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Day/Night Cycle Question

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  • 02-18-2006, 05:03 AM
    Rusty
    Day/Night Cycle Question
    I wanted to know how to properly produce a day/night cycle for my BP's. I have a dark room and use nightglow bulbs for heat that don't produce light. How can my BP's tell when it is day or night?

    Also I don't get much sleep and sometimes the TV and computer monitors are left on all night and are facing my terrariums, does this bother BP's at all?

    Thanks,
    Rusty
  • 02-18-2006, 05:09 AM
    Smooth23
    Re: Day/Night Cycle Question
    I could be wrong, but from what I've been reading and what others been saying on this site, A day/night cycle is not neccessary as far as heat, and since they are nighttime critters they don't need light. I'm a night shifter, so when I'm home I'm chillin in front of the computer in the snake room and he doesn't care, he'll come out at night and explore his cage and all.
  • 02-18-2006, 05:18 AM
    Rusty
    Re: Day/Night Cycle Question
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Smooth23
    I could be wrong, but from what I've been reading and what others been saying on this site, A day/night cycle is not neccessary as far as heat, and since they are nighttime critters they don't need light. I'm a night shifter, so when I'm home I'm chillin in front of the computer in the snake room and he doesn't care, he'll come out at night and explore his cage and all.

    My heating is fine I just want to know how to give them a proper day/night cycle because I have such a dark room and don't use any bright heat lights.

    Also where I could find an affordable proportional thermostat for my bulbs and heat pads.

    - Rusty
  • 02-18-2006, 08:24 AM
    ddbjdealer
    Re: Day/Night Cycle Question
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rusty
    I just want to know how to give them a proper day/night cycle

    Natural light is fine unless you're breeding. When you have adult BP's, you should follow a 14 on 10 off for most of the year and slightly reduce the days when the days are getting shorter during the fall...

    But other than breeding, there is no need to provide a day/night cycle... They'll get the clue from the sun. :)
  • 02-18-2006, 09:31 AM
    kavmon
    Re: Day/Night Cycle Question
    the 2 most popular proportional stats are helix and herpstat. you can get info/products for them at

    www.helixcontrols.com

    www.spyderrobotics.com


    vaughn
  • 02-19-2006, 07:07 PM
    Rusty
    Re: Day/Night Cycle Question
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ddbjdealer

    But other than breeding, there is no need to provide a day/night cycle... They'll get the clue from the sun. :)

    I don't get much light in the room and I do want to breed.
  • 02-19-2006, 07:11 PM
    kavmon
    Re: Day/Night Cycle Question
    this is also on another thread, check out this link

    http://www.8ballpythons.com/journal/...ngcalendar.htm


    vaughn
  • 02-19-2006, 08:23 PM
    Rusty
    Re: Day/Night Cycle Question
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kavmon
    this is also on another thread, check out this link

    http://www.8ballpythons.com/journal/...ngcalendar.htm


    vaughn


    I've seen it. I think I'm just going to get sunglo bulbs for the day and have to switch them at night although its probably going to be a hassle.
  • 02-19-2006, 10:35 PM
    Regal Boids
    Re: Day/Night Cycle Question
    Or you can get a digital timer from Matt @ www.mgreptiles.com and then hook it up so the bulb goes on in the morning and shuts off at night.
  • 02-20-2006, 12:37 AM
    Rusty
    Re: Day/Night Cycle Question
    If I'm going to breed let's say next year, do they have to have day/night cycles ALL YEAR long or just during cooling and breeding season?

    Also how do you do this if all your BP's live in racks and don't have acess to natural sunlight?

    -Rusty
  • 02-20-2006, 12:43 AM
    Adam_Wysocki
    Re: Day/Night Cycle Question
    It's a good idea to get them on a light cycle as soon as possible if you will be breeding in the fall.

    It's not so much about the light cycle or the temp drop, it's all about CHANGE. A change in light cycle will help them know that it's time to breed, and without a previously established light cycle, it's hard to "show them" the change.

    Racks don't make a difference, they still allow light.

    It doesn't have to be sunlight, just regular room lamps will work ... it's about light and dark ... again, it's not really about the light cycle, it's about the change .... to a ball python, there's a big difference between 8 hours of darkness a day and 14 hours of darkness a day ... it's something that they notice. ;)

    -adam
  • 02-20-2006, 01:10 AM
    Rusty
    Re: Day/Night Cycle Question
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki
    It's a good idea to get them on a light cycle as soon as possible if you will be breeding in the fall.

    It's not so much about the light cycle or the temp drop, it's all about CHANGE. A change in light cycle will help them know that it's time to breed, and without a previously established light cycle, it's hard to "show them" the change.

    Racks don't make a difference, they still allow light.

    It doesn't have to be sunlight, just regular room lamps will work ... it's about light and dark ... again, it's not really about the light cycle, it's about the change .... to a ball python, there's a big difference between 8 hours of darkness a day and 14 hours of darkness a day ... it's something that they notice. ;)

    -adam

    What are ways to show this change? What ways of lighting can you use to show this change?

    - Rusty
  • 02-20-2006, 01:27 AM
    Adam_Wysocki
    Re: Day/Night Cycle Question
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rusty
    What are ways to show this change? What ways of lighting can you use to show this change?

    - Rusty

    On and Off.

    -adam
  • 02-20-2006, 01:41 AM
    Rusty
    Re: Day/Night Cycle Question
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki
    On and Off.

    -adam

    ?
  • 02-20-2006, 01:52 AM
    jknudson
    Re: Day/Night Cycle Question
    Room lighting if you don't use lamps on your caging will be the key for that distinction.


    Jason
  • 02-20-2006, 07:22 AM
    ddbjdealer
    Re: Day/Night Cycle Question
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rusty
    What are ways to show this change? What ways of lighting can you use to show this change?

    You got the link to Adam's breeding calendar... the changes in the light cycle are shown to the BP by the presence of light, and the presence of darkness. So, for example, Adam shows 14 on and 10 off for most of the year... then slowly bringing it down to 12 on 12 off, 10 on 14 off, etc..
  • 02-20-2006, 09:14 AM
    Regal Boids
    Re: Day/Night Cycle Question
    And if you dont feel like futsding with the plugs then get a digital timer from Matt like I said before. Sorry if i sounded rude but i didnt mean to be.
  • 02-20-2006, 08:35 PM
    Rusty
    Re: Day/Night Cycle Question
    Thanks alot for your help guys I'm going to be switching to tubs soon so I'll be getting rid of all my bulbs. I will be trying to breed this year so to provide the BP's with a day/night cycle can I use a regular table lamp on a timer facing the tubs where my snakes will be in? And does it matter what kind of bulb I use for the table lamp, any suggestions?

    - Rusty
  • 02-20-2006, 08:39 PM
    Adam_Wysocki
    Re: Day/Night Cycle Question
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rusty
    to provide the BP's with a day/night cycle can I use a regular table lamp on a timer facing the tubs where my snakes will be in?

    It doesn't have to face the tubs. A lit room is enough .... light, dark, light, dark ... bp's can tell the difference. ;)

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rusty
    And does it matter what kind of bulb I use for the table lamp, any suggestions?

    The snakes don't have a preference. ;)

    -adam
  • 02-20-2006, 08:45 PM
    Rusty
    Re: Day/Night Cycle Question
    Awesome. I tried to put them together last month and nothing happened, now I know why. Someone told me to just cool them all day and all night for the whole month but I wasn't sure that was safe so I only cooled at night. Maybe I didn't cool enough or they just didn't notice the change enough. :no:
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