As Promised a few Orchid pictures.

Hello everyone. Just a few chids to brighten some spirits or just to look at. I hope you enjoy. I will be rotateing these out to conserve space.

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...orLiveOak8.jpg
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...Rigidum001.jpg
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OOOOooooOOOOO VERY PRETTY! I want one like the top..but I am afraid I would probably kill it if they are hard to care for. So pretty to look at though! Keep the pics coming.

Jeanne that orchid on top is not hard to care for. Its really pretty easy to be honest. Just like keeping BPs once you know what your doing its really pretty easy. They are just different than regular houseplants. Follow a few sinple rules and you will have lots of flowers like that one. That plant accualy had over 120 of those dragon like flowers and is fragrent. Not a flowery smell. I like it but dad thinks it stinks. Hard to explain. Wife doesn't like it either. But mom and I do. Go figure. In fact that is called a Gongora tricolor 'Live Oak' The Live Oak part os that particular crosses name. So unless I gave you a devision of that plant no other will have that name, unless someone clones it. Gongora tricolor is the species name. I was able to get the thing to bloom while it was hanging in a north faceing sliding glass window. If anyone has any questions feel free to ask. I don;t mind shareing info. Everyone here has helped me out tremendously with my BP's and am truely greatfull. Thank you everyone.

This is SCL Eleatha #23. I;m not sure if the #23 is part of the name. I;m sure its not it is probably just the 23 plant of this crossing. Each sibli8ng from the seedpod has the potential to look different than the other flowers from a seedpod. Sometimes drasticly different in terms of color when doing Hybred orchids.


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This flower grew to 6 inches across before it faded. I didnt get a chance to take a picture of it when it was 6 inches across.

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Jeanne that orchid on top is not hard to care for. Its really pretty easy to be honest. Just like keeping BPs once you know what your doing its really pretty easy. They are just different than regular houseplants. Follow a few sinple rules and you will have lots of flowers like that one. That plant accualy had over 120 of those dragon like flowers and is fragrent. Not a flowery smell. I like it but dad thinks it stinks. Hard to explain. Wife doesn't like it either. But mom and I do. Go figure. In fact that is called a Gongora tricolor 'Live Oak' The Live Oak part os that particular crosses name. So unless I gave you a devision of that plant no other will have that name, unless someone clones it. Gongora tricolor is the species name. I was able to get the thing to bloom while it was hanging in a north faceing sliding glass window. If anyone has any questions feel free to ask. I don;t mind shareing info. Everyone here has helped me out tremendously with my BP's and am truely greatfull. Thank you everyone.

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Its sooooo pretty! Wow, I learned something new.... THANKS!

SO is that a cross you did? Why would no other plant look like it? And how to you cross them? Now you got my interest going......


and I was thinking about getting a venus fly trap.... hehe..... now you got me lookin at orchids.

Wow...those are beautiful. I have such a black thumb, I kill even fake plants. =P

Traps are even easier to gro. Full sun inch or so rain water and let it go. Mother nature puts them to sleep and will wake them up. Unless your someplace that freezes up harder than a cave man frozen in ice. No I didnt do this cross. This is one of my first orchids I bought. Its a cross between two species tricolor or another tricolor crossed back to itself. The flowers will look the same as far as shape and size, but the markings and coloration patterns may be different. I have seen 5 sibbling orchids grown in the same greenhouse range in color from orange to pink. Thats why you could have 5 different gongora tricolors and all have different names like Gongora tricolor 'live oak' or Gongora tricolor 'Jeanne' and then say Gongora tricolor 'Red dragon' or something. That way if say your plant gets awarded and its name is Gongora tricolor 'Jeanne' and someone wanted to buy a plant that looked like yours as in having the same exact color patern and colors of your flower they would have to get a devision from you or you would have to get your plant cloned to produce exact copies, because if you say cross your Gongora tricolor 'Jeanne' back upon itself (self polinate) then you will still have Gongora tricolor because its a species crossed back to itself or even another tricolor, but the flowers will still have some variation in them. Some being more red with less green some may have more green depending on the recombination of genes. Then if one of those plants get awarded then you can register another name like say Gopngora tricolor 'green Dragon' if there is alot of green in the offsprings flower. Just helps to seperate the plants down even more than just to species level. So if I got this plant awarded and you want to have a plant just like it then you would look for seedlings that have the name Gongora tricolor "live Oak" ( the " means its a clone) or Gongora tricolor 'Live Oak' (the ' means its a devision of the original plant) If you looked for just say a Gongora tricoor you will get the same flowe same basic shape, but the flowers may not have as good of form or color as mine because its not the same plant, and therefor may not be of award quality. Or better say its not proven award quality. It could be better, but just hasn't recieved an award yet.

