Starter Morphs

I am getting ready to start breeding some morphs. I was wondering what would be a cheap morph to start breeding with. I really dont want to spend over 1000 dollars for a pair.

Cheap is never a good term when talking about Ball Pythons or any animal. I would start with a co-dominant morph where you can breed to a normal and get homo. animals right off the bat. Good luck!

Maybe a pair of het pieds? You'd be spending the full $1000 (maybe a couple hundred more) but it would be worth every penny if you like the piebald. Either way, it's really up to you and what your preferences are in terms of what morphs appeal to you. You might consider looking into pastels as well. Hope this helps!

Besides the pastels and the het pieds, you can get a pair of het albinos for under $1000. With the hets, however, you will have to wait until the female grows- which is going to take 2-3 years.
With a male pastel, you could buy a full grown female as well for under $1000 as well and be ready to breed this season.

Either way, it is not a quick process that you'll make quick money off of. Also remember that there are SO many underlying costs besides the purchase of the animals. Make sure you have everything planned out! You'll be heading towards failure before you even begin.

On that note, breed what you want to breed. Don't breed something just because that's what you had to breed. Good luck, and keep us all informed!

There certainly are a lot of costs involved! You need to make sure you will always have money available for:

Food
Vets
Upgraded enclosures
Incubators

It is fun though! Just don't expect to quit your day job :)

I am really not doing this for money, although if i make a little money it would be a plus. I was leaning towards pastels, or pieds. So your input really helped me. It will be a little while before i will be able to get these snake, probably this summer. When i do though i will make a new topic and post the pics.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Cheap is never a good term when talking about Ball Pythons or any animal. I would start with a co-dominant morph where you can breed to a normal and get homo. animals right off the bat. Good luck!

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Ack...the perfectionist in me can't let this one go: If you breed a co-dom to a normal, you don't get a homozygous animal...even though you may get visible morphs. ;) ...just had to get that off my chest!

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Originally Posted by JLC

Ack...the perfectionist in me can't let this one go: If you breed a co-dom to a normal, you don't get a homozygous animal...even though you may get visible morphs. ;) ...just had to get that off my chest!

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LOL! Good catch Judy!

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Originally Posted by JLC

Ack...the perfectionist in me can't let this one go: If you breed a co-dom to a normal, you don't get a homozygous animal...even though you may get visible morphs. ;) ...just had to get that off my chest!

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Sorry for the misstep. You are correct. You wont get a homo. animal but rather a visible morph. A homo. animal in co-dom would come from visible morph x visible morph and would create a homo. animal or the super form. Did I get that right cause I went crosseyed.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Sorry for the misstep. You are correct. You wont get a homo. animal but rather a visible morph. A homo. animal in co-dom would come from visible morph x visible morph and would create a homo. animal or the super form. Did I get that right cause I went crosseyed.

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I think that about sums it up! ;)

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Originally Posted by fenez

Maybe a pair of het pieds? You'd be spending the full $1000 (maybe a couple hundred more) but it would be worth every penny if you like the piebald.

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While I agree a quality pair of het pieds would be worth every penny, it's gonna take a few more penny's get a quality pair of het pieds, which looking around at the big breeder websites will put you at $2000 ($250 seems a pretty standard price for a het pied male, $1750ish for a het pied female).

If you are talking about possible hets, then yes, you can probably get them for less...but then they may not be "worth every penny". =)

If i were to breed a male het pied with a normale female, is there a chance of getting a homozygous pied?

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Originally Posted by Bucko

If i were to breed a male het pied with a normale female, is there a chance of getting a homozygous pied?

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No.

no, you would get babies that are 50% possible het pied.

you would have to raise the females and breed back to 100%het male to prove them. good way to get a pied at minimal cost, downside is 3-5yr project!!!


vaughn

Are there any morphs that you can breed a het to a normale and get homozygous babies?

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Originally Posted by Bucko

Are there any morphs that you can breed a het to a normale and get homozygous babies?

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No, however there are Co-dominant morphs such as the Spider and Pinstripe that will produce that morph when crossed with a normal. They are still heterozygous, though.

