We dicuss fauna all the time, and links to their BOI are also allowed....because we cannot currently provide that same depth of service and we have no intention of hiding it from our members. You may have plenty of "behind the scenes" experience on other forums or even your own...but you have zero "behind the scenes" experience on this forum, and therefore are in no position to try and explain our motivations for any particular rule.

There was a time when links to other forums were allowed...and a few people took advantage of that and spammed other sites and made concerted efforts to taunt people away. The admin and staff made a decision to not allow any links to specifically "competing" forums in order to stop this. It's not a fun rule to maintain and none of us enjoy that kind of modding. But have you even bothered to notice that while other sites may delete entire posts and/or give warnings and bans for the same infraction...we here go to the effort of editing the post to leave as much of it intact as possible and give a gentle reminder to not do it. How the heck is that "imitating KS?"

There are tons of rules that must be enforced in order to keep this site as unique as it is. The rules are there to provide the staff a solid guideline of what is and is not allowed...so that, as much as possible, we can avoid the scenes of "Well, you allowed JoeBob to link, so why can't I?"

I appreciate your presence here at BP.net. You're a valuable part of the community. But BP.net does not and will not revolve around your ideas of how it should...nor the ideas of any single member. If you or anyone has a sincere suggestion of a way to make BP.net a better site, please feel free to send a PM to any admin or mod and we will take it under consideration. But these sorts of assumptions about why we do something you disagree with do nothing to help.

wow...without trying to flame the fire that people are taking offense to here are some comments:

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First off...this site does not "imitate" Kingsnake. It's about as far from KS as a forum can get. From the get-go, BP.net has been a unique, stand-alone site that makes a concerted effort to be different from your standard Internet forum of any topic. To use the example of "KS doesn't allow links to other sites" is to merely show that because others do it, maybe there is a good reason for it.

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I never said BP.net imitates anyone...In fact I said "why compare..." This site is unique your right...Its specialized and a tight community of BP keepers.

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Second off....we're hardly trying to hide the fact that other forums exist. We discuss KS all the time...and links to their classifies are allowed. We dicuss fauna all the time, and links to their BOI are also allowed....because we cannot currently provide that same depth of service and we have no intention of hiding it from our members. You may have plenty of "behind the scenes" experience on other forums or even your own...but you have zero "behind the scenes" experience on this forum, and therefore are in no position to try and explain our motivations for any particular rule.

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I was slightly out of line I suppose saying that other resources are hidden. But I also mentioned the clarity of the rules that where assumed to be applying (or not) to the OP. The rule(s) state no links soley intented for recruiting or taking members away. It was clear, at least to me that the OP was posting a link for images...not for any other reason. I mentioned this in an earlier post also and wondered just how it violated any rules. I also fail to see where I attempted to explain the motivations of the admin/mod team?? I am simply trying to clarify what I as a MEMBER *didn't* see as a rule violation. No I don't have behind the scenes as experience here but I've had more than enough to know the issues and genre of issues general forum communities come across no matter what the focus. -The original comment I made on that was to be read as I know how rules are not always clear to the member base and the importance of making them clear...nothing more than that!

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I appreciate your presence here at BP.net. You're a valuable part of the community. But BP.net does not and will not revolve around your ideas of how it should...nor the ideas of any single member. If you or anyone has a sincere suggestion of a way to make BP.net a better site, please feel free to send a PM to any admin or mod and we will take it under consideration. But these sorts of assumptions about why we do something you disagree with do nothing to help.

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First you say you value my presence and then criticize me for being unclear on a rule by saying bp.net won't revolve around my ideas?? I don't remember telling anyone here how I think things should be run. Yes I did say how I felt about the incident and I did use the word "childish" to describe them but I am not finding where I mentioned it should be changed or run some other way based on what I think.

I hope no one is getting personal with this whole thing, I am certainly not. I will debate things sometimes...even sometimes when I shouldn't. I hope this isn't upsetting you personally JLC, I am simply being open and honest as member of this site and mean no disrespect. I know how much time and effort goes into maintaining communities such as this and you are all respected for that.