If you look at this thread http://forum.theorchidsource.com/cgi...;f=38;t=003822 you will see 5 different plants from the same seedpod. This is a guy who hybredises and these are 5 of the offspring blooming. Notice that all 5 are different. No say one of those was awarded and someone wanted to buy one of those and they go get a plant that is just the same cross they may not get the same flower look. So to get the same flower color and shape and all you need to get that particular named cross because a sibling or a prodigy will look different.

Just like crossing two BP all the siblings are going to be differently paterned. And like some BP orchids that have proven to pass on certain traits can also demand a very high price.

BTW I did cross this plant back to itself and have the seeds being flasked( a whole nother story on how to grow chids from sed) and as soon as they are big enogh I will get them back. Should be about 25 plants or so. Any more questions just ask. Even about Carnivorous plants. I grow them too. My traps are all dorment at the moment though. A requirment to keep them living more than a few years.

Cassandra there is even a few orchids for you too. there are some that like to stay so dry that it would seem almost impossible to kill unless you over water. BTW over watering is the biggest killer of orchids. And heck I duno why I do so good. I kill Aloe and most folks do well with those. Just takes a little practice and of course you willhave some deaths of orchids, but anyone can grow them. Even the black thumbed Cassandra.

Hehe, thanks for the vote of confidence...I might have to try some sometime....but in meantime, keep your pictures coming! =)

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but anyone can grow them. Even the black thumbed Cassandra.

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Wow, that sounds like a cool orchid! :)

Well the one up top can;t take the neglect of not being watered for too long. It can have its spells because it has the psudobulbs, but not to the extreme like these other I heards about. I haven;t grown the abuse no water kinds yet. LMAO I water to much. So I adjust my mix and things to help accomidate for my heavy watering sometimes, but even that the Gongora I feel Cassandra could grow once she knew how to do it. I have over 100 ( and thatws a small collection a friend of mine has over 400) orchids and some are picky but many are not. I will have blooms galor in a few months. I have about 13 to 15 plants in spike in the GH

maybe that would be a cool gift for my mom for valentines day.

nice orchids Josh.

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Traps are even easier to gro. Full sun inch or so rain water and let it go. Mother nature puts them to sleep and will wake them up. Unless your someplace that freezes up harder than a cave man frozen in ice. No I didnt do this cross. This is one of my first orchids I bought. Its a cross between two species tricolor or another tricolor crossed back to itself. The flowers will look the same as far as shape and size, but the markings and coloration patterns may be different. I have seen 5 sibbling orchids grown in the same greenhouse range in color from orange to pink. Thats why you could have 5 different gongora tricolors and all have different names like Gongora tricolor 'live oak' or Gongora tricolor 'Jeanne' and then say Gongora tricolor 'Red dragon' or something. That way if say your plant gets awarded and its name is Gongora tricolor 'Jeanne' and someone wanted to buy a plant that looked like yours as in having the same exact color patern and colors of your flower they would have to get a devision from you or you would have to get your plant cloned to produce exact copies, because if you say cross your Gongora tricolor 'Jeanne' back upon itself (self polinate) then you will still have Gongora tricolor because its a species crossed back to itself or even another tricolor, but the flowers will still have some variation in them. Some being more red with less green some may have more green depending on the recombination of genes. Then if one of those plants get awarded then you can register another name like say Gopngora tricolor 'green Dragon' if there is alot of green in the offsprings flower. Just helps to seperate the plants down even more than just to species level. So if I got this plant awarded and you want to have a plant just like it then you would look for seedlings that have the name Gongora tricolor "live Oak" ( the " means its a clone) or Gongora tricolor 'Live Oak' (the ' means its a devision of the original plant) If you looked for just say a Gongora tricoor you will get the same flowe same basic shape, but the flowers may not have as good of form or color as mine because its not the same plant, and therefor may not be of award quality. Or better say its not proven award quality. It could be better, but just hasn't recieved an award yet.

If you look at this thread http://forum.theorchidsource.com/cgi...;f=38;t=003822 you will see 5 different plants from the same seedpod. This is a guy who hybredises and these are 5 of the offspring blooming. Notice that all 5 are different. No say one of those was awarded and someone wanted to buy one of those and they go get a plant that is just the same cross they may not get the same flower look. So to get the same flower color and shape and all you need to get that particular named cross because a sibling or a prodigy will look different.

