Successful Humidity levels in a glass tank!

Believe it or not, it CAN be done right here in the desert! LOL

I've got a 15gal set up with a screen top. I covered about 85% of the top with clear contact paper. (Covered the whole thing, then cut each of the four corners out so air will circulate nicely.)

The substrate inside is that coconut stuff that you buy by the brick and soak in a bucket of water. When that is dry, the humidity levels can drop to 20%. I have a bucket of moist, fresh substrate tucked away nearby. I put two handfuls of fresh, moist stuff in the cage and swish it around. The humidity rose quickly to 65%...and will go higher if I put another handful in. It took several days for everything to dry out again with the humidity very slowly dropping back down into the 50's. When it reached 45, I took a couple handfuls of the dry stuff out and replaced it with a couple handfuls of moist....and boom...instant, constant humidity! (Well, constant for a few days anyhow....beats misting 2-3 times a day!)

Just thought I'd share....

Excellent, Judy! Bed-a-beast/eco earth/whatever they want to call it is great stuff for holding humidity. Looks nice too. All my inverts are on it, and I've used it for my sand boas in the past too.

Yup! Can be done! We have two glass enclosures here with pretty stable 60% humidity too :)

We're on the edge of the desert so it's not as tough, but keep on top of it and it's possible :)

Yup, its possible if you know how and keep on top of it.

I use a 40 gallon glass aquarium with a sheet of plywood as a lid. about 10 small holes drilled in each side of the plywood, and i use about 50 lbs of weights to weigh it down :)

the rooms humidity is around 25% , with the lid on i keep at about 75% with a decent sized water dish

Yes, I'm with you guys all the way...I'm totally into the glass tanks cause they show off my snakes so much better!!! If you know the "tricks" to keeping stable humidity levels, tanks make decent enclosures......I don't know why so many folks knock glass tanks... most of my snakes and ALL of my BP's are in em'!

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I don't know why so many folks knock glass tanks

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Its the same reason why people go out to eat a lot more now rather than to cook at home... It's EASIER another way. Misting, covering, partially covering, more misting, using moist substrate every couple of days, or daily... With a tub system, you drill it, put it on the heat tape with a water bowl, and WHAMMO... Instant perfect housing...

Granted, it can be done... but other than for the "beauty" of it.. why? If you're looking for beauty... AP/Boaphile/Vision all make beautiful products that keep husbandry issues a lot more simple than glass!

Just my opinionated opinion. :)

Not knocking glass enclosures - I have one - that I hope to get rid of one day. They are nice to showcase your animal, but like Ken said are a LOT of work!

I forget how many BP's you have - isn't it a pain to break down each glass tank every three months for your disinfection cleaning and soaking of the tanks? One tank has me running in fear when that day inevitably rolls around each quarter, I can't imagine having to disinfect and soak multiples!

Much lighter and easier to do with tubs.

If you have the patience and stamina for glass vivs, there's nothing wrong with it. I just am tired of being a slave to it! ;)

Additionally, I don't know where I would put nine glass aquariums once all my "kids" are here.

With the constantly damp substrate, don't you need to be concerned about belly rot? I've never used the stuff, so I'm not positive. It just sounds a bit odd to me. (I'm tired this morning so you may have to talk slow and use big words. ;) )

I think I'll keep my opinions on glass tanks to myself. Although its not like most of you guys don't know them already :P :D

EDIT: The above is not meant to ruffle the feathers of those who keep tanks :)

I was all about tanks for the longest time. More power to you folks - there is plenty of room for it to work very well - and you can't match that transparency.

That having been said all my tanks now house rats :P For me it came down to the number of tanks to clean and the silly weight of the bigger ones. May take a little extra effort and vigilance but glass can work fine.

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I think I'll keep my opinions on glass tanks to myself. Although its not like most of you guys don't know them already :P :D

EDIT: The above is not meant to ruffle the feathers of those who keep tanks :)

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No Raj...you just like being difficult! :neener:

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With the constantly damp substrate, don't you need to be concerned about belly rot? I've never used the stuff, so I'm not positive. It just sounds a bit odd to me. (I'm tired this morning so you may have to talk slow and use big words. ;) )

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If you mix in a couple small handfulls of damp stuff into the dry stuff...it's not the same thing as having constantly damp substrate. In fact, if you made this stuff so damp that it could cause that, the humidity would be off the charts. (At least with that screen covered the way mine is.)

