Help pls

Ok well i just got this snake from my neighbor and i got no clue why does my snake has this under the belly and someone help me pls thx

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i hope someone can help me and if noone can then im going to bring him to the vet

Ohhhh geez hon....don't stop here! Get that poor thing to a VET right now!!

Hi,


It's a bit hard to be certain but looks like either scale rot or a burn (my eyes are almost as blurry as the camera).

But I'd have to say if it was mine I'd be half way to the vets by now.


All new animals need a check up anyway so it's not like it would be an uneccessary trip if he said nothing was wrong (and he won't) cos that looks like it hurts.

You might want to find out what your neighbour did to it to make sure it never happens again.

and welcome to the forum - now go get the vet to help that poor little thing.



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the vet is closed right now >_< and the only time i will have is saturday cuz i got skool tomorrow and im finishing at 5pm and the vet closes at 5pm >_< and im broke so i will need to ask my parents to lend me money i would like to know if anyone knows around how much would it cost well I will bring him to the vet asap thats for sure

Absolutely! That poor thing needs a vet ASAP!

AHHH polak im so dissappointed in you :( If you didn't have time for it when u bought it then maybe u shouldnt have gotten it :(

but the thing is the 2 weeks i had it i had exams and stuff but now that im done with them i got all the time

Find a 24 hour emergency vet if possible. You need to get him in today or tomorrow at the latest, even if you have to take off school.

i cant miss skool and theres no 24hr vet and i will go asap saturday

Tell us where you are located and just maybe someone from here will be both close enough AND willing to take on the enormous responsibility of rescuing and rehabbing such a deeply injured snake. That is no small task....nor an inexpensive on. That poor snake needs someone with both time and money right now.

i live in montreal canda

polak,

talk to your parents and explain to them that your snake really needs to see a vet, then call around to find a vet who works with snakes and ask them how much a visit will cost.

take this one step at a time and don't feel bad... everyone has to learn!

in light,
Aleesha

Hi again,

Ok if your folks dont agree to take you to the vets and have time of school to do it (and I really ,really hope they do), then theres a couple of things to be aware of.

I'd keep the poor thing on something sterile and easily cleaned (newspaper at a push). At no point in time try and pull the loose shed skin hanging from it's belly - it's very likely you would open up the wound and provide another point for infection etc.

Make sure the tank is kept at the proper temperatures - the caresheets on this site will tell you what those should be.

I hope she pulls through - keep us posted if you can.And if someone on this board has better advice to give about care before he manages to get to the vets could they sing out as I've never had to deal with anything like that and hope never to have to.

In Britain we have an organization that will treat animals whose owners cannot afford regular vets for a donation (I think they are called the P.D.S.A) of generally about £5.It might be worth looking for something similar in Canada if it would speed up getting the treatment started.


dr del

money wise i will get money thats not the big thing right now i found a reptile vet in my area now the only thing i can do is wait until saturday morning at 10am thats when im going to go to the vets cuz thats what time it opens and i got like that good thing in a way that i have it now cuz i dont know what my neigbhour would of done

what are you using to heat the tank?

hi,


Do you know what actually happened to the snake?

Also make sure it has plenty of drinking water as it could get quite badly dehydrated - I'm not sure I would give it anything it could fit in as a water bowl though - hopefully someone will know better than I do about that.


dr del

Oh my lord, that is the most serious thing I have ever seen. I don't even know what to say- I know there is something helpful to say in the back of my mind, but there are some serious words for your neighbors blocking them from coming out.

I really, really hope you can either find someone to surrender that snake to or manage to keep it alive under your care. That is going to take some serious $$$ and love. If you aren't up for it, I would suggest finding someone ASAP.

im going to do what it take to keap my snake

Yes, vet, asap...I'm glad you have an appointment for Saturday. It's unfortunate you can't get him in sooner...

What it looks like is that the snake has been badly burned by either an uncontrolled under tank heater (UTH) or by a "hot rock", those used for desert lizards but absolutely terrible for snakes. Snakes are ectothermic, so they gather their heat from the environment. If the only heat source is an uncontrolled UTH or a hot rock, both of which get waaay hotter than a snake can handle, the snake will use it for heat but will literally begin to cook and burn.

What happens after is that the dead, cooked/burned flesh on the belly begins to rot. This is called necropsy - and can be quickly fatal as you can imagine.

Getting the animal to the vet as quickly is possible to stop this process and start the healing is vital to enable the snake to have a fighting chance. It can take several months of proper (and expert) care to turn a snake in this situation back to completely healthy.

