My new looker!!

Hi all,

I am new to the site. Well actually I have been reading all kinds of good info for a few days, and I had to share a picture of one of our new family members ...

http://www.sunsetlabradoodles.com/images/spirit1.jpg

Even the "non-snake loving" relatives that visited for easter said WOW ...

Anyway, I wanted to say thanks to everyone who posts, there is tons of great info, and I look forward to contributing.

Neil

nice pied! they are an awesome morph.



vaughn

What a great way to make an introduction! Hi, I'm new - oh, and by the way - here's my pied! :D


Welcome, welcome, welcome! Spirit is quite the beauty, and I love her name! I might have to "borrow" it for one of my future girls!

We're glad to have you!

Thanks!!! We went through a whole list of names ... and we could not all agree on something. I opened the movie drawer, and ther it was SPIRIT. I was almost to the point of posting a poll with all of the possible names we had and letting everyone else decide ;) .

I will post pictures of everybody soon. I had always wanted Pied since I first saw them. My back can't handle the ATV anymore, so just I decided to traded for something I can enjoy all the time. I can't stop grinning!!!!

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Originally Posted by aaajohnson

My back can't handle the ATV anymore, so just I decided to traded for something I can enjoy all the time. I can't stop grinning!!!!

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She was a trade? Sweeeettt!

In, oh - say 6 or 7 years I hope to produce one myself. I'm building my collection right now - and will be adding a het pied male soon - from our very own Adam of 8ballpythons. I can't wait!

Yours just reinforces the excitement to one day produce an animal like yours!

Well, a trade in the sense that the $$ from the ATV went to PKReptiles .....

Beatiful Pied :partyon:

I will simply join your family in saying "WOW!" :tongue2:

in specifics, what is pied morph caused by. Why does it lack the other colors? And by the way, that is a AWESOME snake. I wish I could aford one

Wonderful pied and a excellent photo......

Beautiful pied:colbert2: , i recently got a pair of het for pied myself and can't wait to breed them and get one for myself.


Zinger

Welcome to .net! Absolutely beautiful pied. Male or female?

Love pied's man that's my next project , haven't finished the first one yet. Just wanted to say great trade investment. Great pic , that Atv depreciate's that Bp won't.

Gorgeous!! Seriously, "Hi there folks, I'm new...And here is my pied..Commence drooling!" :)

Spirit is a female, we also got 2 het males at the same time. I really agonized on spending the money, and if it was not for selling the ATV, there is no way I could have done it. I originally wanted a het pair, but finally decided to "go for it".

We are going to breed our normal female this year to try to get our feet wet, so I am sure I am going to have lots of questions for everyone.

Awesome! Welcome and you came to the right place for info!

Welcome :banana:



Great looking pied! Looks like you are well on your way to bp addiction, just about as bad as cocaine and almost as expensive!

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Originally Posted by cueball

Welcome :banana:



Great looking pied! Looks like you are well on your way to bp addiction, just about as bad as cocaine and almost as expensive!

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Ball Pythons - All of the addiction of Cocaine with less chance of death (but equal chance of staying up all night shaking)...I think we are on to something..

Very nice looking pied. How much does she weigh, and when was she hatched? I would just like to know, as I've heard that the pied project animals grow slow. My 04 male Het. is 1300 grams, my 04 Female Het is right at 1000 grams, but my 04 Female pied just started eating again with vigor, and weighs just under 700 grams. We are hoping to get our females to size for this year, and maybe see some pieds. By the way, here is a pic of our pied.

http://www.baileyreptiles.com/titlepied1.jpg

Congrats and enjoy,

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Originally Posted by muddoc

Very nice looking pied. How much does she weigh, and when was she hatched? I would just like to know, as I've heard that the pied project animals grow slow. My 04 male Het. is 1300 grams, my 04 Female Het is right at 1000 grams, but my 04 Female pied just started eating again with vigor, and weighs just under 700 grams. We are hoping to get our females to size for this year, and maybe see some pieds. By the way, here is a pic of our pied.

http://www.baileyreptiles.com/titlepied1.jpg

Congrats and enjoy,

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Good looking pied Tim!

Haaa, now the addiction thing is funny ... but true. We have had our normal femal efor about 5 years now, the othe two normals for 2 years, and so on, and so on...

She was born 6/23/05. She pooped two days ago, and this morning she is 515 grams. Her feeding card shows she has never missed a meal, and she was being fed once a week (rat pups, then fuzzy rats). We are going to try our first feed for the three new ones on Saturday, so we have been trying to leave them alone, but it is soooo hard. :D

PS, that is an awsome looking pied too, I hope your project goes well!!! :)

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Originally Posted by muddoc

I've heard that the pied project animals grow slow.

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I've heard those rumors as well and think it's cr@p ... in my collection I have some slow growers in my pied group but I also have some slow growers in my hypo group, albino group, lesser group, pin group, etc .... An animal that is conditioned to be a good eater out of the egg will always be a good eater (relatively speaking) and flakey animals will always be flakey ... It's important to get your stock from breeders that know how to start their animals well and hope for the best, but when working with living creatures, it's always a gamble.

Hope this helps.

-adam

Beautiful Snake. In the words of Napoleon Dynamite...."LUCKYYY!"

Adam,

I have heard some say it is crap as well. However, next time you are on the phone with Sean (EbN), ask him how his pied project is going. I also have projects that have fast and slow growers. As I stated, my Male Het. Pied was 1300 grams at 12 months old, and he was only fed one rat every two weeks after he hit 500 grams. My Female pied has only grown 200 grams since I got her in July of '05. She hasn't been a good eater, but seems to be packing on the weight since she has started eating again. I do appreciate your input though.

