*Caution*- Pottentialy Disturbing Topic for Some---Cats

OK this may make you sick so youve been warned

A lady I know has some house cats...a male and a female.....brother and sister......well now the female is pregnant and the girl tells me that she is going to kill the cats once they are born because they will be deformed "retard" kitties.....she told me if i wanted i could feed them to my burm.......i was really kinda freaked out because i dont want to feed a kitty to snakey!!!.......I know this may seem disturbing but she is an old school farm girl.....redneck if you will.........Im not really into feeding them to my burm but she is going to kill the kittens anyways....and belive me there is nothing I can do to change her mind, the local shelter is already overlaoded and she would rather not see the "retard" kitties go 2 someones home........anyways I was wondering what you guys think about this.....im still not used to the idea , but i dont own cats and dont plan to whatsoever...she gonna kill them anyways sooooooo

Uhm.. well, IF your snake ate it, do you really want a burmese python imprinting on the scent of cats as food? Say you go to a friends house, pet their kitties, forget you did, pick up your burm, and he bites you?

OR.. your burm really, really likes the taste of kitties, and doesn't want to eat anything else.

Why would you want to? Really? Ok if she's going to kill them.. that's sad, but there is no reason for you to feed them to your burm. Saving a few bucks would be a poor reason and I can't think of any good reason at all.

take them and say your going to feed them, but dont acutally feed them to your snake. If i were you id keep them, my cat had a reatarded kitten and i loved the thing to death, there friendly

Sure, why not? If people feed cute little baby rats and mice to snakes, why not cats? Rats can learn to rollover, Ive never seen a cat do that :)

BTW, i have 2 cats and love cats.... Im just no more disturbed at the idea of feeding of one type of baby than another.

i think that there is a much higher potential there for injury to the snake than with feeding it normal prey items. kittens have very sharp sharp claws and teeth. it's too bad your friend is going to kill the kittens, but i don't think offering them to your burm is a good idea.

Yeah I didn't even think of that aspect. A kitten defending itself can be quite formidable.

Actually I have heard of this before. I don't know if anyone has heard of "walmart Puppies/Kittens". People claim that they have 3-4 kids and want the animals as pets for thier kids. They end up as snake food or worse.

You might want to try to take the cats and place them yourself, either with other families or with a shelter.

I know this is wrong, but I have joked many times about my cats being snake food. I ain't a cat person. I would never do it, but I make the jokes.

I would not offer cats/kittens for one reason, inconsistant food supply. I have no problem with the death of any animal so long as it serves a purpose. The other problem with feeding cats/kittens is that it can create a very negative stimga if discovered, remember while cats may not be the most liked animal nation wide, snakes are far less liked and snakes that can eat a cat are even less liked.

good point shelby!...the kittens will be dead upon arrival..i dont feed live...im still leannign towards no tho lol

Why not offer to find homes for the kittens and get her two cats spayed and neutered? That would be the best option for all of the animals. Why hasn't she gotten them fixed if she knew this would happen?

People sometimes... I swear. :thumbsdow

And no, I wouldn't feed the kittens to your snake. You never know what diseases they may harbor and bring into your house. If this woman, regardless of being hickified, had enough common sense to spay/neuter her animals these things wouldn't have ever happened. It doesn't cost more than $25-$30 to get a male cat neutered, and females can be done for around $40-$50 at a Spay/Neuter Clinic. The SPCA can do them for you or give you a coupon to get them done if the owner can't/will not do it themselves.

Also, do yourself a favor and look here for a rabbit breeder: http://www.prma.org/breeder_rabbits.htm You may be able to find one very close in your area and can pick up a meal for your snake once every 2 weeks for probably $5-$7. They usually price depending on how much the rabbit weighs. Sometimes they will meet you halfway or they can ship(cheaper than RodentPro alot of the time).

Hope that helps.

If anything, take the live kittens and find homes for them. :) Not all inbred animals are sick.

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Originally Posted by SatanicIntention

Why not offer to find homes for the kittens and get her two cats spayed and neutered? That would be the best option for all of the animals. Why hasn't she gotten them fixed if she knew this would happen?

