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helix and flexwatt??

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  • 04-20-2006, 10:58 AM
    krackerJack
    helix and flexwatt??
    When I build a rack im going to use flexwatt with a helix dbs1000 to heat the rack. What I wanted to know is do I have to use one piece of flexwatt for the whole rack or can the helix have multiple pieces of flexwatt hookup to the one helix?The rack is going to house 4-6 adults (i havent made up my mind)and later i will build a juvinile rack.
  • 04-20-2006, 11:00 AM
    Jake_la_serpiente
    Re: helix and flexwatt??
    You can hook up several flexwatt strips to a common power strip and then connect the power strip to the helix. I would not recommend "daisy-chaining" more than one or two strips to the helix though.
  • 04-20-2006, 11:22 AM
    aaajohnson
    Re: helix and flexwatt??
    I believe you can wire flexwatt in parallel. In electrical aspests this is no different than plugging all the pieces in using their own cord. The disadvantage is they are either all on, or all off. Here is a link to a pdf ...
    http://www.beanfarm.com/heating/Flexwatt_parallel.pdf

    Neil
  • 04-20-2006, 12:18 PM
    justcage
    Re: helix and flexwatt??
    Flexwatt can be used in pretty much any confriguration you need.. If you need all the same temps and it sounds like you do then the parallel setup would work well for you..
  • 04-20-2006, 11:50 PM
    krackerJack
    Re: helix and flexwatt??
    so 3 strips of flexwatt to a power cord to a helix would be ok
  • 04-20-2006, 11:59 PM
    justcage
    Re: helix and flexwatt??
    Sure, they will "handle" 500 watts.. What size element and length of each are you using?
  • 04-21-2006, 12:08 AM
    slipknot666
    Re: helix and flexwatt??
    does anyone have pids of flexwatt on there cage thing cause when i googled it it should this tape stuff is that what it's supposed to look like
  • 04-21-2006, 12:16 AM
    krackerJack
    Re: helix and flexwatt??
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by justcage
    Sure, they will "handle" 500 watts.. What size element and length of each are you using?

    I dont have any yet im making plans for a rack.im going to have 3 shelfs around 36" long each
  • 04-21-2006, 12:28 AM
    krackerJack
    Re: helix and flexwatt??
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by slipknot666
    does anyone have pids of flexwatt on there cage thing cause when i googled it it should this tape stuff is that what it's supposed to look like

    here is a good pic and info on flexwatt
    http://www.mgreptiles.com/flexwatt.html
  • 04-21-2006, 02:08 AM
    MARCUS ANTONIUS
    Re: helix and flexwatt??
    Sorry to hijack, but is the parallel setup a better means than one unbroken strip of flexwatt "snaked" from top to bottom or vice versa?
  • 04-21-2006, 06:34 AM
    kavmon
    Re: helix and flexwatt??
    one advantage to routing one piece through the rack is less connections. less connections= less possibility of bad connections/potential problems. either way done correctly is fine though. it's your choice.




    vaughn
  • 04-21-2006, 10:30 AM
    krackerJack
    Re: helix and flexwatt??
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MARCUS ANTONIUS
    Sorry to hijack, but is the parallel setup a better means than one unbroken strip of flexwatt "snaked" from top to bottom or vice versa?

    My first plan was to "snake" the flexwatt but i was thinking that the shelfs would pinch the flexwatt.Has this happend to anyone?
  • 04-21-2006, 10:31 AM
    aaajohnson
    Re: helix and flexwatt??
    The only advantage I can think of wiring parallel is that if you had one "bad" connection, all the others would still work. Same principle as light bulb wiring, in parallel one can be removed and the others still work. If they are wired in series, and one goes out they all go out. I think the snaking idea (one long piece of flexwatt) is also good for the reasons mentioned.

    I am building two 5 shelf racks to hold my vision cages, so I will post some pics in a thread as it progresses.