When the day comes that I have more than two snakes, I will DEFinitely be finding an alternative to glass. I already plan on getting a T3 anyhow, for Kisasa...it's just that using a tank I already had made more financial sense right now, especially as the T3 would be kinda big for a wee little '05. ;)

I certainly didn't mean to imply that because the humidity can be kept up, everyone should have glass! I used to keep gerbils and I definitely know what a pain in the tail these things are to clean! I just thought I'd offer a new suggestion (one I'd never seen mentioned here before) for maintaining relatively constant humidity in these somewhat challenging enclosures.

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No Raj...you just like being difficult! :neener:

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But juuuuuuuudyyyyyyyyy....(whine). Lol.

To each his own...I imagine if I get into corns eventually, I'll probably look at tubs just to cut down the cost so I can have MORE! (Must - have - all - the - orange - ones!)

For now, for us, Rick and I enjoy tanks and the details and work they require - it's something we can do together for the health and comfort of our animals and for our own enjoyment (looking at the girls in their tanks and caring for them together). =)

Admittedly we are planning on fancy custom "vision" style cases, once our snakes grwo out of the 20L's we have. But for now we don't mind the maintenance.

I'm in the middle of writing up "Cap't Overkills Guide to Ball Pythons in a Vivarium" :) The text is 95% done, I just need to get off my butt and draw the diagrams lol.

You guys are silly. Tanks hard to clean?? Take out snake, take out furniture, roll in shop-vac, suck out substrata, spray down with chlorehexidine, let dry, replace substrata, furniture, snakes, Done! Takes me about 10 minutes of work, plus chlorehexidine drying time.

And they're heavy?? hmmmmmmmmmmm.................. I don't carry them around much, tends to stress out the snakes, so I'm not sure what the problem is.

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You guys are silly. Tanks hard to clean?? Take out snake, take out furniture, roll in shop-vac, suck out substrata, spray down with chlorehexidine, let dry, replace substrata, furniture, snakes, Done! Takes me about 10 minutes of work, plus chlorehexidine drying time.

And they're heavy?? hmmmmmmmmmmm.................. I don't carry them around much, tends to stress out the snakes, so I'm not sure what the problem is.

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Multiply by 20. I never cleaned the tanks where they sat - rather took them out of the room to where they could be cleaned more thoroughly (snakes aleady out of course to avoid said stress :P).

A 30 gallon tank vs a 90 qt rubbermaid/sterelite bin - there is a significant weight difference. Not so much a problem as an inescapable truth. It was fine for a while.

I respect everyone's choice in what they use - neither is invalidated. Nothing used to irk me more than when I felt I was being belittled for using glass tanks (not just for fish ;)). So long as you're giving your critters the care they need to thrive more power to you.

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I'm in the middle of writing up "Cap't Overkills Guide to Ball Pythons in a Vivarium" :) The text is 95% done, I just need to get off my butt and draw the diagrams lol.

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Nice! Looking forward to reading it.

The bottom line is, one can keep a snake in a glass enclosure and provide security, temperature and humidity if one knows how to achive it. The problem is that most new owners do not know what is involved in providing the three factors and run into several problems. The advice given to these owners by experienced keepers is to switch to tubs, which based on their "polymerized" properties are know to hold and retain humidity/temperature better than glass; a material 90% of the time made out of silica, soda, and lime. This composition makes glass weak when it comes to resisting high temperatures or fluctuating thermal gradients. This advice is what usually comes off on many occasions as "putting glass tanks down." If one knows how to combat this weakness, I see or have no problems with them keeping their animals in tanks :)

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Nice! Looking forward to reading it.

The bottom line is, one can keep a snake in a glass enclosure and provide security, temperature and humidity if one knows how to achive it. The problem is that most new owners do not know what is involved in providing the three factors and run into several problems. The advice given to these owners by experienced keepers is to switch to tubs, which based on their "polymerized" properties are know to hold and retain humidity/temperature better than glass; a material 90% of the time made out of silica, soda, and lime. This composition makes glass weak when it comes to resisting high temperatures or fluctuating thermal gradients. This advice is what usually comes off on many occasions as "putting glass tanks down." If one knows how to combat this weakness, I see or have no problems with them keeping their animals in tanks :)

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Good post, I'd really like to see the data on insulating properties of glass vs. plastic though, because I don't agree that plastic is better than glass. I have one brother in law who is an A/C specialist, and another who is a glazier. Their opinion is that glass is the better insulator. As my A/C brother in law put it "If plastic is that much better, why don't houses come with plastic windows?"