People sometimes... I swear. :thumbsdow

And no, I wouldn't feed the kittens to your snake. You never know what diseases they may harbor and bring into your house. If this woman, regardless of being hickified, had enough common sense to spay/neuter her animals these things wouldn't have ever happened. It doesn't cost more than $25-$30 to get a male cat neutered, and females can be done for around $40-$50 at a Spay/Neuter Clinic. The SPCA can do them for you or give you a coupon to get them done if the owner can't/will not do it themselves.

Also, do yourself a favor and look here for a rabbit breeder: http://www.prma.org/breeder_rabbits.htm You may be able to find one very close in your area and can pick up a meal for your snake once every 2 weeks for probably $5-$7. They usually price depending on how much the rabbit weighs. Sometimes they will meet you halfway or they can ship(cheaper than RodentPro alot of the time).

Hope that helps.

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Words of wisdom Becky.

Seriously, just because something can be fed to a snake doesn't mean it should be. What next? Puppies? Babies? Cmon...

Moral, ethical and practical arguements aside, it's quite possible that it's illegal. Feeding kittens to pythons may be considered animal abuse. I recently read something about a humane shelter employee who is in deep do-do for feeding puppies and kittens slated for euthenasia to a python they had at the shelter.

I don't know where you are, but here in Phoenix, the Sheriff has a special "Animal Abuse Posse", and they take it very, very seriously.

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Originally Posted by monkeywrench133

Moral, ethical and practical arguements aside, it's quite possible that it's illegal. Feeding kittens to pythons may be considered animal abuse. I recently read something about a humane shelter employee who is in deep do-do for feeding puppies and kittens slated for euthenasia to a python they had at the shelter.

I don't know where you are, but here in Phoenix, the Sheriff has a special "Animal Abuse Posse", and they take it very, very seriously.

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I would have to agree completely. I can't imagine that there is a humane way for the average person to dispose of the litter of kittens, and I would want to have as little to do with that particular action as possible.

So Lucifer, first you are freezing live healthy Guinea Pigs and now feeding kittens to your snake. Whats the deal? Did I misread that other post of yours?

Guinea pigs are a fairly conventional food for snakes (you can even get them at rodent pro I believe) they are just pricier than rats/mice. I think there's a big difference from feeding any rodent to a snake to feeding a small carnivore.

I wasn't debating that. But in her previous post she mentioned freezing a live guinea pig. That is a pattern of cruelty to animals in my eyes. Could it have been killed humanely?

Well I didn't see that. I'm sure she didn't know about using Co2 to humanely euthanize rodents before freezing.

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Originally Posted by SatanicIntention

Also, do yourself a favor and look here for a rabbit breeder: http://www.prma.org/breeder_rabbits.htm You may be able to find one very close in your area and can pick up a meal for your snake once every 2 weeks for probably $5-$7.

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I looked at this site last week, and links to only two of the sites are still active, and those two sites don't appear to sell rabbits. Does anyone know of another resource to use?

Yeah Guinea pigs, rats, mice, hamsters they are all good feeders but a cat is not. Cats are protected in the states and killing them in any way other than taking them to a vet or local animal controll facility for euthanasia can lead to serious fines or worse. Feeding them to a snake can cause a very negative image to the reptiles in your local area if word ever got out. And in the case that it did ever get out and got to local authorities you could end up in alot of trouble not the least of which will be them taking the snake away and euthanizing it. they do the same to dogs and cats and roosters who are trained to fight. They kill them so they wont be a danger to the other animals. Cats dead or alive, adult or kittens are just not feeding animals in anyway in any state. Same goes for dogs and puppies. Stick with unprotected rodents and be safe.

I think that cats are protected for a reason. And besides, one generation of inbred cats won't yield offspring that are "retarded."

Sounds like the inbred cats are genetically superior to your friend who wants you to feed them to your snake....just my .02

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

I think that cats are protected for a reason. And besides, one generation of inbred cats won't yield offspring that are "retarded."

Sounds like the inbred cats are genetically superior to your friend who wants you to feed them to your snake....just my .02

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Bahaha! Exactly..Which is really inbred?

Can we please refrain from any name calling please. That is only going to escalate this thread. Thanks.

Okay so this post is a little umm..disturbing. Alot of the points made already are good...Putting the facts that the kitten could hurt your snake, could get you fined, create a bad image, and also be inhumane...would you REALLY want to feed a kitten to your snake? I mean think about it..it isnt like a mouse they are potential cuddling/purring/litte balls of kitty love. Just my opinion...if it were me I would take them and tell the lady that you fed them to the snake. Bring them to a shelter or find them homes. Shelters might be over crowded but they have a much better chance there then with her. I would also report her and tell the people of her kitty killing plans.