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Originally Posted by Bucko

Are there any morphs that you can breed a het to a normale and get homozygous babies?

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Sort of. Pastels, for example, are "het for super pastel"...if you want to look at it that way. And you can breed those to a normal and have a good chance of getting more pastels.

Spider is another morph that you can breed to a normal and get more spiders.

There are other examples as well, but those are the others I can think of are even more expensive than those two mentioned.

EDIT: And here I am making the same technical error I tweaked Jamie for making earlier. I read your question too fast. NO...you can't get homozygous animals by breeding het to normal...but you can get the visual morphs that I mentioned!

Alright thanks a lot, i am leaning towards breeding a few normals to get the hang of breeding before i start spending lots of money and find out that breeding is not for me.

you may be thinking about co-dom morphs like pastel,spider,pinstripe,lesser,etc. co-doms, when bred to a normal= 1/2 normal,1/2 co-dom babies.


hets are generally associated with recessive traits. recessives like pieds,albinos,hypos need both parents to have the gene for that morph.
hetxnorm= 50% poss. hets
hetxhet=1/4 morph(visual)/homo, 1/4 normal,1/2 hets

check out some search pages under breeding/genetics on this site and others to help you out.

vaughn

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Originally Posted by cassandra

While I agree a quality pair of het pieds would be worth every penny, it's gonna take a few more penny's get a quality pair of het pieds, which looking around at the big breeder websites will put you at $2000 ($250 seems a pretty standard price for a het pied male, $1750ish for a het pied female).

If you are talking about possible hets, then yes, you can probably get them for less...but then they may not be "worth every penny". =)

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Shop around and do some research because you can definitely get a pair of 100% het pieds for well under 2000 from a reputable breeder. My 1.1 '05 het pieds are proof of this! I don't mean to sound rude at all... I just wanted to say, as someone who recently went through the process of finding a "starter morph," that a pair of 100% het pieds can be found either on the classifieds/web or at a reptile show for 1200-1400 if you keep your eyes open.

Of course one must be careful about scammers but that's an entirely different topic altogether...

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Originally Posted by fenez

Shop around and do some research because you can definitely get a pair of 100% het pieds for well under 2000 from a reputable breeder. My 1.1 '05 het pieds are proof of this! I don't mean to sound rude at all... I just wanted to say, as someone who recently went through the process of finding a "starter morph," that a pair of 100% het pieds can be found either on the classifieds/web or at a reptile show for 1200-1400 if you keep your eyes open.

Of course one must be careful about scammers but that's an entirely different topic altogether...

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I'm sure you are right, however from my point of view, I wouldn't buy hets unless they were a) from a very well known breeder or b) from someone I know (so I could beat the crap out of them!). For that, I would be willing to pay more. You get what you pay for - but that is my opinion. =)

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Originally Posted by cassandra

I'm sure you are right, however from my point of view, I wouldn't buy hets unless they were a) from a very well known breeder or b) from someone I know (so I could beat the crap out of them!). For that, I would be willing to pay more. You get what you pay for - but that is my opinion. =)

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No doubt. Buy your hets from someone reputable, not Joe Schmo at your local reptile show.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

No doubt. Buy your hets from someone reputable, not Joe Schmo at your local reptile show.

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I definitely agree with both of you... with so many scummy people in this industry (not to say there aren't a ton of great people too!) you must be careful when making any sort of transaction, especially with hets. A little research, which IMO should always involve asking for references (and don't get lazy either- follow up on the references people give you!), will go a long way towards protecting your investment/purchase.

If you're looking for good priced het piebalds I found some here:

http://grazianireptiles.com/available.php?m=Piebald

And! He's a reputable breeder. :)

Well I started out with a Het pair for albino , now I'm looking at maybe getting a pastel in Daytona. Then depending where I am with my other two project's I'm going to get a pair of het pied's.

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Originally Posted by cassandra

I'm sure you are right, however from my point of view, I wouldn't buy hets unless they were a) from a very well known breeder or b) from someone I know (so I could beat the crap out of them!). For that, I would be willing to pay more. You get what you pay for - but that is my opinion. =)

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