And how is glass "weak" in resisting high temps? I spent all yesterday melting holes in tubs for my rats with a soldering iron, try doing that to an aquarium.

This is what I managed to find on the subject.

"Soda-lime glass:
This is the most common commercial glass (90% of total production), and also the least expensive. The chemical and physical properties of soda-lime glass are the basis for its widespread use. Soda-lime glass is primarily used for bottles, jars, everyday drinking glasses, and window glass. It usually contains 60-75% silica, 12-18% soda, and 5-12% lime. Soda-lime glass is resistant neither to high temperatures nor sudden thermal changes, nor to corrosive chemicals.

Lead glass:
As the name already indicates, lead glass has a high percentage of lead oxide (at least 20% of the batch). Lead glass has a relatively soft surface, making it especially suited for decorating using grinding, cutting, and engraving processes. This glass will not withstand high temperatures or sudden changes in temperature.

Borosilicate glass:
The third major group, borosilicate glass, is any silicate glass having at least 5% of boric oxide in its composition. It demonstrates greater resistance to thermal changes and chemical corrosion. Thanks to its properties, borosilicate glass is suitable for use in industrial chemical process plants, in laboratories, for ampoules and vials in the pharmaceutical industry, in bulbs for high-powered lamps, etc. Borosilicate glass is also used in the home for cooking plates and other heat-resistant products."

Source: www.glassonweb.com

I too have a glass tank and thanks to everyone here my humidity levels are pretty stable around 55-60% with perfect heating as well. I have a 40 gallon enclosure that I custom cut a piece of plexiglass to cover most of the screen top. I cut it so that the rear of the tank has about 1.5" of ventilation and I cut a corner out for the 100W heat lamp. The tank was hovering around 30% so I put in a waterfall with a reptiflo250 pump and bumped my humidity to around 55%. With shedding I spray a few times a day and it can easily hit 80% but I never go that high. It is doable so long as you watch the levels in the tank.

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This is what I managed to find on the subject.

"Soda-lime glass:
This is the most common commercial glass (90% of total production), and also the least expensive. The chemical and physical properties of soda-lime glass are the basis for its widespread use. Soda-lime glass is primarily used for bottles, jars, everyday drinking glasses, and window glass. It usually contains 60-75% silica, 12-18% soda, and 5-12% lime. Soda-lime glass is resistant neither to high temperatures nor sudden thermal changes, nor to corrosive chemicals.

Lead glass:
As the name already indicates, lead glass has a high percentage of lead oxide (at least 20% of the batch). Lead glass has a relatively soft surface, making it especially suited for decorating using grinding, cutting, and engraving processes. This glass will not withstand high temperatures or sudden changes in temperature.

Borosilicate glass:
The third major group, borosilicate glass, is any silicate glass having at least 5% of boric oxide in its composition. It demonstrates greater resistance to thermal changes and chemical corrosion. Thanks to its properties, borosilicate glass is suitable for use in industrial chemical process plants, in laboratories, for ampoules and vials in the pharmaceutical industry, in bulbs for high-powered lamps, etc. Borosilicate glass is also used in the home for cooking plates and other heat-resistant products."

Source: www.glassonweb.com

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OK, that's some interesting info, but completely fails to address the issue of which has better insulating properties, glass or plastic?

Saying "Soda-lime glass is resistant neither to high temperatures nor sudden thermal changes, nor to corrosive chemicals." Is in no way saying that plastic is more resistant, or at all resistant.

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Originally Posted by monkeywrench133

You guys are silly. Tanks hard to clean?? Take out snake, take out furniture, roll in shop-vac, suck out substrata, spray down with chlorehexidine, let dry, replace substrata, furniture, snakes, Done! Takes me about 10 minutes of work, plus chlorehexidine drying time.

And they're heavy?? hmmmmmmmmmmm.................. I don't carry them around much, tends to stress out the snakes, so I'm not sure what the problem is.

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Erin chlorehexidine does not have to be washed out? Just spray down and let dry? That's awesome. You mean I don't have to drag the tank to the tub and rinse it all down as long as I thogoughly clean with the chlorehexidine? This definitely saves huge amounts of time.

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Erin chlorehexidine does not have to be washed out? Just spray down and let dry? That's awesome. You mean I don't have to drag the tank to the tub and rinse it all down as long as I thogoughly clean with the chlorehexidine? This definitely saves huge amounts of time.

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I don't rinse out the tank, just wipe it down. I DO rinse the water bowls after spraying them with ChlorHex, but I probably don't NEED to.