To be perfectly honest, and I know I'll take some heat for saying this, No, I wouldn't have a problem feeding kittens to a snake, AS LONG AS CERTAIN CONDITIONS APPLIED

1 They're humanely euthenized first.

2 It isn't illegal.

3 That regardless of any of my actions, they would be killed anyway.

In a situation where all of those conditions were met, I would not have a moral or ethical problem with it. Because A) snakes gotta eat too B) if the kittens will be killed regardless, why waste them?

I don't have a problem with those who want to feed their snakes cats, but I agree, you shouldn't offer a food source that you can't offer again. Add on top of that you own cats, so snake eats cat/kitten, associates cat/kitten smell as food, snake goes nuts then always smelling cats.

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To be perfectly honest, and I know I'll take some heat for saying this, No, I wouldn't have a problem feeding kittens to a snake, AS LONG AS CERTAIN CONDITIONS APPLIED

1 They're humanely euthenized first.

2 It isn't illegal.

3 That regardless of any of my actions, they would be killed anyway.

In a situation where all of those conditions were met, I would not have a moral or ethical problem with it. Because A) snakes gotta eat too B) if the kittens will be killed regardless, why waste them?

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These are great points. I consider myself to be an pretty open-minded person, though I personally wouldn't ever treat cats or kittens as a prey item. Under the above conditions, I wouldn't lose any sleep over someone else doing it. However, I do not feel those conditions would have been met under this specific situation.

So the bigger question here is, where do we all draw the line on what is the moral thing to do concerning feeders. We, as humans, whether we like it or not, attach value to certain living things over others, and apply "moral treatment" according to that heirarchy. Obviously, I think that cats and dogs are right up there on list just beneath our own human children, in most peoples' view. The same person who values the life of say, a rabbit, may say its wrong for one of us to feed a cute bunny to a snake and in the same instance, swat a fly that lands on their computer monitor and not even think twice about it.

The idea or issue here is that each of us, as individuals, have a slightly different heirarchy for moral treatment. Given that fact, any debate on what is "right" to feed and what is "wrong" to feed becomes a purely circular argument.

Like Jamie I would like a clear answer on how the adult GP was euthanized for feeding. The other thread does make it appear it was put in the freezer alive. I surely hope this was NOT the case here.


As far as my opinion on feeding inbred kittens to your burm....

Explain to your friend her irresponsibility in having two intact cats in her home especially litter mates...that's first. If she won't alter them, this will only keep happening and that's just sad. Feed the kittens off if you want, your snake, your choice...personally it's not something I would do for many reasons...most of them already stated by other members.

Regardless of what prey you choose don't choose it just because it's the cheapest or free prey. The prey we use needs to be the best quality possible....our snakes are just as much what they eat as we are....you eat junk you aren't healthy....same for any living creature in my opinion....junk in...junk out. Taking on a giant snake breed like a Burm means taking on a financial responsibility....they are not cheap to feed.

As far as prey treatment, and yes I am on a soapbox here. Whatever each of us choose to feed, as far as I'm concerned we should choose to treat that prey humanely and respectfully...yep I said respect. Without those prey animals you own a dead snake....simple as that. It's not "just" a rat or a mouse...it's what keeps our precious snakes alive and healthy and it is also a creature in and of itself, deserving of standards of care.

Humane living conditions and a humane death for whatever reason that death occurs (whether it be for the purpose of feeding off or a pet that is aged and ill) is what any animal deserves and the only way Michael and I know how to treat a living creature in our home.


~~Jo~~

even though its brother/sister, i dont believe the kittens should be retarded. if both cats are infact healthy and have no genetic problems- a one time go at inbreeding shouldnt affect them to the point of retardation she's expecting- i would assume it would be more of a problem with organs or such. if that is the case, then the animals should be put down.

just my opinions. trust me, ive seen a few freak animals in my day- i live on the skirts of a nice, but small town. several... crazies around along with their animals. i do remember an inbred dog who was, yes, not as keen as some- but nothing to euth him for.

If it were me in this situation I would not feed the kittens to the burm. What irks me is the fact that the lady with the cats has the nerve to kill the kittens...I mean its her fault that her cats aren't fixed, so she should own up and deal with the problem humanely.

