Curious Pastels, HQ Pastel = HQ babies? and visa versa?

I was just wondering if HQ, high blushing, bright Pastels generally produce similar babies, or if it is also somewhat random? Does this depend a lot on the normal mother?

Just curious :)

thanks

I'm stumped - what's HQ?

I'm stumped too! :)

And I'm curious about Jamie's question also... That's something I was wondering too... Also, if that is the case, is it that way with the other morphs as well?

Now, where's Adam when you need him! ;)

sorry, HQ = high quality, I was being lazy :(

I was just wondering if the quality of the pastel was the most important thing, or how it was paired up with a normal.

It seems like people are selling a LOT of low quality pastels, and Im not sure why people would be buying them if they tend to produce low quality babies.

That's what I noticed too!! I was thinking about getting one since they're getting so cheap, but what's the point if you could only produce sub-par offspring. I'm really glad you asked this one!

i think alot of people put price first. when choosing i try to get the best i can, within reason. even if i have to pay a little more. i have some pastel pairings this year to average girls and a couple to really nice girls. i'll be able to compare in a month or so. logically i would think that nice pastelsxnice females= nice babies, logic only goes so far though. lol

vaughn

Heh I agree, logically I would think a nice pastel = nice babies, but that formula is too easy, because people could cull out low qualities and leave all nice ones.

I would think that as well... but here's ALSO what I KNOW....

If you paired a 90% white pied and a 90% white pied... you could wind up with a VERY low white offspring... so it just doesn't make any sense. lol

I have some normal girls that are high in blushing, and high yellow/gold girls that I will be putting my lemon male with... and we'll see what I produce from those pairings.. I also have some "standard" normals that are very average that I'll put a different pastel male with.. We'll see what happens... but line breeding has to take over at SOME point.......... Doesn't it???:confused:

I don't remember from where I got this from, but Im pretty sure I saw that ugly pastels can make really nice babies. So I would assume it would go vica versa. But if you put an ugly pastel with a phenominal normal, i would think your chances would go up that you would have better babies.


I don't have any clue about the banding or blushing.

An ugly pastel can throw a nice baby here and there, especially when paired with a nice looking normal female ... but, high quality pastels are far more likely to consistently produce high quality babies.

Bascially, when you're buying a clunker, you are more than likely going to produce more clunkers than really nice looking pastels ... there is a price to pay for that bargin. ;)

-adam

Ahhh, but is there such a think as a "clunker" bumblebee? I would imagine even "ugly" pastels will sell just fine for those trying to make bees on a budget. LOL

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Ahhh, but is there such a think as a "clunker" bumblebee? I would imagine even "ugly" pastels will sell just fine for those trying to make bees on a budget. LOL

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For my bee project, I used the best looking pastel girls I could get my hands on ... the higher the quality that you put in, the higher quality that you will CONSISTENTLY get out. I personally wouldn't want to raise low grade female pastels for 3 years and not produce the best looking bee that I could. I'd much rather spend the money for a high quality girl and know that I will produce the best bees that I possibly can. ;)

-adam

OK, then what is everybody's definition of a "high quality" pastel? I have seen Adam's picture of one that looks like it would glow in the dark :), but what are you looking for? Is it high blushing, the intense color, or a combination?


I am considering a pastel as my next purchase, and like Kavmon said, I would like to get the best quality within reason.

Neil

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

For my bee project, I used the best looking pastel girls I could get my hands on ... the higher the quality that you put in, the higher quality that you will CONSISTENTLY get out. I personally wouldn't want to raise low grade female pastels for 3 years and not produce the best looking bee that I could. I'd much rather spend the money for a high quality girl and know that I will produce the best bees that I possibly can. ;)

-adam

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Oh I agree 100%! And wouldn't have expected anything different from you! LOL ...I'm just saying that some people (plenty of them, I imagine) would be willing to take any ol' pastel just for the chance to make some crosses with other morphs like bees.

Personally, I'm with you, I will wait patiently for the best, because I consider it an investment in my future...and I have no intention of investing in "cheap." ;)

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Originally Posted by aaajohnson

OK, then what is everybody's definition of a "high quality" pastel? I have seen Adam's picture of one that looks like it would glow in the dark :), but what are you looking for? Is it high blushing, the intense color, or a combination?


I am considering a pastel as my next purchase, and like Kavmon said, I would like to get the best quality within reason.

Neil

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I think it can be kind-of tricky when getting a young pastel. A lot of pastels can fade as they get older, but I've seen some 1000+ gram blondes that are still hot. I think blushing is important for supers, but if it is a bright yellow adult with no blushing, I would still consider that high quality.

Then again, I still have no practical knowledge from breeding pastels yet :) So I dont know.

thanks for this thread since i was going to buy a male pastel in a couple of months. So i thought it was going to make no difference to go with the cheap one.

Samuel.

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thanks for this thread since i was going to buy a male pastel in a couple of months. So i thought it was going to make no difference to go with the cheap one.

Samuel.

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Cheap could also mean a lot of other things...pastels are being produced at a very high this year and there's going to be a lot of moving and flipping of male pastels...buying a cheap pastel from Joe Scammer on kingsnake.com is not going to be a wise purchase.

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I think it can be kind-of tricky when getting a young pastel. A lot of pastels can fade as they get older

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That's a good point ... Something to consider when you're picking out your pastel is what it's going to look like as an adult. Experienced breeders know the things to look for in hatchling pastels that indicate how they may or may not mature. You'll pay a premium for that experience, but if you're looking for the best possible pastel that fits within your budget, IMO it's well worth it! ;)

-adam

Ok, here's a dumb question... Why does everyone say male "some-morph" and female normal? What would be the difference in that and a male normal paired with a female "some-morph"? Is it just because male morphs are less expensive? I'm just a little lost... :confused:

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Is it just because male morphs are less expensive? I'm just a little lost... :confused:

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Bingo... Most people trying to get into morphs get a co-dominant morph like a pastel, and for pastels, the males are less expensive (I try not to say cheaper).

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Originally Posted by MARCUS ANTONIUS

Ok, here's a dumb question... Why does everyone say male "some-morph" and female normal? What would be the difference in that and a male normal paired with a female "some-morph"? Is it just because male morphs are less expensive? I'm just a little lost... :confused:

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People like to buy the male first because you can breed one male to many females and produce multiple clutches of eggs .... more clutches == greater return on mony invested.

If you buy a female morph and breed it to a male normal ... you only get one clutch. :(

but what most people don't realize is ... females are the key to the universe. :D

-adam

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but what most people don't realize is ... females are the key to the universe. :D

-adam

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Preach it, brother!! :P

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

but what most people don't realize is ... females are the key to the universe. :D

-adam

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Darn straight, and Im not talking just snakes anymore.....;)