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Good post, I'd really like to see the data on insulating properties of glass vs. plastic though

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I've searched the net high and low and could not find anything. Maybe someone else would have better results.

[/QUOTE]because I don't agree that plastic is better than glass. I have one brother in law who is an A/C specialist, and another who is a glazier. Their opinion is that glass is the better insulator. As my A/C brother in law put it "If plastic is that much better, why don't houses come with plastic windows?"[/QUOTE]

There are plenty of vendors out there offering PVC windows and Doors. My own apartments windows are PVC(pvc is plastic if anyone is wondering). So I hope you would forgive me if I don't side with an AC repairman and a grazier.

[/QUOTE]And how is glass "weak" in resisting high temps? I spent all yesterday melting holes in tubs for my rats with a soldering iron, try doing that to an aquarium.[/QUOTE]

While the fact remains that silica has a 3600F melting point, which incidentally happens to be a lot higher than that of a polymer, it really is of no consequence in the matter of tubs, because we are talking about the relative thermal index of plastic vs glass. I will see what research I can dig up on the issue.

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OK, that's some interesting info, but completely fails to address the issue of which has better insulating properties, glass or plastic?

Saying "Soda-lime glass is resistant neither to high temperatures nor sudden thermal changes, nor to corrosive chemicals." Is in no way saying that plastic is more resistant, or at all resistant.

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I have heard yourself say to wrap flexwatt around the whole tank. Why don't tub owners have to do the same?

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I have heard yourself say to wrap flexwatt around the whole tank. Why don't tub owners have to do the same?

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Flexwatt really? You sure he didn't say Reflectix?

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I have heard yourself say to wrap flexwatt around the whole tank. Why don't tub owners have to do the same?

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A very good question, and to be honest, one I was just asking myself. Wrapping the tank with Reflectix is something I was told to do when I first got back in the hobby. And I took it at face value without questioning it. In light of this thread, I probably won't do it in the future, for temperature reasons. I will continue to use it on the lid. I may still wrap the tank to reduce visibility. I don't want to stress the snakes by having visible activity all around them, but I could use anything for that, not necessarily Reflectix.

****Edit**** I just remembered (new born baby duty has me a little slow right now), The Reflectix was suggested because the ambient temp in my house is 65, and raising temps in the house was impractical. So wrapping the tanks with reflectix was suggested. I have seen people with tubs do the same thing if the ambient room temps were too low. Sorry for the confusion, but thanks for the question, now I remember why I did it.

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Flexwatt really? You sure he didn't say Reflectix?

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My bad, please accept apologies for misquoting :D

Well, you could wrap the whole thing with Flexwatt, then the question of plastic vs glass would be moot! LOL!! Try getting a thermal gradient though!

Gah! I've seen this argument many times and its never ending. Yet I seem to keep getting drawn to it over and over again, sigh. Just use what ever you want to keep your snakes in. As long as you can give them the right temps and humidity and security, that is all that matters! Peace out :bored: :relax:

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Just use what ever you want to keep your snakes in. As long as you can give them the right temps and humidity and security, that is all that matters! Peace out :bored: :relax:

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AGREED!

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Gah! I've seen this argument many times and its never ending. Yet I seem to keep getting drawn to it over and over again, sigh. Just use what ever you want to keep your snakes in. As long as you can give them the right temps and humidity and security, that is all that matters! Peace out :bored: :relax:

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I'm sorry if you thought I was arguing the merits of glass tanks vs plastic tubs. I agree completely that people should use whatever they want AS LONG AS the animal's needs are being met. I was trying to understand your statement that plastic is a better insulator than glass, etc, it was contrary to what I have been told, so I wanted to see if you knew something I didn't. I didn't mean to be combative, I apologize if what I said was taken that way.

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Gah! I've seen this argument many times and its never ending. Yet I seem to keep getting drawn to it over and over again, sigh. Just use what ever you want to keep your snakes in. As long as you can give them the right temps and humidity and security, that is all that matters! Peace out :bored: :relax:

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Precisely! The kind of housing you use for your animals is a very personal thing. Given that you are able to maintain the right environment (temps, humidity, space, airflow, etc) the important thing is to be able to do it in such a way that it is easiest for YOU to maintain and also offers the kinds of rewards you are looking for as a pet owner. At this point in my "career" as a snake owner, plastic tubs would not provide that reward of seeing my snakes in an attractive and "fun" looking environment and watching them interact with it. But that's just me. It doesn't matter to me if plastic is easier to maintain because I don't mind the extra effort to keep glass.