If she still threatens to inhumanely euthanize the kittens I would call your local SPCA...I'm sure they would love to save a litter of kittens, so they can go to good homes where they will be appreciated. Just because they inbred cats does not make them "retarded". I hope she does the right thing.

This is probably not my place to say, but I feel it needs to be said anyways. I am not trying to be mean and if Mods feel I have over stepped please delete this post.

It seems like the people around where you live are pretty cruel to animals. I would not be seen with people like that. It also seems like there is a bit of a problem find food for pets at sometimes other wise this wouldn't even be comtemplated. Like I said earlier I am not trying to be mean, but maybe you need to step back and re-examine your fiscal situation. Herps aren't cheap by any means. I have been into them for about 6 months now and I have spent $2k-$3k on my 9 herps. Maybe letting one or two go until your (assumed by my readings) situation improves may not be a bad idea. I know that sucks, but it seems kind of like your reaching a little bit to feed some of them.

I don't mean to offend you by this, maybe just offer you a different prospective.

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It also seems like there is a bit of a problem find food for pets at sometimes other wise this wouldn't even be comtemplated.

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To be completely honest I was sort of thinking the same thing. I respect your courage to come out and say what I was thinking, I thought it was a good point so I hope it isn't deleted.

Jason

for the people saying that cats are better rats because they are cuddly and loving....

which do you think is really more cuddly, loving, interacting with humans... snakes or rats?

I think snakes are great, but rats I would consider more affectionate just as cats are more loving/affectionate than rats...

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for the people saying that cats are better rats because they are cuddly and loving....

which do you think is really more cuddly, loving, interacting with humans... snakes or rats?

I think snakes are great, but rats I would consider more affectionate just as cats are more loving/affectionate than rats...

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I don't think most of the objection here is really about cats being better than rats really (or at least that's not my take on the majority of what I've read). If people do have an emotional reaction though, let's be reasonable. Cats have been a domesticated, companion animal a long time so you just have to expect that sort of reaction if you post a thread about a burm eating kittens. I do see a lot of wisdom about felines not being a good idea though for other than emotional reasons so let's give credit where credit is due that way.

Rats are excellent companion animals, totally agree there with you. The only pet of the rodent family I actually would recommend for a younger child due to the rat's nature, solid size and ease of care. As much as I appreciate my breeder/feeder rats for their contribution to our snake collection...I'll also enjoy selling the occasional really nicely marked one to someone to be kept as a big loved spoiled rotten rat pet.

~~Jo~~

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I don't think most of the objection here is really about cats being better than rats really (or at least that's not my take on the majority of what I've read). If people do have an emotional reaction though, let's be reasonable. Cats have been a domesticated, companion animal a long time so you just have to expect that sort of reaction if you post a thread about a burm eating kittens. I do see a lot of wisdom about felines not being a good idea though for other than emotional reasons so let's give credit where credit is due that way.

Rats are excellent companion animals, totally agree there with you. The only pet of the rodent family I actually would recommend for a younger child due to the rat's nature, solid size and ease of care. As much as I appreciate my breeder/feeder rats for their contribution to our snake collection...I'll also enjoy selling the occasional really nicely marked one to someone to be kept as a big loved spoiled rotten rat pet.

~~Jo~~

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I agree, I should have quoted the person instead of generalizing the statement :)

I may regret this post, as right now I am very disturbed by this thread and previous posts by Lucifersmommy.


I have to question a person's moral compass who would peruse pet ads in order to find feeders for their snake. First, that involves deceiving the people who are trying to find pet homes for their pets, so that you can save money in actually paying for feeders like most of us do. That's a line I just cannot cross and I am appalled that anyone would do that.

I too want to know if you froze that guinea pig alive as your other thread implies.

I know this particular thread is about someone who plans to kill off kittens and considering this as an opportunity for free feeders - but the very fact that you are contemplating this makes me wonder if you have the financial means to properly care for your snake(s) if you were no longer able to get free feeders from pet ads or friends who are seriously lacking in proper care of their own animals and allowing them to have unwanted babies that are "disposable" to them.

I know everyone has their own moral line, but I haven't seen LM's yet. Seems, if it's free, it's fair game - even if you have to break the law (feeding kittens to a burm), lie and deceive (contacting people looking for good homes for their pets that you consider feeders). And THAT'S what is disturbing to ME!