    Neil
  • 04-21-2006, 10:40 AM
    Wild Bill
    Re: helix and flexwatt??
    You will use alot more flexwatt "snaking" through the shelves than you would to put strips on each shelf. You can buy your flexwatt prewired and cut to length. They also make handy little crimp connectors if you decide to do it yourself. The longer the flexwatt the more power it will draw also. :)
  • 04-21-2006, 10:45 AM
    Wild Bill
    Re: helix and flexwatt??
    I have also wired racks in a series and parallel(sp?) before, as long as you turn on your thermostat and test to make sure each piece of flexwatt is working before use. You shouldnt have any problems. I use a tempgun to verify each is working properly.
  • 04-21-2006, 10:55 AM
    krackerJack
    Re: helix and flexwatt??
    im going to use melamine for the rack.can i put the flexwatt directly on the melamine or would i need some kind of heat tape(i dont know if thats right:confuzd: but its the silver stuff
  • 04-21-2006, 11:04 AM
    Wild Bill
    Re: helix and flexwatt??
    I put my flexwatt directly on the melamine and tape it down with the silver(aluminum) tape.
  • 04-21-2006, 11:06 AM
    aaajohnson
    Re: helix and flexwatt??
    Does your cage sit directly on the heat tape, or do you have something to keep the cage off of it?

    Neil
  • 04-21-2006, 11:32 AM
    Wild Bill
    Re: helix and flexwatt??
    My tubs sit directly on the flexwatt. :)
  • 04-25-2006, 12:33 AM
    MARCUS ANTONIUS
    Re: helix and flexwatt??
    Thanks Vaughn, that's what I had envisioned as being a possible reason to "snake" it.

    KrackerJack - What I had thought about trying was a design like Jeff Ronne (Boaphile Plastics)... Here's a link to a page so you can see what I mean... http://www.boaphileplastics.com/rhin...xwatt_Rear.jpg
    You'll probably have to enlarge the pic by clicking the bottom-right corner on that icon that comes up to reallly see it. I haven't actually tried making one like this but I think I can handle it... But being my first attempt at rack building, it may prove a daunting task... ;)

    Wild Bill - That's something else I have to take into account is whether the design warrants the extra flexwatt or whether it would be better just to do strips and save the $ for something else... Like possibly some nice Hets for those tubs!! :)
  • 04-25-2006, 12:52 AM
    SnakeySnakeSnake
    Re: helix and flexwatt??
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kavmon
    one advantage to routing one piece through the rack is less connections. less connections= less possibility of bad connections/potential problems. either way done correctly is fine though. it's your choice.

    vaughn

    Less connections also means that if your one connection happens to go bad, you lose heat to the whole rack instead of just one row.
  • 04-25-2006, 06:48 AM
    kavmon
    Re: helix and flexwatt??
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SnakeySnakeSnake
    Less connections also means that if your one connection happens to go bad, you lose heat to the whole rack instead of just one row.


    so you might notice the problem quicker than losing just one level/tub. 2 sides to a coin i guess. i just follow basic mechanical layout like in electrical,plumbing,hvac,framing most designs use the least amount of joints/splices/junctions in construction. just my thoughts.



    vaughn
  • 04-25-2006, 10:34 AM
    Wild Bill
    Re: helix and flexwatt??
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MARCUS ANTONIUS
    Wild Bill - That's something else I have to take into account is whether the design warrants the extra flexwatt or whether it would be better just to do strips and save the $ for something else... Like possibly some nice Hets for those tubs!! :)

    Another thing, I have heard some people that "snake" a continuous piece of flexwatt complain of a large difference in temps from the beginning and the end of the flexwatt. Some as many as 5 degrees. Just some food for thought.
  • 04-27-2006, 01:03 PM
    MARCUS ANTONIUS
    Re: helix and flexwatt??
    Thanks I'm usually pretty hungy for thought food, especially from all the nice folks on here!! ;)
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