Just like crossing two BP all the siblings are going to be differently paterned. And like some BP orchids that have proven to pass on certain traits can also demand a very high price.

BTW I did cross this plant back to itself and have the seeds being flasked( a whole nother story on how to grow chids from sed) and as soon as they are big enogh I will get them back. Should be about 25 plants or so. Any more questions just ask. Even about Carnivorous plants. I grow them too. My traps are all dorment at the moment though. A requirment to keep them living more than a few years.

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Wow, great info! Thanks! Hehe, although, I had to read it a couple of times to "get" it. Hehehe. Please keep the pics coming, those are the prettiest flowers I have ever seen.....

sorry for the loose lipped explination I normaly need to get my ideas out on paper then reread it a couple of times to make it flow. That was all off the top of my head. I hope the website with the 5 different sibblings helped the explination. Thanks Mr Python. I think an Orchid would make a perfect gift for Vday. Just start off with something from Lowes or Home depot those are beiner orchids and shold be easy to reflower. Will not find a gongora there though, but other pretty orchids.

The top one is very cool.

I don't know what they're called, but there's an orchid species that has long petals that twist around.. it's very exotic looking.

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...BulboLobii.jpg
This one comes from a group of orchids that normally smell of rotten flesh to attract the fly to pollinate them. Luckily this one doesn't;t stink.
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This is a first time bloomer that smells of black licorice and give me a headache if I give a big smell. Look pretty though
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This is a Paphiopedilum at one of my favorite Greenhouses to visit. The petals of this flower suposedly continue to elongate if they do not hit something. That way ants can easily climb to the flower to polinate it.

April are you refuring to the last picture I just posted> Those are paphiopedilums they are one of the slipper orchids and suposedly a beginner orchid. Most anyways. Not all Paphs though have the long petals so you need to know species or hybred to look for. I like them too. I think I have one, but its still to small to bloom. The biggest and baddest Paph is called Paph Rothschildianum http://www.orchidspecies.com/paphrothchildianum.htm
and is known as the grand daddy of all Paph Also not a beginner from what I gather, but still can be managed by a novice I think. Heck thats all I am. I only have 3 years growing under the belt. This paph has a huge flower, but also slow to grow and expencive. can take up to 7 years for a seedling to get big enough to flower. I bought one in a 3 inch pot for 30 bucks. Thats about 3 times more than average seedlings. Also a flowering sized plant can run a pretty price. I would say mine has about 3 to 4 more years before I see any blooms. But thats what you have to do if you want to spend as less as possible.

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sorry for the loose lipped explination I normaly need to get my ideas out on paper then reread it a couple of times to make it flow. That was all off the top of my head. I hope the website with the 5 different sibblings helped the explination. Thanks Mr Python. I think an Orchid would make a perfect gift for Vday. Just start off with something from Lowes or Home depot those are beiner orchids and shold be easy to reflower. Will not find a gongora there though, but other pretty orchids.

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No man! It wasn't you, it was me, genetics in general get me discombobbled.... or is that discombobulated..... ;) I am sure you get the idea. But after I read it again, I put 2 and 2 together... just takes a few minutes to sink it, thats all. I have been cruising that site, wow, nifty info, book marked it for more use. Now you really got my interest.... although, I may actually give something like this a try! Where do you get beefy orchids? Got any more links to share for me to find EVEN MORE info?

That is very similar to what I was thinking of. The flower I saw had a tight twist to the long petals.

That plant is awesome!

Jeanne here is the online orchid species encyclopedia. It is alomst a complete list of orchid SPECIES. Not hybreds between species. The only hybred that is on there is Paph sedenii and I think it may be a natural hybred that might be why its in there.
http://www.orchidspecies.com/
This is a good orchid site that has some good info and it telle you what the hybred abreviations mean and what it takes to make that kind of hybred.
http://www.orchidlady.com/
This is the America orchid society's webpage.
http://orchidweb.org/aos/default.aspx
This is another good info site
http://retirees.uwaterloo.ca/~jerry/orchids/names.html
RHS website Royal horticulture society
http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registration_orchids.asp
This is another good forum on Orchids too.
http://www.rv-orchidworks.com/orchidtalk/forum.php

April would the one your talking about look something like this one?
http://forum.theorchidsource.com/cgi...;f=38;t=003779
or
http://forum.theorchidsource.com/cgi...=001748#000000

There are many different paphs and who knows you may be talking about one of the antilope types of Dendrobiums os something else that has twisted petals April there are alot.

