Baytrill Injections Not going So good :(

Ok so i got buttercup (8.5 foot male burm) 3 weeks ago, when i got him he had a noticeable wheeze, due to the idoit that had him not giving him the proper heat. Anyways we uped his tempertures immensily and the wheeze began to subside significantly, when we got his appt with the vet about a week ago she gace me baytril injecions that he needs every 3 days. Im sure most of you know what baytril is, well she showed me how to give the injecions since it would be nearly immposible to drive 2 and half hours each way for her to do it. Tonight would be there 3rd injection but my one helper seems " too busy anymore" and the other has become very ill with something i cant prenounce. So as of right now I have absolutly no one to help me admister the needles. Driving 5 hours to get the needle isnt exactly the ideal situation. Im wondering if there is another way that baytrill can be given to snakes besides injections, ive read about the oral doses but i know my snake isnt just gonna chew it up. I was wondering about other possibiltys about giving it.Possibly injecting a (dead) rodent, or putting the pill in the rodents mouth? something along that line. Im doubtful about it but id still like to ask. It is after vet hours right now and she wont be back untill monday. The after hours clinics around here know abosolutly nothign about reptiles so I figure I would pop the question here. Thanks guys

Giving Baytril orally does not have as good an effect as injections.. injecting is really the best way to give it.

Are you uncomfortable giving the injections by yourself? Does the snake react negatively for the injections? I have (unfortunately) given many shots to snakes and have had no trouble giving them myself.. this includes my 21lb dumerils boa.

If you do not feel comfortable doing it on your own though, don't push yourself. Try and see if you can't find someone to help you.

he reacts horribly to the injections, and i know he needs them but as i have only had him 3 weeks i dont fully trust him(yet) to do it myself, he absolutly hates it and i need at least one other person to help hold him steady or it is immopsible to give it to him, the last few times we had 3 people and we still had a hell of time to get him to stay still.i have called everyone i can call, i even called some local vets that dont do reptiles to ask if i could bring him in for the vet techs or whoever to hold him down and they wont. Everyone else i know wants nothign to do with a big snake and needles. :(

That's too bad.. baytril is more painful than some of the other antibiotics. It's pretty strong and can burn and even cause scar tissue. I don't blame the big guy for not liking it.

Your vet showed you to do the injection in the first third of the body (probably about 2' down from the head on your snake) on either side of the spine in the muscle? Not straight up and down.. at an angle and between the scales (this makes it easier)

Just making sure you were taught correctly.. I haven't had a snake react that negatively to a shot before.

You can give the injectable stuff orally just fine, I have for quite a long time with no ill effects. What strength is it? 22.7mg/ml or 100mg/ml? How big is the dose you are supposed to be injecting?

You can always get a needleless syringe, draw up your dose as normal, and then restrain his head and inject it into his throat. Then hold his mouth closed and tilt his head up. You can always dilute it with water to make it less irritating.

You can get good-sized needles and syringes at your local drug store or at a feed store. 18-20g are good sizes and 3ml syringes should be enough.

What we do with all large animals is, rub very firmly in the place you are going to inject, then all of a sudden push the needle in the muscle, quickly withdraw to ensure that you didn't hit a vein/artery and inject the medicine. All in all takes me about a second to do all of that. Rubbing the area desensitizes him to the needle a bit and will help him not react that way.

If you do decide to give it orally, do not feed him during this time. He is more likely to regurgitate and that would just set him back even further.

I hope this has helped some and please be sure to ask questions if you need help.

in between 2 scales at an angle into the muscle tissue a little bit above a 3rd down his body is what i was tought (basicaly what you just said lol) , he doesnt freak out untill i start to inject :( poor guy.......it is quite a large injection to . I would have to look at the prescrition to check out the exact amount, theres no way it could be done oraly for him then? I read one site where the liquid form was given oraly (nto with the needle i hope :S )She told me his RI was basicaly gone and that I did the right thing and got rid of most of it by up'ing the temps and lowerin the humidity, she said this was just to kick whats left of it out of his system. Im not saying he still doestn need it tho!

I was told that when given orally it wasn't as effective.. but I'd trust what Becky says more than what I've heard.

I'm not sure how much easier it would be to give it to your snake orally though.. that involves prying an 8' python's mouth open and putting irritating liquid down it. I'd rather inject any day.. but if it works for you.. go for it.

Sorry i didnt see your post untill after i typed mine lol it is a 11.52 ml injection that is 50mg/ml

he isnt as fussy with his mouth open, the vet showed me with a wooden stick how to pry it open to check the inside of his mouth perodicaly

i still need to find people to help tho :mad:

if we change to oral we do not feed him at all untill his meds are done with?