:yes: :yes: :yes: Couldn't have said it better myself Robin.

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for the people saying that cats are better rats because they are cuddly and loving....

which do you think is really more cuddly, loving, interacting with humans... snakes or rats?

I think snakes are great, but rats I would consider more affectionate just as cats are more loving/affectionate than rats...

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That's not really what this is about, go back to the post I made earlier on the thread, you are doing exactly what I said people do- assigning moral treatment based on personal, objective standards.

well whatever them i guesse im just a big big sicko with no love for any kinds of animals............you said this topic makes you sick HELLO I TOLD YOU THAT IN THE FIRST POST.I also said the kittens are going to die regarless of wheater i taken them or not, I EVEN TRYED TO PAY HER IF SHE GAVE ME THEM ALIVE and she wont, so there is nothing i can to change her mind.......IF YOU COULD READ YOU WOULD SEE THAT THE KITTENS WOULD ALREADY BE DEAD.I cant take them to my shelter if there dead, and even tho i hate the idea of feeding a kitten to my snake...ITS ALREADY DEAD...im not going to do it regardless . I had heard of many peopel doing it(AND THAT DOESNT MEAN IF EVERYBODY JUMPED OFF ABRIDGE I WOULD TO), i just wanted to hear about what everybody else thought


"So Lucifer, first you are freezing live healthy Guinea Pigs and now feeding kittens to your snake. Whats the deal? Did I misread that other post of yours?"

Im not feeding the cats to my snake nor did i ever say i was, I wanted to knwo everybody else opnion... I was told that is humane way of killing guinea pigs, they get cold and go to sleep, then while there sleeping, they die....This is how the businesses that sell them kill them (I asked the 4 closest ones to me which is toronto canada, mount forest canada and 2 in kicthner canada) so w/e i guesse im just a big sicko then
BTW Guinea pigs are sold as snake food in almost every chain or rodent suppliers so you can nag at them about bad it is to feed guinea pigs to snakes

"Taking on a giant snake breed like a Burm means taking on a financial responsibility....they are not cheap to feed."

"but maybe you need to step back and re-examine your fiscal situation. Herps aren't cheap by any means"

I realize this , i made sure i had the money to take of it b4 i picked up the snake, im in teh midist of speninf 300 bucks to build a new cage and i got a carpenter to do it for me and im paygin him as well......i understand they are not cheap....
the closest rodent suppliers is about 3 hours away from me.....b4 i even got the snake i went and picked up some jumbo rats .....im not nessecairly cheap its the 3 hour drive(one way) then plus the cost...in my eyes its cheaper and more convient to breed them

"I have to question a person's moral compass who would peruse pet ads in order to find feeders for their snake."

This is like community page where everyeon posts junk they want to get rid of...not cute cuddley pet ads...I do not search pet ads for free feeders.....instead of buying 30 dollar guinea pigs then breeding them and having the female possibly die becaue she is either to old etc etc, i wanted a guinea pig that had already given birth....FYI the owners son had the guinea pigs cuz he thought they were cute then got bit them hated them..... his father specificaly asked us if we knew anyone with a big snake that they could feed them to...I laughed and said I did, i winked and he noded andgrinned, which in my eyes signifies he knew what i was doing with them but did not want his kids to know as we did not say that out loud

" know everyone has their own moral line, but I haven't seen LM's yet. Seems, if it's free, it's fair game"

The lady wants me to feed them to my snake, im not partying about the idea of it...if you read my first post you would see that.......and as for my moral line???? w/e i post a couple topics to LEARN THINGS and all of a sudden im just a big sicko with no morals and yada yada. Its hard to understand someones morals when they ask a couple quick questions on the internet so have fun judging me as you do

"It seems like the people around where you live are pretty cruel to animals. I would not be seen with people like that"

You know what they probably are, i live in a small redneck town...people catch rabbits in the backyards and skin them on there front lawn for petes sake...and im not lying either my own step father did this for years, just your normal live trap laying out in the backyard......hunting is a regular thing....every weekend basicaly, to them most animals are food.....and if there not food then there pests and should be exterminated in whatever way in convinient...............I work with the cat lady , i dont "hang out" with her......these people where raised like this , to city people it seems disturbing (its a lil disturbign to me to) but when you grow up around it , its a different story...its how they live, they lived there whole lives liek this......and were not the only town like this ....i could think of a whole state that has a rep for being like this ...."sweet home a______ " so feel free to make fun of us or call us whatever....its reminds me of moma from "the waterboy" with adam sandler, the only reason i still live here is because of my friends and my job

IF I WAS SUCCCCHHHHHH A BAD PERSON WITH NO MORALS WHY WOULD I HAVE CREATED THIS TOPIC IN THE FIRST PLACE?????