I figured there was more than one. It was like the one in the first link there just white.

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...d002resize.jpg

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...tavarAlba1.jpg

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil.../PaphHoney.jpg

Here are just a few more of the past blooms.

Thanks for the links! I have been slowly crawling through them. Great info indeed!

You know, you've really piqued my interest here. Could you recommend a good paphiopedilum to start with? The longer the petals the more I like them.

I know nothing of orchid care.. but they are so gorgeous. Is there a good basic 'care sheet' for paphs?

Just out of curiosity, are you going to the Southeastern Flower Show at the Georgia World Congress Center this weekend?

No Robin I am not. I wasn't aware there was such an event going on. Where is it located and what time? I have been busy remodeling the house, work, school, getting my BPs taken care of so I don't continue to freeze them, and trying to clean up the wreck of a house from all the remodeling and spring cleaning we are attempting to do. LOL There was suposed to be three new pics instead I just see the two. Have to see what happened to my other picture. April Paphs are a pretty easy group from what I have been told. I just rebloomed one I bought over a year ago. It didn't like what it was potted in so after I repotted it it spiked. I need to take a picture of it after it opens. I will get you a basic caresheet for a paph. I also will look for a paph that has long petals for you that might be a good one to try. I am looking trough the species and then you would want to find a hybred with one of the parents that has long petals and the prodigy should have long petals too. I can't think of any off the top of my head. I don;t have any of those yet. I have been drooling over some, but haven't invested yet. I am trying to clean out some of the plants in my GH before I get some more. I got alot of Cattleya hybreds from a lady who was downsizing her GH. Many are not labeled, but I have had some beauties come from the potluck.

I appreciate it Josh. I've got some boring ugly plants that I'd like to replace with something more interesting. Is it a good idea to order orchid plants online? Any good sites for doing so?

Josh, it's today through Sunday at the Georgia World Congress Center, downtown Atlanta. I just heard them announce it on the radio this morning, and thought of you, because I know you're in GA too.

http://forum.theorchidsource.com/cgi...=003139#000003
April look at this topic. It has some info and a couple of pics for you to look at on Paphs or Phrags. Here is a link to the AOS culture sheet for Paphs, but there is better ones on the net frm what I hear. http://www.orchidweb.org/aos/uploade...turepaphio.pdf

Phragmipedium or Phrags are also slipper orchids and like to remain a little wetter than a Paph does. It also has some long peteled multiflorals too. So far a Phrag has not been crossed with a Paph, but if it could be done it may be interesting. Each has a little different pouch than the other. There are also 3 other types of slippers too. There is the North american slipper called Cypripedium. They need to be planted in the ground and are hardy to north America. They require a fungus in the ground to grow. They would not be a beginner plant and grow plant. Need to do some reading on them. I will be trying some onc3e I do a trade for some. They can be grown, just different culture than most orchids. They do not have the long petals though. Then you have the Mexipedium. Its a miniature slipper and has only one species in the group. Then I cannot remember the name of the last slipper type orchid. You can do a search for Paphiopedilum culture sheet or Phragmipedium culture sheet and will come up with some good info on slippers.

I found this just be doing a quick search.
http://www.clanorchids.com/culture/paphcult.htm
http://www.paphiopedia.com/wiki/inde...edilum_Culture
The one above has a good picture of a lng peteled paph in it too. It is Paph Prince Edward of York
http://www.sonic.net/~sherwd/links.html
http://www.paphs.net/Paph2.htm

There is just a few links. There is a ton of info on the net so if these do not prove to be adiquate there is a TON more. Those were just from a quick search for you. I am about to g back and read up on the sonic.net one. Enjoy and let me know if you get something. Just a warning though. Paphs and phrags are notorious slow growers. You can get a seedling for about 10 bucks or so, but those could be a few years from flowering. You can get a bulldog type paph at lowes for about 15 to 20 bucks in flower, but they are not the long peteled kind. A flowering sized Paph or Phrag of the type you want can be 50 bucks easy. That is small change compaired to some of the BPs but just thought I would warn you. If you do choose to get a seedling do not give up if it takes some time to flower. Personaly I would get another type when you get your slipper too. One that doesn't take as long to bloom like an Oncidium, Phalinopsis, or other easy and quick to bloom orchid for a confidence booster. There are some people who are fabulous orchid growers that cannot grow certain types of orchids for one reason or another. Goodluck and feel free to contact me on what you find and would like to try.