Opening his mouth is one thing.. putting something icky down it is another. You may find he doesn't want you to open his mouth anymore after you start putting baytril down it.

very true...hhmmmmm

If it being bitten you're afraid of, just get a (willing) friend to place a towel over his head end and firmly (not tight) hold him down, and then you can administer the shot with ease. I had a mean male BCI go to the vet because of a RI and the vet showed me how and where to administer the shots....I was kinda scared to do it, but with someone's assistance it was much easier than I thought.

Try this. Put the snake on a warm floor. Let him loosen up and spread out a little. Then restrain his head with one hand and stick with the other. With a snake that big (I think you said a Burm), you should be able to use a leg to weight down the back side of his body. That will keep him from hurting himself too much if he struggles, and will keep you from getting tagged if you can restrain his head with one hand. Keep in mind I do not have a Burm, or a grasp of thier power and strength. This might not work, but it sounds good on paper. I'm lucky enough to have my wife to help me.

I am also thinking that a big Burm is a two man/woman concept. You might not want to piss it off if your alone with it. I don't know how big yours is. Hope it helps somehow.

Also, men will do almost anything for a six pack. Offer up some beer and you should have a few helpers come running.

would injecting the dose into his meal help? i know a big burm can take a huge kill and not eat for like 2 weeks until the next feeding but what about feeding a mouse or rat every 3 days, might work but i dont know for sure anybody else think this might be a good idea???

Shawn, feeding during an antibiotic regimen can sometimes lead to the animal regurgitating the meal. It is best to not even attempt to feed until a few weeks after the antibiotic is finished. It gives the good bacteria time to build back up to normal functioning levels again and allows the snake to properly digest its food.

No wonder he reacts badly! 11.5 mls is ALOT! You will want to space that out hun! That much irritating fluid going into one single spot HURTS. If you would just give the antibiotic twice a day until gone, it would work just the same way and you could give much smaller doses.

If he needs 575mg every 3 days, you could do 192mg per day or 96mg twice per day which is roundabout 2 mls twice per day. That would be SO MUCH easier on him and would make your job that much simpler. 2 mls is a BIG difference from 11.5mls. He won't even feel 2mls. If you can get some 22g needles and some 3cc syringes from the feed store, you would be set.

There is NO need to give the snake antibiotics every 3 days. That large of an amount of drug is a big load on his system and can be destructive, especially to the tissues. Giving smaller amounts more frequently will help as he won't be stressed when you are administering the meds, and the meds won't irritate the muscle tissue as much since it's a smaller dose.

If you can get some Lactated Ringers solution from your vet, inject about 3 mls into the muscle before you inject the Baytril. This will greatly lessen the chance of abscesses or any burning he may feel.

Hope this helps, and if you have any questions, just ask away :)

Yeah I remember when I had to give my dumerils 1CC (or was it 2? I can't remember..) of fortaz.. my vet instructed me to give half the dose in one spot, and half in another. My dumerils was very well behaved for her shots, so it couldn't have hurt her very much.

I know! I can see 1cc here, 1 cc there. BUT NOT 11CC'S IN ONE SPOT! Holy hell in a handbasket! Does the vet not realize that snake's CAN feel these things...? They can feel the muscle and other tissues stretching to accomodate the meds.

When giving 1-2ccs in one spot, you don't have to withdraw the needle and restick, just pull the needle slightly and redirect, withdraw the plunger to make sure there isn't any blood, and inject. Easy as pie. You don't create an infection site either by doing that. Pulling the needle all the way out and resticking does, however, and hurts more.

If you need help calculating exactly what the snake would need twice a day or EVEN once a day, just ask and I can get everything done.

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Originally Posted by SatanicIntention

When giving 1-2ccs in one spot, you don't have to withdraw the needle and restick, just pull the needle slightly and redirect, withdraw the plunger to make sure there isn't any blood, and inject. Easy as pie. You don't create an infection site either by doing that. Pulling the needle all the way out and resticking does, however, and hurts more.

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I didn't know that.. I'll have to remember that!

I can't imagine even having a syringe big enough to hold 11CCs.. they give me these little skinny things with 1-2 CC capacity.

the needles were pre drawn up, so i started out with 8 needles that are prefilled with the baytrill.....maybe i typed that dose wrong im not sure.......oral way with water seems to be fine with him, he doesnt even makes a fuss, and is normal after i give it to him which was the opposite of the injection( he was frumpy and seemed kinda sad / tired kinda mood) ....and I havent heard him wheeze for about a week now....he is acting normal , little more active because i think hes getting pretty hungry, but otherwise he is normal. Wish the idoit that had him woula taken care of him :( ....but I guesse hes in better hands now (I hope lol!!!) anyways thanks everybody you guys have been such a huge help...return visit to the vet is soon so I will let everyone know how it goes :)

here is a picture, im almost 100% sure it is 11 mililiters per needle


http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2.../Picture96.jpg

Well that looks more like 1-2CC somewhere in there.