IF I WAS SUCH A HORRIBLE PERSON WHO ENJOYS BEIGN CRUEL TO ANIMALS WHY HAVENT I FED THE KITTENS TO MY SNAKE YET??????????????

IF I WAS SUCH A HORRIBEL PERSON WHO DIDNT CARE ABOUT ANIMALS AND PEOPLES FEELINGS WHY WOULD I HAVE SAID CAUTION IN THE TOPIC???

I COULD HAVE JUST GOT THE KITTENS AND FED THEM TO MY BURM.... .BUT DID I??? NO BECAUSE I DONT LIKE THE IDEA OF IT........SO YOU CAN KEEP RAMBLING ON ABOUT HOW SICK AND INHUMANE I AM CUZ I DONT CARE

Ok.. chill out. You asked for opinions, and you got them. No name calling was necessary on either side.

Freezing a live animal is NOT humane for ANY species. I simply do not believe that commercial sellers pop adult Gpigs in the freezer to euthanize them. Can you imagine putting 100 or more live guineapigs in a freezer? Certainly not an efficient OR humane way of disposing of any animal. Commercial rodent breeders euthanize with Co2.

It also makes no sense that this person would not accept money for the live kittens. She just wants to get rid of them.. it sure makes it easier for her to not have the hassle of killing them AND she gets some money. This just doesn't sound right to me.

Try to tell her that...I offered her money and kept going up and she said no way......she said QUOTE" Nah i dont want people to have them, no one wants retard kitties running around, there vicious and s***, there to many damn cats running around anyways" She already knows i feed F/T so she wont give them to me alive because she knows i wont feed them to my snake.......after all the bargaining i tryed to do with her to let them live

as for freezing, i was told it is humane, the suppliers i called said thats what they do with certain species...ie Guinea pigs...... but i will look into C02 Chambers regardless......Yes i asked for opnions , not questioning my morals and everythign else i was called so yea

Any mammal stuck in a freezer is going to experience pain before dying.. not falling asleep. As the fluids in the body freeze, they expand and crystalize and destroy the tissues around them.. would you like to die that way? I'd much rather be gassed, thank you very much. Co2 has anaesthetic properties that actually DO make them 'go to sleep' before dying.

I will look into it :)

LM--for the Record, I do not think you are a Sicko. You came on here and asked a reasonable question, unfortunately, you got some unreasonable responses. And yes, you should be given some credit for HAVING ASKED!

As for freezing the GP, it looks to me like there was some miscommunication. Mistakes happen, move on.

And you are right, there is a world of difference in the rural and urban views of small furry critters, neither is right or wrong.

In my opinion, you have done nothing wrong here.

If I were you.. I'd call the SPCA (or whatever you've got there) so they can get the kittens, and then either find a rat/rabbit breeder nearby to get stock from, or research raising your own for your snake. It's vital to have a reliable source of quality food for your burm. Those sucker eat a lot.

Im actuly going to pick up some rabbits for breeding on the weekend, i cant rember the name off hand...new zealand something i think, i have it written down somewhere....im in the midst of setting up there cages right now

Thanks Monkeywrench

Only her and I know about her intentions for the kittens so far....they should be born in the next few days....she will automaticaly know it was who called them ...as seing as shes my superior at work..not good for me....if i lose my job im bascaily homeless.....i know that may sound heartless to you people...id rather keep my job then save the kitties but chances are by the time they get there to pick them up the kittens they will either be not born or already dead...because she is killing them as soon as there born....

New Zealand whites. Most efficient growing rabbit there is.. the most common meat rabbit breed. Fantastic choice.

yea i think it was you who told me about them...ive been reading so much

about rabbits and differnt breeds and how to breed them that i forgot the names of the ones im getting lol

I believe it was Becky (Satanic_Intention) who first mentioned NZW.. I just seconded her opinon.