Thanks Robin. It feels good to be thought of. Woo hoo. he he. I don't think I will be able to make it up there. Even though it would be nice. I will be in ATL on Thur the 16th with my Orchid society. We are going to the Atl Botanical Gardens. We are getting a private tour of the orchid house and get to go behind the scenes and see their closed to the public areas. It should be facinating. The Orchid house cost them 10 million to setup. I hear they also have a stunning CP collection. Once I get done with Nursing school I plan to go to alot of those shows and things. I think if I took off now with things left undone and wife working fri and sat I may get a dirty look. I have a honey do list as long as my arm. Bummer there is always next year. Thanks for letting me know about it Robin.

Wow thank you. I really like the phrag grande. I will look into that.. $50 doesn't scare me. :) I was expecting to have to pay at least that much.

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Wow thank you. I really like the phrag grande. I will look into that.. $50 doesn't scare me. :) I was expecting to have to pay at least that
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lol at first i thought u wrote frag grenade and spelled it wrong.i gotta stop playing rainbow 6

Cool cool I am glad you found the info helpfull. Phrags need to stay wetter then paphs and if you get a phrag I hear they do good in what is called Semi-Hydro. Paph do not do well in it, but phrags I hear do. I have a Phrag Sedenii in it and it seems to be doing good, and I have one in a bark LFS mix that is doing ok too. S/H your not suposed to be able to over water plants grown in it and when you repot you do not have to disturb the roots. The only drawback is since you do not disturb the roots they become over grown over time and choke out the plants own root system. Since orchid root require oxygen that can be a bad thing. But still great for a beginer. Just remeber Paphs do not do good in it. The flowers of Sedenii are not long peteled like your looking for but are a nice flower none the less. http://www.orchidspecies.com/phragsedeni.htm
Its not suposed to be on this site because its technicaly a Hybred and not a species, but he has it there so I am linking to his picture.

April you may want to look at this topic again. There has been some more stuff posted.
http://forum.theorchidsource.com/cgi...c;f=1;t=003139

You may also want to go to the home of that forum and bookmark it too. They have helped me alot.

Fantastic.. I think I like the paphs better. Paph. roebelenii is awesome.

http://www.goreorchidconservatory.co...oebelenii.html

Here you go April just in case you haven't found one for sale yet. I am not sure how long till the speciman flowers, but you couls ask Mat Gore the owner of this website. I just looked up the one you were wanting and I have to admit that does look nice. I might have to pick one of those up too in a month or two. I already have money setback for a new Tat so orchids are on the back burner. Plus I need to clear out some of the NoIDs I have.

Cool.. thanks. How long would a 12" plant take to bloom do you think?

I;m not shure April. You would need to emal Matt. I have limited experience with Paphs. I have a few, but Matt and Lance Burk have LOADS of experience. You can Message Lance on The Orchid Source Forum. Lance had the Largest personal collection of Paphs in the states until his collection was devistated by rust. It wiped out his entire collection. He was heavy in Paph species. I know that the leaf span is what they look for to know if its mature enough to flower. Those guys or someone else with extencive Paph experience could answer that one.

How horrid to have your whole collection die off..

I might just e-mail him.

Yeah and there was nothing he could do. Rust has no cure. He couldn't even give any good plants to people to hold for him because rust sporulates and if he gave a seeming ok plant to someone he could have spread the rust to them so he had to do what he could, but it eventualy killed all his plants. Some were irriplaceable. Oh I know its not what your looking for, but look at the newest species of Phrag that was discovered in 2002. They are not available in the states yet because of CITES, but some flasks just came in or will be comien soon and then those will be further bread and gotten ready to sell in the sates.
http://www.orchidspecies.com/phragkovatchii.htm

Take a look here this guy went to Puru to see it in the wild it is so Awsome!! And HUGE

http://forum.theorchidsource.com/cgi...=004247#000007

Wow, that is huge. Beautiful flower.

Someday when I have my own house, I'd like to have some sort of greenhouse. I love exotic and tropical plants.

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Someday when I have my own house, I'd like to have...

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...an aviary with lots of tropical birds. I actually really like birds, I just hate the idea of having them in the house because they're so noisy and messy (at least those birds owned by friends of mine are).

...a house with rooms dedicated to different arts. Oil painting in the living room, quilting in a guest bedroom, pottery in the garage/basement, writing in the attic library. I hate getting a project going just to have to clean it up and put it away...someday, someday.

But orchids, I'll save them my slow torture and death...;)

Well my greenhouse just may include tropical aviary birds. :P