Thanks Again,

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However, next time you are on the phone with Sean (EbN), ask him how his pied project is going.

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Tim,

Sean and I have spoken about his pied project and his disappointment in their growth, and it's really a kick in the balls (pardon the pun). Sean is a great guy and deserves a lot better! That said, I also talk to a lot of people that have had and are having exceptional results with the growth of their pieds.

In this business, you tend to hear more of the complaints than the praises and I personally don't feel that you can cast a negative light on an entire morph with only a handful of unfortunate stories about slow growth.

I can certainly understand where you're coming from ... if I had animals that grew that slow I'd be suspect as well. It really bites when projects take longer than your hoping for. Hopefully they'll turn around for you.

I sincerely wish you the best of luck with them!

-adam

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

In this business, you tend to hear more of the complaints than the praises and I personally don't feel that you can cast a negative light on an entire morph with only a handful of unfortunate stories about slow growth.

-adam

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Great response Adam, I've heard the "slow-growth" thing with pieds before, but always personally thought it was spawned by a few finicky feeders. One other thing with pieds I've heard is they have proportionately small heads. Has anyone else heard this? Is there any truth to this? I didn't notice it in any of the pieds I've seen (although most I've seen were hatchling/juveniles).

I will be interested in seeing how all 3 of the new snakes grow.


Any suggestions on how to handle their first feeding? I am not sure if I can get live fuzzy rats around here, and I have been trying to decide if i should try f/t of the same, or try live mice, or even fresh killed mice. We never had any real problems with our normals after bringing them home, I think AJ took an extra week to eat the first time. I am really nervous about a live mouse ... but that comes from Tuleo being bit through the neck one time by rat. That was no fun giving shots for for 10 days.

Adam,
Thanks again for input, as it is always good to hear stories from as many people as you can on certain topics. I agree with you on the comment of always hearing the negative. My Het pied male was produced by Sean, and he seemed to grow great. My Het female came from Barcyzk, and she is a bit of a slow grower.
p.s. If you don't mind me asking, how did your Pin do for you this year? I have not been able to get mine to breed, regardless of the size of his penes and the fact that he has great sperm.
Thanks again, and good luck to you on your projects this year,

Mother of...partially white snakes! ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS!

I have a thing for pieds. They are my favorites, hands down! I LOVE that you just BOUGHT one - screw waiting years to breed your first, just buy one! And from Pete Kahl, the Daddy of Pieds! Rawr!

Awesomeness...oh and welcome to BP.net!

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Mother of...partially white snakes! ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS!

I have a thing for pieds. They are my favorites, hands down! I LOVE that you just BOUGHT one - screw waiting years to breed your first, just buy one! And from Pete Kahl, the Daddy of Pieds! Rawr!

Awesomeness...oh and welcome to BP.net!

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It doesn't take much to get Cass excited.... :P

Go pieds!

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One other thing with pieds I've heard is they have proportionately small heads. Has anyone else heard this? Is there any truth to this?

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Not in any of mine. Never heard that one before.

-adam

I hate to be Gary Grammar but wouldn't proportionately small heads mean that they were in proportion to the rest of the body? :)

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If you don't mind me asking, how did your Pin do for you this year?

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The pins far exceeded my expectations this year! I never count on any animal breeding it's first year in my possession regardless of age ... I'm very laid back like that when it comes to breeding ... Most people that know me know how superstitious I am when it comes to details about my clutches, so ask me again in 60 days. ;)

-adam

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

Most people that know me know how superstitious I am when it comes to details about my clutches, so ask me again in 60 days. ;)

-adam

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I can respect that. I just know that young pins have not been known to do well thus far. I did not expect anything from mine, but I tried to no avail. I'll ask about it later. Congrats on him exceding your expectations.

Thanks Again,

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I just know that young pins have not been known to do well thus far.

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Does any young male really "do well"? Sure, some people have gotten lucky, but pin or not, no male in it's first winter is going to breed anywhere near as well as a male with 12 more months behind him. When I started 10 years ago, breeding a male at 750+ grams in it's second winter was the bare minimum for a reason ... Honestly, I'm surprised that any clutches are produced by people breeding these <500 gram animals, but I'm certainly not on the level of the professional breeders that are able to pull that off ... I'm just a guy with a bunch of cool snakes having the time of my life ... breed, don't breed ... doesn't matter. ;) :D

Don't worry about your pin ... he'll be a 100% healthy breeding machine next year when producing pins is really going to count. ;)

Great discussion!

-adam

Wow, gorgeous pieds! Sounds like that was a sweet deal to me :welcome:

I'm with you on that one Adam. I have gotten to the point that I don't expect males to breed until 16-18 months and females at 24-30 months of age, providing they have good weight. Fortunately I have a great paying job, and the snakes are just a great hobby for me. And, yes you are correct, my male pin is on track to be a magnificent breeder in 06/07.

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I'm with you on that one Adam. I have gotten to the point that I don't expect males to breed until 16-18 months and females at 24-30 months of age, providing they have good weight. Fortunately I have a great paying job, and the snakes are just a great hobby for me. And, yes you are correct, my male pin is on track to be a magnificent breeder in 06/07.

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With an attitude likes your Tim, you're going to do very well ... it's really refreshing to hear!

I'm looking forward to seeing the great things you do with your awesome collection!

-adam

Adam,

Thanks for the compliment. I am looking forward to seeing some of they great things that you should pop out this year. Good luck to you and your projects this year.