breeding loans

How do you usually handle a breeding loan agreement?

Males?

Females?

Thanks!

you send me that brown head girl and i'll get back to you next year! lol:P sorry couldn't resist.



vaughn

Should I toss this in the box aswell???


http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h2...bpfirehead.jpg

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Originally Posted by cueball

Should I toss this in the box aswell???


http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h2...bpfirehead.jpg

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Show off! LOL

Seriously though, there is a thread here somewhere with the contract that Joanna and Eugene did for their breeding loan. Let me see if I can find it.

Here's a basic description of the breeding loan:


http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...=Breeding+Loan

LOL :halohorn:



vaughn, you would have to talk to robin about the brown head girl. She has a lock on her future :P

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Here's a basic description of the breeding loan:


http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...=Breeding+Loan

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Thanks raberrascal!

Anybody else want to share some details?

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Originally Posted by cueball

LOL :halohorn:



vaughn, you would have to talk to robin about the brown head girl. She has a lock on her future :P

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oh well, anything yellowish,granitish or desertish will do 2000 g or better! lol seriously i have enough females. i try to keep a 1:9 ratio going if possible.

on the loan thing, i don't have anything specific to say. loans are private deals and best done with trust first. not directed at anyone, any loans i would do, i wouldn't need a contract. the paper is only as good as the person signing it. without trust first and foremost, a breeding loan wouldn't exist.:cool: "that's how i roll"


vaughn

what do you what to know?
there are a few things i would like to point out and thats make a witten contract so everyone knows what his/hers part are and theres no one getting mad and playing the he said she said game. and make sure all parties sign the contract.
and just work out all the details of what you want and the other party wants and place those in the contract.

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Originally Posted by cueball

vaughn, you would have to talk to robin about the brown head girl. She has a lock on her future :P

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Vaughn - Step AWAY from the brown head girl - just step AWAY from her! LOL :P

Thanks for the input.


Specifically

1. what is the standard split of offspring?
2. what happens if the loaned animal is not available to be returned?

Specifically

1. what is the standard split of offspring?
we did a first pick goes to the owner or the higher end animal and so on. but again you work that out before and place that in the contract.



2. what happens if the loaned animal is not available to be returned?
thats also something that sould be work out in the contract. but that way we did it was if the animal was harmed from something i done wrong we set a replacement value on her females and i would have to pay that amout for said female but if the animal passed from something that was out of my hands such as it was sick when i got it and i tried to save it by takeing it to a vet i would not have to pay replace ment.

Cueball, sent you a PM. Try to ignore the excited blondeness of it all :)

gncz73...thanks! That is the kind of info I was looking for. So it seems like just common sense works.

doll...I adore blondeness :bubbles:

yes common sense and alot of talking with the other parties

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Originally Posted by kavmon

on the loan thing, i don't have anything specific to say. loans are private deals and best done with trust first. not directed at anyone, any loans i would do, i wouldn't need a contract. the paper is only as good as the person signing it. without trust first and foremost, a breeding loan wouldn't exist.:cool: "that's how i roll"


vaughn

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I absolutely agree that this sort of loan shouldn't be entered into without the utmost trust between both parties. However, that level of trust does not mean a written contract isn't a good idea. A contract is not necessarily a sign of distrust, but a clear and concise definition of the agreement between the two parties. The contract defines specifically what is expected from each party and what each party gains from the arrangement.

Genuine misunderstandings or faulty memories have nothing to do with a person's integrity or desire to do the right thing. A contract helps to alleviate these types of difficulties even between people who respect and trust each other.

that's just me judy, i'm a little old school. a handshake or someone's word is good enough for me to do a deal. i will not deal with people who i doubt or am skeptical about. nothing against contacts or guarantees, they just don't give me any more peace of mind. personally if i had a breeding loan going and forgot some details, i would have enough faith in the other party to trust them. if they forgot also,we would just work it out again! lol



vaughn

Yeah but no one is perfect. What happens if someone forgets or is fuzzy on the details. Sure they might end up coming around and agreeing, but there might be some resentment held.

Trust the person, but still write everything down so there is no confusion.

I think there are people online that I would trust, but Ive never met them, in that case do you e-shake their e-hand? :)

don't know, i don't deal online alot. anyone i would do business with, i am probably friends with and have shaken their hand already:D



vaughn

Hey anyone!!! I would be willing to do a breeding loan! Have a 2650 g female (normal) that wants to lock up with anyone of your choosing, and the kicker is, 70/30...you get to keep the bigger part of clutch!!!!! Anyone up for it??? :D

The thing about breeding loans is that first and foremost you trust the perosn you are going to do the breeding loan with,then you work out a contract that both parties are happy with and can and will cover all the details both parties want protected. Common sense fair play and good judgement just makes good sense to cover all the things that you can think might go wrong so nobody is suprised and both parties are happy or at least satisfied if something goes wrong.Hope for the best plan for the worst and when all is done you still can remain civil and friendly no matter what the results.

Thank you all for the input. I understand the importance of a written contract but vaughn and I are on the same page. This year I handed off a big money bp for loan on a simple hand shake. I trust the person. Both parties win if babies are made. If not then I am no worse off than before. This male was just sitting around doing nothing since I had no females for him.

Just curios as to what the normal agreement is if things go south.

I personally understood the risk that I might not get the snake back, it's the risk I was willing to take and do not expect compensation. I also expect that the snake will be well cared for, just like the rest in his collection.

I just think you NEED to have terms in place for the possibility that something bad could happen. What if your animal gets sick while at the other persons facility/house? Maybe it is something like internal parasites. Who pays for the vet visit? What if it is something more serious and your snake dies? What kind of compensation are you entitled to? Hand shakes are all fine and well but that friend/trusted individual could turn on you in a second if things go south.

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I just think you NEED to have terms in place for the possibility that something bad could happen. What if your animal gets sick while at the other persons facility/house?Maybe it is something like internal parasites. Who pays for the vet visit? What if it is something more serious and your snake dies? What kind of compensation are you entitled to? Hand shakes are all fine and well but that friend/trusted individual could turn on you in a second if things go south.

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thats why i like and want a contract so all parties know whos jobs what and there should be no fighting. because everything in in black and white not gray matter(sp)