But for some people, if they must mist daily or do other "inconvenient" things to maintain a glass enclosure (for instance) then they may be more likely to procrastinate and put it off and eventually neglect the animal all together...so simpler plastic tubs would be a much better solution for them. (I am NOT implying that folks who use plastic would otherwise neglect their animals! LOL)

Ah heck...I don't even know why I'm writing this...except that this was "my" thread and I feel like I need to defend the reason I wrote it...which is downright silly! No matter how big my collection gets in the future, I will always have a few animals in beautiful display cages....and I'll always be on the lookout for helpful tips on efficiently maintaining their environments. :)

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I was trying to understand your statement that plastic is a better insulator than glass, etc, it was contrary to what I have been told, so I wanted to see if you knew something I didn't. I didn't mean to be combative, I apologize if what I said was taken that way.

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I've kept my animals both in tanks and tubs. I could not control the humidity nor regulate the temps properly when I was a newbie and had to resort to tubs to get everything right :) So you could say that I was sold on it based on this as well as the fact that most reputable breeders keep theirs in tubs to boot. So hence my strong feelings that plastic is better when it comes to housing reptiles :D I doubt there is research out there that would give the reptile community a definite answer. The only thing I can say is see if you can give tubs a shot as well, so in that sense you have something to measure up tanks against :) And no need to apologize as all the debate is what makes life interesting :D

Greetings from Lurkerville...

This is an issue that I've been dealing w/for a while. I've got Severus in a 30-gallon glass tank, & there isn't much room in the tank for anything else besides his house & large water dish (however, he's got plenty of room to move around).

I've noticed a few "flake"-like spots on the top of his head, & thought that they might be mites (which would totally skeeve me out; I keep his tank very clean & don't let him crawl around on the floor or the ground outside when it's warm out). But, after noticing him soaking in his dish (& as far as I can tell, he's not due to shed ), the "spots" are gone.

I'm guessing that these mysterious spots are dry skin, as the humidity in his tank is (& I'm ashamed to admit this) low & the skin around his snout is a wee bit wrinkly. I've tried to combat the loss of humidity in his tank by taping plastic wrap to the removable cage top, but it doesn't seem to help any.

With humble apologies to JLC for blabbing on about my issues (even if they sort of go along w/the main topic of this thread), are there any additional tips to help raise humidity in a 30 gallon glass tank? I saw some of the tips posted earlier in this thread, & they seem to be good ones, but I'm not interested in using bark as substrate. I use newspaper, & it's been working out really well.

Thanks in advance,
LC

1)You could try and bring up the humidity of the room by using some kind of commercial humidifier.

2)Provide a humid hide made out of small rubbermaid container and damp sphagnum moss.

3)If you are using a CHE, you could place it directly above the tank over the water bowl. This is providing you have the top covered off and a section cut off for the CHE. Also it would be advisable to control the element with a proportional thermostat.

4)Mist the tank several times a day.

Also, you could try putting a wider water bowl in his tank. Wider bowl=more surface area=more evaporation.

If you are using a UTH, put a second water bowl on the hot side so that the UTH will raise the water's temp, again, more evaporation.

You could also build a tank humidifier as outlined in the DIY section of this site.

Or, if you'd like to "beautify" your tank some, get one of those Exo-terra waterfalls and put it in the tank. I used one of those for quite a while in a 20 long, kept the humidity right at 60%.

Great trick, Judy! I may have to try that! Although eventually I'd like to switch over to boaphile/vision type cages that open from the front and be in a less try climate, but that's all filed under someday. For now half the snakes in tubs, half in tanks, cuz that's what I got!

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I don't rinse out the tank, just wipe it down. I DO rinse the water bowls after spraying them with ChlorHex, but I probably don't NEED to.

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However, that's cleaning the tanks, not disinfecting them, as I understand it. I believe that Adam addressed this in a post a few months ago. Cleaning and disinfecting are very different. Disinfecting involves soaking, not just spraying and wiping down or letting dry.

So, when you disinfect all your enclosures (which I believe is recommended 2-4 times a year), not just clean them, isn't it a pain to lug all those tanks around?

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So, when you disinfect all your enclosures (which I believe is recommended 2-4 times a year), not just clean them, isn't it a pain to lug all those tanks around?

