Breeding Project

Ok, so I know I dont have the most experience with snakes but my parents said that as soon as I get a job, I can by 2 snakes and breed them. What would be concidered "easy" to breed. I want the easyest thing to start off. Thanks

Why not get the species you are really interested in instead of just the easiest and while you raise them up, learn all you can about breeding them?

Most of the species on the market can be successfully bred given the correct conditions.

Well with school, a job, and breeding that would be alot of work. And I know that there are ALOT of people breeding and also working but im not sure if I could keep up with it. But that is a good idea. Are you able to breed one male to say 2 or 3 females in a season?

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Originally Posted by PJ FF

Well with school, a job, and breeding that would be alot of work. And I know that there are ALOT of people breeding and also working but im not sure if I could keep up with it. But that is a good idea. Are you able to breed one male to say 2 or 3 females in a season?

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Absolutely. But before you get in over your head, keep in mind the costs associated with breeding. Not just the purchase of the snakes but proper care and housing, vet costs, incubator, caging for hatchlings. I am not trying to discourage you, just giving you some things to think about.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Absolutely. But before you get in over your head, keep in mind the costs associated with breeding. Not just the purchase of the snakes but proper care and housing, vet costs, incubator, caging for hatchlings. I am not trying to discourage you, just giving you some things to think about.

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Jamie makes some excellent points. Vet trips alone can be VERY expensive. I have spent about $500 in the past 2 months alone on visits and meds. Not to mention that the only decent vet around here is an hour away one way and gas is not cheap.

yeah, thats my moms reason for making me geting a job if I want to breed. Im gonna do some research tonight since I havent really thought about it tell my mom said that today.

Yeah, not everyone gets lucky enough to get a free incubator......:) another thing you have to keep in mind is what you're going to do with all of the offspring. While BP's have small clutches, some snakes like corns and other ratsnakes can have clutches over 20! Will you be able to find good homes for all your little guys??? All in all, If you can do it, go for it.It's a wonderful experience.

Im gonna work and work for now to get some money and get all the breeding stuff needed and also a hatchling rack. How long do you have to keep the offsprings tell you can sell them?

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Originally Posted by PJ FF

Im gonna work and work for now to get some money and get all the breeding stuff needed and also a hatchling rack. How long do you have to keep the offsprings tell you can sell them?

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Depends on the type of snake. For ball pythons it varies by breeder. I would hope most keep them until they've eaten several meals, and are up ~ 200 grams, but if someone is buying a young one and has the knowledge of how to care for it they can be almost any size. If you are shipping the larger the better

How much are incubators? Where can i get a good one.

www.nsreptiles.com makes a pretty good incubator, but you will find out that the majority of people build their own.

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Originally Posted by PJ FF

How much are incubators? Where can i get a good one.

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They vary in price.
Here is a link to a great guy to deal with and he has great products. I have done business with him several times and it always went perfect.
http://www.nsreptiles.com/

I agree! Casey makes some killer 'bators!!

ok, since this will be my first time, I may just make my own.;) ....... I think I may do hognoses since they dont requir to much space. Would this be a good first breeding project? Iv researched for along time and cant find much on how to breed and so on. Any one know of anything to help teach me....... books, sites, what ever with good information will do. Thanks

PJ, hognoses are cool snakes, but for a first time breeding project, I don't know if I would go that route. They can be a little pricey for a newbie to purchase for breeding, and be sure the ones you are buying are well established CBB feeding on rodents. There are TONS of unscrupulous vendors out there selling WC they are trying to pass off as CB. You may want to consider corns.....they are a little hardier and an adult pair would cost a lot less than an adult pair of piggies.(that's what i call em') plus, corns come in a plethora of color varieties.

Corns, milks, or kings would make about the best first breeders if you want something simple. And with those you can use a hovabator on a good tstat and be set.

hovabator???? wats that?

hovabators are basically small styrofoam boxes with a simple heating element in them. personally for a small bator, i would build a treasure chest type box, or use a large plastic cooler. a large cooler one that would take 2 to carry it. in the cooler i would put in flexwatt hooked up to a thermostat, use water bottles to act as a heat sink. here's a link to a real fancy one


http://www.kingsnake.com/salceies/Incubator.htm


imo, it doesn't have to be that fancy, you could simplify that design and go with it. don't skimp on the thermostat, a helix would be great for a bator, or any other proportional thermostat.


vaughn

LLLReptile has them for sale if you want to get an idea of prices...

H to the izz O V to the izz A - bator...Too old school?

I think ill just go for the hovabators and maybe get 2. Would this be my best bet since i SUCK at building stuff?