For an example of this process, have a look at the following thread. One BP.net's members, goldenburm, took in this badly damaged ball python with burns and necropsy and the snake has made a full recovery:

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...ghlight=rescue

It might also be worthwhile to phone the vet as soon as he opens and ask if there is any interim advice he could give. He may ask you to (very ,VERY gently) clean the wound with some kind of mild reptile friendly disinfectant - or,conversely, he may feel that leaving it as is would be better.

The link cassandra posted has some excellent advice in it and shows that recovery is possible.

dr del

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i cant miss skool

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He can't miss..... oh nevermind! lol

I really thank Beauty the BP she guided me on what to do befor i go to the vet cuz i cant go tomorrow friday so she guided me and told me waht to do step by step i really liked the help from her thx allot

Did you actually pay money to your neighbor for this snake? If you did i would demand my money back in order to defrain some of the vet bills.In my 9yrs experiance with reptiles and running a rescue for a short time i have never seen anything as bad as that poor snakes injuries.Does this neighbor have any other pets? If so are they neglected also? If the answer to the latter question is yes turn them into your local animal authorities!!! Please keep us posted

i payed 50$ only but if he demands for money well im going to tell him pay the vet bill but one thing is for sure i aint going to give him the snake back thats for sure i was suposto give him 200$ but now he will only get the 50$ and he can do what ever he wants and the first thing i will do is bring him to court if he does something stupid thats for sure

he only had the snake but it was at his parents house and he is living with his gf and he was going once a week to see his bp

If he has any problems with you paying, just tell him you will report him for crualty to animals, I don't know if you can do that where you live, but here in the states we have a lot of organizations that focus on crualty prevension.


If anything else you may want to soak him in a light mixture of betadine in warm water, it will atleast help disinfect it and kill any bacteria on the surface.

Good Luck!!!

OOOOPS! I guess joe beat me to it on the animal control issue

well for now he is in a nice clean place and im going to go at 10am to the vet saturday and let see how much its going to cost me and for sure if he wants it back he will have to bring me to court and for sure he will lose and he will end up paying me for the bills

Polak,

You are very welcome. I only did for you what i would have done for any thing in that condition.

For those of you reading Polak sat on a messenger and had his web cam on and I talked him though everything he needed to do right away to make the tank as sterile as possible and give the snake as little stress as possible. He did everything. Cleaned out the tank and laid down newspaper, took everything out that wasnt needed, and got a small water dish for drinking only. and even made the sanke a new hide out of a shoe box that it went for straight away.

His tank is now set up perfect and clean.

this took the better part of an hour and in my mind was time well spent. He is showing true dedication to this snake.

If he continues with the care i laid out and follows the vets instructions this snake will make a good recovery.

Polak keep up the good work. and koodoes to you. the snake gods smiled down on you with this little guy. I know where their eyes were now when my 3 escapees went missing. It was for a good cause.

Regards,
Beauty the BP

thx allot :)

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He can't miss..... oh nevermind! lol

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ya ya.. he cant spell.. he knows that :)

and ur point Karma ;)

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.... keap that in the other forum dont start this here ....

Problems with other forums do not belong on BPNet. If there are problems bring them directly to Admin or Mods if you need assistance in seeking a resolution or take them into PM like the adults we are all supposed to be.

Threads here are about seeking information, sharing wisdom, joy or loss, and enjoying an excellent community online.....keep it that way!

Just thought I'd clear up this little bit of information, Cassandra and I certainly don't mean anything by it other than giving the proper information. A NECROPSY is performed after an animal is dead. What you are talking about is NECROTIC skin.

Beauty...Again, you truly do show your nurturing side. Thank you for being there for this kid where some of us couldn't. Let's hope the little guy/girl can make it through to saturday.

OH. I also wanted to say one thing. The wounds depicted in the picture look a little more familiar to me. When my sister was about twenty, a friend of hers gave her his ball python. One day, she left the tank open and this gorgeous girl got out. She'd gotten underneath the boxspring of her bed which was on the floor and because it was so broken and ripped to shreds, it tore against her belly. Needless to say, -I- took care of her. I would wipe her down with neosporin, and I would feed her. I would make sure she shed well, and I would clean out her tank. After a few months and a few good sheds, she came around.

Polak: You really need to find out WHAT exactly happened. Whether it's nycrosis or something like my experience, you need to find out. And I would definitely tell him that $50 is the limit. No more money from you to him. In fact, I'd ask for your money back to pay for the vet bill. Then, I would call some sort of law enforcement and have him charged with cruelty to animals. Jesus.