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You tell me Robin? Don't you keep Kash in a glass viv? I've yet to do the full on disenfect I just got Damain in mid January, but I am getting ready to change substrate and clean out tank then get my Flex all hooked up with my t-stat. I'm still waiting on the chlorhexidene from Matt along with my reflectix.

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However, that's cleaning the tanks, not disinfecting them, as I understand it.

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Actually, Chlorehexidine is a bacteriacide/virucide so it is a disinfectant. I'm not sure how spraying the tank down with it, then wiping it down would be cleaning, not disinfecting. That's how Vet's use it when disinfecting exam tables etc between animals.

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You tell me Robin? Don't you keep Kash in a glass viv?

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Yes, it's a pain to lug Kash's ONE tank and disinfect it. My question if it was a pain to do the same with multiples. I DON'T have experience with that.

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Actually, Chlorehexidine is a bacteriacide/virucide so it is a disinfectant. I'm not sure how spraying the tank down with it, then wiping it down would be cleaning, not disinfecting. That's how Vet's use it when disinfecting exam tables etc between animals.

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From a post that Adam made in January, I don't believe that would be considered disinfecting. Here's what he posted on another thread asking about cleaning.

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There's a huge difference between cleaning and disinfecting.

Spraying and wiping is cleaning ... soaking with a disinfectant for 15 - 30 minutes is disinfecting.

We clean every single cage, water bowl, and hide box every single week. Each month we rotate through portions of the shop disinfecting so that every 4 - 6 months every single thing in the shop is disinfected at least once (more often for quarantine cages or if a sick animal is found).

I use shop rags too ... I get them cheap enough that I can use 1 rag per box ... when we're done, they are soaked and then washed in hot water, soap, and a heavy amount of bleach.

Hope this helps.

-adam

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I think we're arguing semantics here Robin, spraying with a disinfectant and wiping down is disinfecting. Soaking in disinfectant, et. al, every 4-6 months is thorough disinfecting. It's the difference between giving your house a once over every week, and doing "spring cleaning", a matter of degrees.

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I think we're arguing semantics here Robin, spraying with a disinfectant and wiping down is disinfecting. Soaking in disinfectant, et. al, every 4-6 months is thorough disinfecting. It's the difference between giving your house a once over every week, and doing "spring cleaning", a matter of degrees.

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Which goes back to - isn't it difficult to do a thorough disinfecting with all those tanks? That's all my question is. I know that it is for ONE tank (which I hope to get rid of soon), and I wondered how challenging it was for those of you who keep multiple glass vivs to do the thorough disinfecting with soaking (as I do every three months with all my enclosures - the tubs being much easier than the glass viv).

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Which goes back to - isn't it difficult to do a thorough disinfecting with all those tanks? That's all my question is. I know that it is for ONE tank (which I hope to get rid of soon), and I wondered how challenging it was for those of you who keep multiple glass vivs to do the thorough disinfecting with soaking (as I do every three months with all my enclosures - the tubs being much easier than the glass viv).

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Does it really matter, though? I mean...we can all imagine what it feels like to lug multiple glass tanks to another room or outside and go through the process of getting them "operating-room" clean. For some people, that's really not that big of a deal...for others, it would be an insurmountable difficulty. How "hard" something is to do is entirely subjective and changes considerably from house to house and person to person. Are we just trying to prove that people who use glass tanks aren't taking as good care of their animals as those who use lighter, simpler enclosures?

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Are we just trying to prove that people who use glass tanks aren't taking as good care of their animals as those who use lighter, simpler enclosures?

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No, not at all - I use one myself.

My apologies if that's how it appears. I've not had a good day today and am particularly sensitive right now, and I guess it's "melting" into the boards. So, please accept my apologies and disregard my previous posts. I'll wait until the impending "meltdown" has passed (my personal meltdown - not board related) before I post again. :oops:

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I've not had a good day today and am particularly sensitive right now, and I guess it's "melting" into the boards. So, please accept my apologies and disregard my previous posts. I'll wait until the impending "meltdown" has passed (my personal meltdown - not board related) before I post again. :oops:

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I hope your day gets better, and that your "meltdown" is over quickly:)

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No, not at all - I use one myself.

My apologies if that's how it appears. I've not had a good day today and am particularly sensitive right now, and I guess it's "melting" into the boards. So, please accept my apologies and disregard my previous posts. I'll wait until the impending "meltdown" has passed (my personal meltdown - not board related) before I post again. :oops:

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I SO know how you feel! :hug: If you can....hot tea, soft music, and a cheesey gossip magazine! ;)