How many clutches? You can build your own with no skills ffor a few bucks!

http://www.glassreptiles.com/articles/incubator.asp

Do people use hov's for bp's with any success?

PJ, when I had my first sucessful clutch hatch, i didn't have an incubator.I searched the web and there are plenty of sites on do it yourself incubators. I used a glass tank, a submersible aquarium heater, and a digi thermometer/humidity gage. it's not hard.

Ok, I think im going with Jamies plan and will use possibly the herpstat. And once they have hatched I will connect the rack to the herpstat since the incubator will no longer need it. Sound good? Any recommendations or concerns, let me know please.

you can get all the info on herpstats here, dion makes them and is good to deal with.


www.spyderrobotics.com


also helix at

www.helixcontrols.com


vaughn

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you can get all the info on herpstats here, dion makes them and is good to deal with.


www.spyderrobotics.com


also helix at

www.helixcontrols.com


vaughn

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No doubt! :rockon:

ok, thanks for all the help guys..... deffently keep all the good info coming.

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H to the izz O V to the izz A - bator...Too old school?

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Please don't EVER do that again!!! :please: :worry:

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Please don't EVER do that again!!! :please: :worry:

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Jealousy is not pretty...

haha, i thought it was pretty funny.

Ok, now onto the rack choosing. I was looking at animal plastics because its prices but then there boaphile racks that are REALLY nice

Take a look at herpenclosures.com . I just saw them at a show recently and was impressed. Also, reptilebasics.com .

for plastic racks, my fav is

www.herpenclosures.com i have been to his shop and they are quality made solid pvc! not expanded or foam core like most. these will not bow or sag like some others.
they are not cheap and he isn't trying to be cheap with them.

boaphiles are nice as are ap plastics
www.herpcages.com makes some decent racks too.

vaughn

Jamie is just a big weirdo. Gotta keep an eye on him. ;) :blowkiss:

Oh, and I really like my Boaphile racks. You will have a wait on them, but I order them before I need them so it hasn't been a problem.

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Originally Posted by tigerlily

Jamie is just a big weirdo. Gotta keep an eye on him. ;) :blowkiss:

Oh, and I really like my Boaphile racks. You will have a wait on them, but I order them before I need them so it hasn't been a problem.

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I take that as a compliment coming from you... ;)

Is Boaphile still on the 6 week timetable? There isn't a rack nice enough for me to wait that long. Well....Oh nevermind..

I don't mind waiting. I've got patience. Although I have yet been able to explain that concept to my 4 year old. lol

Feel free to take it as a compliment. I consider myself a massive dork. :nerd: Although my husband keeps calling me a freak. :rolleyes:

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I don't mind waiting. I've got patience. Although I have yet been able to explain that concept to my 4 year old. lol

Feel free to take it as a compliment. I consider myself a massive dork. :nerd: Although my husband keeps calling me a freak. :rolleyes:

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When you figure out a way to explain patience to your kid, run it by me as well. I have ZERO! :)

Right now I'm just taking away her ponies and dolls, but if that works for you too I may start worrying about you. :neener:

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Right now I'm just taking away her ponies and dolls, but if that works for you too I may start worrying about you. :neener:

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No!! Not my pony!! Oh wait, I don't have a pony...Mommy never got me a pony.

If you're real good, I'll buy you a pony. A pink one. :D

:hijackd:

Dang... ummmm Boaphiles are cool. lol

I think I may go with http://reptilebasics.com/store/produ...cat=251&page=1
im going with this one because the heating options

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Don't forget to look in to Vision Racks! I'm looking at investing in their CB-70s, the 32qt. rack, and a 15qt. rack eventually. Very clean looking, and I saw a thread on "The King's" site of a gentleman that uses them and really likes em'.

Here are the racks!
http://www.visionproducts.us/racks/htm2/pricing.html

Jason

Way to much, remember im on very short budget and things arent looking to good. illpost what im geting later tonight. Since iv been home, iv been checking up on this stuff

Ok, the stuff thats poping into my head right now.

Iris Shoe Box rack $189.99
Ranco w/ power strip $73.99
Hovabator Incubator $74.95
And the simple pinki pump, some one recommended to me--- $22.50

total right now...... $361.43

ditch the pinkie pump... not needed


i would consider a 2nd stat for the bator.


vaughn

No need for the pinkie pump. The odds of needing it are slim...

Doesnt that uncubator have a tstat that will work?

The hobavator does have a thermostat, but it is known to fail. The people that use them usually just don't rely on it, and just replace it with a herpstat or helix.

Ok, is there anything else that il need to add to my list to get?