Does it really even matter? :carrot:

-adam

I say link away to kingsnake forums. Just 10 minutes over there makes my eyes hurt and I come running back to bps.net every time......

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

Does it really even matter? :carrot:

-adam

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Heh...probably not. But the obsessive compulsive side of me wants everything to be as clear as possible. :rolleyes: I'll try one more time, and then just drop it.

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Originally Posted by TOS

4. Links. Links to other sites/forums that provide competing products (Caresheets, Do It Yourself, etc) and resources and the like are not permitted.

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Period. While the end of that clause may say that we don't want our userbase "hijacked," that is not a condition of the rule. Such links are not permitted, regardless of intent, because we, as human beings, can never be sure of someone else's motivations.

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I never said BP.net imitates anyone...

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I've found forum communities will build themselves and last longer when letting the community develop itself rather than imitating others.

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Why say this, if not to imply that we are somehow imitating others to the detriment of our own site?

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I also fail to see where I attempted to explain the motivations of the admin/mod team??

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I figured the mentality was as such. I am dissapointed that another forum had to be used for comparison "well so and so forum does it..."

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And here you show that you believe our motivation for not allowing links is simply because someone others do the same thing. Whether that is what you meant or not...that is how it comes across. Condescending at the very least.

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I don't remember telling anyone here how I think things should be run.

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I've built and run forums for quite a few years and never have I been so restrictive as to not allow links to other sites...and never has the user base disintegrated. If people don't want to be here...

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Definitely seems to be saying "Well, if you'd just do it MY way, we wouldn't have these problems..." Again, you may not have meant it that way, but that is how it comes across and that is what I am responding to.

The whole thing is not particularly upsetting to me...so much as it is rubbing that itchy spot that demands that things be clarified. It is not my intent in the least to "flame" anyone, and I don't believe I have done so. I think most anyone here would agree that I'm about the "least-flaming" person you'd meet on a forum. But when you make a post that comes across as condescending and seems to be trying to muddy the waters even more about a difficult rule to enforce....that demands an answer, at least from me.

So there ya go. Not a flame. Just an answer. And if you want to pick this one apart and start a he-said/she-said game....go right ahead. But I think I've said all that needs to be said by me on this particular subject. I welcome PM's if anyone feels the need to continue this discussion with me personally.

Ouch. Reading all this made my head hurt. Where da Advil at?

Margaritas.

Mi Pueblo.

8 minutes - c'mon.

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It does not matter to me what kind of link anyone posts to other forums, my patronage will always be to bp.net. I think that if you stay around the game long enough, you will eventually find out about all the other forums anyway. Ultimately it's the community and its wealth of information that will keep a person coming back for more and not a simple link or some kind of a sales pitch.

I used to peek in on some of the other forums and I must say that they give me a headache most of the time rather than letting me learn anything or enjoy my stay. Who needs that kind of stress anyway?

Anywho I forget the point of my rant and just wanna say a big :salute: to bp.net and thank everyone for keeping it a pleasant place to keep coming back to again. :sunny:

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Originally Posted by Smulkin

Margaritas.

Mi Pueblo.

8 minutes - c'mon.

:grouphug:

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I don't think I can make it by 12:02 man. Maybe tomorrow...if I leave now.

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Originally Posted by Smulkin

Margaritas.

Mi Pueblo.

8 minutes - c'mon.

:grouphug:

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Ditto! :sunny: :carrot:

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Originally Posted by Smulkin

Margaritas.

Mi Pueblo.

8 minutes - c'mon.

:grouphug:

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Que bueno! I'll bring the ceviche y cervezas!

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Originally Posted by KLG

Que bueno! I'll bring the ceviche y cervezas!

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mmmm cervezas! :)

Sadly this in fact points out the shameful and appaling lack of a margarita smiley . . . . I am clearly asleep on the job!



SIESTA

This policy has been revised:

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Originally Posted by FAQ/ToS

While we do allow linking to other sources, please do so only if the information is not already available here at BPNet and only for the purposes of promoting reasonable and appropriate discussion. Linking for the purpose of slamming another forum, indvidual or any other inflammatory action will not be tolerated.

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AS constables and peacekeepers and drama-intolerant types - seriously mind that last statement!