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New Ball Python Shipment

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  • 04-25-2006, 02:54 PM
    stano40
    New Ball Python Shipment
    :mad: or I should say New BAD Shipment.

    The past two weeks we were buying what was left of a breeder who is getting out of ball python breeding.

    We had a good deal for the remaining 9 ball pythons he had left.

    This is what we were getting.
    3.1 late 2005 50% possible het for VPI axanthic
    0.2 normals, one of which is a proven breeder and dam to the others listed, this one weighing in at 2447 grams. The other at 900 grams.
    1.1 High Yellow
    0.1 aberrant patterned

    When the package came in it was labeled only "Fragile", which usually means to package handlers that its ok to use this package for dunk shots.

    The package was sent overnight. When we received the very smelly package we noticed there were no heat packs or packing material to hold the snakes into place. The big girls were in a snake bag in the middle of the package. On each side was a plastic shoe box with tiny holes only put on the lid. One shoe box had 4 axanthics, of which 2 were dead. The other shoe box had the remainder ball pythons.

    These poor pythons were really blue and dazed and one was gasping for breath.

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...0/100_3295.jpg

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...0/100_3292.jpg

    The two dead ones most likely froze to death and also by lack of oxygen.

    We are warming up the survivors slowly and they seem to be settling in some. All I can think of was how careless this shipment was.
  • 04-25-2006, 03:18 PM
    parabuzzle
    Re: New Ball Python Shipment
    This Saddens me very much. It also breaks rules that all carriers have in place that states you must mark all packages that have live animals in them and furthermore, someone correct me if I am wrong, but I believe FedEx requires that you mark the package with "Live Animal" AND "non-venomous or harmless Snake".

    Poor Babies :( RIP
  • 04-25-2006, 03:20 PM
    jglass38
    Re: New Ball Python Shipment
    Wow, that is absolutely horrible. Have you spoken to the idiot who sold them to you? Care to divulge his name so we all know to stay far away? I hope you can save the rest..It kills me to see animals suffering or to know they have suffered.
  • 04-25-2006, 03:23 PM
    cassandra
    Re: New Ball Python Shipment
    That's awful...I'm so sorry to hear that those poor snakes suffered...=(
  • 04-25-2006, 03:25 PM
    Ninjapython
    Re: New Ball Python Shipment
    I fell that a few *** beatings are in order **** that ******* breeder he's a real ******* ud think a breeder would know what to do and the ups ppl im so angry!!! im very sorry for ur losses id get right with that breeder and ask him what hes going to do about the 2 dead and the other poor snakes he abused by sending them like that u should be in the way of a refund hope hes a man and knows whats right and does it im so sorry u had to deal with that shipment of horrors and am very very happy that the remaining snakes have a home where they will be properly cared for

    EDIT by JLC: I know you're angry, but that does not excuse the use of vulgar language. You are also skating very close to violating the TOS, threatening geniune bodily harm to someone else.
  • 04-25-2006, 03:28 PM
    Danielle(THM)
    Re: New Ball Python Shipment
    That's horrible...wait for the dead ones to really stink, then send them back to him with a note demanding the refund. Take pictures of the box they came in as well, evidence never hurts.
  • 04-25-2006, 03:53 PM
    stano40
    Re: New Ball Python Shipment
    I have just been emailing with the person that I have bought the snakes from and he is very adamant that he did not ship them that way and is going to check out what has happened.

    I will at this point give him the benefit of the doubt but I don't see why anyone would change an entire shipping box. Also the box had on the side "Red's Collection"

    I will keep you posted on what happens.

    If anyone is interested I am keeping a running posting on my forum The Lizard Corral.

    Just click on the link for the forum in my signature and go into the ball pythons board. The posting are there.

    Thanks for all the concern. This forum is a class act with good and non-bashing members.
  • 04-25-2006, 04:54 PM
    4Khan
    Re: New Ball Python Shipment
    I would send him a box of poop (maybe not my own but maybe someones dogs) through the mail and make the box look all nice with flashy wrapping paper. as soon as he opens it he'll be disgusted! just how you felt when you got those poor babies!


    Alright i guess im a sicko!
  • 04-25-2006, 06:03 PM
    4theSNAKElady
    Re: New Ball Python Shipment
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 4Khan
    I would send him a box of poop

    :8: ..that cracked me up!!! U R too funny! However, that would be much nicer than what I would send.......
  • 04-25-2006, 06:09 PM
    4Khan
    Re: New Ball Python Shipment
    one of those pie in the face gift boxes?;)
  • 04-25-2006, 07:51 PM
    shavemycoinpurse
    Re: New Ball Python Shipment
    A situation worthy of exposure on the BOI.
  • 04-25-2006, 07:52 PM
    4theSNAKElady
    Re: New Ball Python Shipment
    Nah, much worse than that.....I can be demented when I want to.....:twisted:
  • 04-25-2006, 07:54 PM
    jglass38
    Re: New Ball Python Shipment
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by shavemycoinpurse
    A situation worthy of exposure on the BOI.