That is the worst case I have ever seen......I would report the nighbor for animal cruelty...it's that bad.

<3 Polak

thx for the help and karma and I are really good friends he was just joking around she is a very nice person she is the one that helped me find this site and got someone to help me out and for the 50$ i dont really care im just going to go to the vet and pay the stuff i will just wait untile he comes back for more money then i will tell him that he aint getting anything from me well the only thing i know it that he just had 1 hidding spot and it was under the heat pad and i think thats what caused the problem cuz the guy was going to see the bp once a week or once every 2 weeks well hope this helps

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Just thought I'd clear up this little bit of information, Cassandra and I certainly don't mean anything by it other than giving the proper information. A NECROPSY is performed after an animal is dead. What you are talking about is NECROTIC skin.

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Doh! Sorry - Weaver is totally right. I got the words mixed up. =)

Im so glad that you got that snake out of there, and that you found this site. Welcome, newbie! ;) If I was in your position, I'd give you neighbor a few choice words, then tell him he gets no money whatsoever, laugh, slam door, repeat.

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i payed 50$ only but if he demands for money well im going to tell him pay the vet bill but one thing is for sure i aint going to give him the snake back thats for sure i was suposto give him 200$ but now he will only get the 50$ and he can do what ever he wants and the first thing i will do is bring him to court if he does something stupid thats for sure

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He actually wanted $200.00 for a badly injured snake that obviously was injured in his care and likely as a result of his negligence as an owner? Personally I would tell him firmly (or have your parents do so) that he's lucky he got $50.00 and not a visit from animal care and control and that if he wants to push for the rest of the cash you have photo's of the damage he did to this snake. Remember in future when and if you ever do another rescue, get something in writing that the person is releasing the snake to you and has no further claims on it or you. Best to be very clear about who owns the animal as you don't want to work hard to bring a snake back and then have the idiot who hurt it show up and want it back again.

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He actually wanted $200.00 for a badly injured snake that obviously was injured in his care and likely as a result of his negligence as an owner? Personally I would tell him firmly (or have your parents do so) that he's lucky he got $50.00 and not a visit from animal care and control and that if he wants to push for the rest of the cash you have photo's of the damage he did to this snake. Remember in future when and if you ever do another rescue, get something in writing that the person is releasing the snake to you and has no further claims on it or you. Best to be very clear about who owns the animal as you don't want to work hard to bring a snake back and then have the idiot who hurt it show up and want it back again.

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Amen to that!:sweeet:

The reason I'm tough on this point is the rescue we did with Rauri the BCI. The twit who couldn't care for him kept referring to him as "her" snake long after she'd turned him over to us. I finally had to nicely but firmly state to her face that I had her sign a piece of paper confirming that Rauri was to be fostered by Mike and I for permanent placement with Becky at a later date and Rauri was in no way "her" snake any longer. We worked hard with Rauri to bring him back from the belly burn/impending rot and to make sure he was socialized and any issues with his general health and his damaged lungs were dealt with. No way was this girl, who apparently could not even figure out how to join a forum to learn to care for what she bought, going to get her hands on him now that he's 100% better than the mess he was when we got him.

If you do rescue, do it in writing. You deserve that protection and so do the creatures you rescue.

Ok so i whent to the vets i payed 94$(canadian) and i got a 7day treathment
i got 3metacam 1.5mg/ml(cc) 0.15 cc orally twice daily for 7 days
and i got to dilute 1cc of hibitane in 1L of water for bath
and the last thing i got is 3 baytril inj. 50mg/ml (percc) inject 0.22cc intramuscular as per instuctions give once daily for 9 days

so thats what i got for the threatment and i will keap you guys/gals posted

:) thx for the help

Best of luck to yer lil darlin Polak :)



del

thx Dr Del :)

Great to read that you are in the start of getting that poor snake back into perfect health:gj: .If you have any problems with your neighbor trying to get that snake back tell him to join us here for a NICE CHAT ;) .It makes me very mad when people do this type of stuff to any animal:mad: .

Wow! That's just terrible to see. Did your neighbor let this happen to the animal? Or did they find it? ... That poor thing is in terrible shape.

well i have the snake for like 2 weeks whe i got it it was like that but i dident know what it was a week passed he shedded and it was wors to i got it to the vet and now im just trying to get him on the right track and tomorrow im going to try and feed him rat pup and for now im broke with no money but happy for my BP and he aint going to get any money from me thats for sure and im glad that my friend karma showed me this forum :)