    No doubt in my mind...
  • 04-25-2006, 08:08 PM
    stano40
    Re: New Ball Python Shipment
    The newest excuse of the seller is that he did not ship them that way, someone must have changed the packaging and he's going to check it out.

    I think, instead of coming up with excuse's he would simply refund the money for the two dead snakes. Reputable breeders and sellers would not haggle over this problem, but correct it ASAP.

    bob
  • 04-25-2006, 08:16 PM
    4Khan
    Re: New Ball Python Shipment
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by stano40
    The newest excuse of the seller is that he did not ship them that way, someone must have changed the packaging and he's going to check it out.

    I think, instead of coming up with excuse's he would simply refund the money for the two dead snakes. Reputable breeders and sellers would not haggle over this problem, but correct it ASAP.

    bob

    if he wanted to keep you as a customer he would have insured the snakes safe transport. Ditch this weiner! If you dont get your money back tell him you'll spread the word on this "wonderful care and shipment arrangments" all over the place. childish? maybe, but it'll get him thinking.
    And dont completely exclude the box full of poop idea either!
  • 04-25-2006, 08:29 PM
    adizziedoll
    Re: New Ball Python Shipment
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by stano40
    we were buying what was left of a breeder who is getting out of ball python breeding.

    with this, and the excuses, this probably means that he isn't gonna give a toot if you tell BOI, ball-pythons.net, or his mother. He's out of the business, so why does he need the customer anymore?
    My heart is broken for these little guys- with just a little care they could have avoided this horrible end. I'll just never understand people like this.
    I'm sorry for all you've gone through and karma will hit this guy right where it counts.
  • 04-25-2006, 08:33 PM
    ssscales
    Re: New Ball Python Shipment
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by stano40
    I think, instead of coming up with excuse's he would simply refund the money for the two dead snakes. Reputable breeders and sellers would not haggle over this problem, but correct it ASAP.

    bob

    Sorry to hear about this, it is sad when animals die in transit just to save a buck or just plain laziness! A reputable breeder would not ship snakes in that packaging in the 1st place.

    That said, any breeder or seller willing to correct his/her mistake would send 1000 apologies as well as a check reimbursing you 100% of the cost of the dead animals or replacements as well as another 1000 apologies!
  • 04-25-2006, 08:37 PM
    JASBALLS
    Re: New Ball Python Shipment
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by stano40
    The newest excuse of the seller is that he did not ship them that way, someone must have changed the packaging and he's going to check it out.

    I think, instead of coming up with excuse's he would simply refund the money for the two dead snakes. Reputable breeders and sellers would not haggle over this problem, but correct it ASAP.

    bob

    Who is he? It's not fair to others if they are buying from him and your not saying who it is.. (Red's collection) Is that the guy? Simply Red??
  • 04-25-2006, 08:40 PM
    JLC
    Re: New Ball Python Shipment
    There is certainly nothing against our TOS for you to name the person you did business with. (Not that I know of, anyhow.) So feel free to share, if you choose to do so.


    Didn't you say you bought these snakes because he is going out of business? If that is the case, then threats about BOI and such aren't exactly meaningful anyhow. Really, not much you can do unless it is worth the effort for you to sue in small-claims court for the price you paid for the dead snakes, plus vet bills for the survivors.
  • 04-25-2006, 08:50 PM
    stano40
    Re: New Ball Python Shipment
    I didn't want to be out of line and the rules and go against the regs of this forum. I do have it posted on the lizard corral forum along with his emails that I have been receiving.

    The person I was dealing with was: Phil Hernandez; Pamona, CA
  • 04-25-2006, 09:23 PM
    shavemycoinpurse
    Re: New Ball Python Shipment
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by adizziedoll
    with this, and the excuses, this probably means that he isn't gonna give a toot if you tell BOI, ball-pythons.net, or his mother. He's out of the business, so why does he need the customer anymore?
    My heart is broken for these little guys- with just a little care they could have avoided this horrible end. I'll just never understand people like this.
    I'm sorry for all you've gone through and karma will hit this guy right where it counts.


    Wouldn't be the first time that someone went "out of business" only to resurface.
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