retic taking a pig

http://media.putfile.com/My-Evil-Snake


wow... this vid shows a large retic taking a live pig. im posting this not to promote live feeding before anybody jumps on me but to show the raw strength and power of a retic. always feed prekilled or frozen thawed. NEVER FEED LIVE LIKE THIS VIDEO!!! this is exactly what you should not do for your pet snake if you love them. oh and there seems to be another snake in the cage with it. bad bad bad bad...

Can I pick up a F/T Pig at the pet sore?

AWESOME FIND !!! everyone i know thinks im sadistic but i say im just assisting natures course

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Originally Posted by Waste Land

Can I pick up a F/T Pig at the pet sore?

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i doubt it, you might have better luck with your local butcher ... ;)

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Originally Posted by BiGBaLLiN

this is exactly what you should not do for your pet snake if you love them.

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Give me a break.

-adam

i totally agree with adam ..

I will also have to agree

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

Give me a break.

-adam

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Have to agree aswell. You people jump on the feeding live kills bandwagon and go ballistic.

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

Give me a break.

-adam

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what exactly do you mean by that? that its ok to feed live?

with proper supervision feeding live can be better .. there is more that can go wrong with F/T feeders than Live. If a mouse is not properly defrosted it can be harmful to the snakes health in the long run.. (im not too sure of the details) but my guess it can possibly regurg it, and then have fun getting the snake feeding again. With live food, as i said it in a few other posts ur just assisting nature in its course. If a snake was not capable of feeding on live food than I guess it would be pretty difficult for them to survive in the wild. In my personal experience and from what ive researched most people feed live because royals tend to be picky eaters, and most of the time dont fancy F/T mice. There are plenty more reasons.. but im just to lazy to include them.

IM PRO-LIVE FEEDER

im just gonna leave it at that cause i think there is another thread with like a 23452356457 page debate on it.

That's seriously cool. I was sitting there telling myself: "It's just like how the BPs eat, just on a larger scale." But, no joke, seeing that snake open its mouth that wide is scary to me. Those big snakes kinda freak me out. Big and fast and powerful!

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Originally Posted by BiGBaLLiN

im just gonna leave it at that cause i think there is another thread with like a 23452356457 page debate on it.

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yeah there are many posts about this debate, and it seems in the end feeding live "wins". Not in the sense that its better than f/t but that it's a good responsible way to feed your snake. There is nothing wrong with it. and for the maybe few dozen of snakes that die each year from feeding live {and few dozen is probably an overestimate} millions of snakes feed live both in captivity and in the wild. And its hard to argue with nature...

I would never feed live, but it is more of a preference. Feeding live is definitely okay if you aren't stupid about it like some people who get snakes just to see them kill a live mouse.

This video was pretty cool, but was there another retic in the enclosure with it? I thought I saw it sniffing the retic eating the pig. I'd definitely have something to say about that. That's just an accident/bite waiting to happen.

"My Evil Snake" huh? *shrugs* Everyone has to eat buddy...

That's a pretty impressive video, for sure. Coulda done without the cheesy/sleazy music though. :P

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I thought I saw it sniffing the retic eating the pig. I'd definitely have something to say about that. That's just an accident/bite waiting to happen.

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I saw the same thing and had the same exact thought. But then I wondered if maybe it was the snake's own tail sort of waving a bit in the background. I suppose I could go back and study the video closer to be sure, but I'm too lazy..... LOL

WOW!!! THat was cool!! THe power of these animals is just so impressive....and you can call me sadistic as well, because i loved the "spooky" music and kept thinking, "little pig' little pig, let me come in...! :)

Well spoken,well spoken...(clapclapclap). Snakes in the wild can't exactly go up and order somethin from the "frozen snacks bar", now can they?lol Plus, the oppotunity for an already dead meal is slim, because of scavengers and stuff.

Not trying to feed the debate or anything here, but I feed F/T. I do it for a few reasons. 1. My cats will tear my house up to get to a live mouse. 2. I don't have to feed them. 3. My son cried because he got attached to the first mouse we had. 4. There isn't a herp vet near us and a regular vet would charge a fortune to work on snakes. (I have one snake with several scars probably related to feeding, could be bad husbandry issues.) I am not opposed to live feeding, I just find it easier myself to feed F/T.

Now to the next thing. These Retic videos are getting out of hand. I had a dream the other night that I adopted a female Burm and Retic off someone who couldn't keep it anymore. Then next thing I know I have this 30ft python chasing me around the house with it's mouth open. It was crazy! There was teeth flying every where. It even killed my pet tiger!!!! I had one in my dream cause tigers are my favorite animal. When I woke up I had to go check on my babies to make sure they were not man eating monsters!

I dont like the music. Makes the snake out to be so bad and "evil" when they're not :D

Live-most of the time. I always monitor my snakes when feeding. If the snake is not interested right away (easy to tell by its reaction to it) I take it out right away. I have never had any problems with live feeding in all the snakes I have/had. Always be there and take the prey out if the snake isn't interested. Feeding birds is fine though. They cannot really injure a snake. I have F/T sometimes, but I feel guilty feeding F/T. Now, I began and ended a 5 page argument about live on a different forum and there wasn't a single person there that listened to your points/opinions, but this forum if GREAT!

if you are extra careful and take precautions when feeding live, its ok but i just think that there is that chance that something will happen. the reason being is that my friend was feeding a live rat to his boa and when the boa struck, the rat i guess got angry or something and started going around and nipping the snake. i saw that and told my self that i wouldnt feed live unless i really really had to. thats just me though. we ended up taking the rat out and the snake didnt eat for a few weeks.

i think the post you just put up explains the part of the issue. that being that live is ok when precautions are taken. i know personnally that i take every precaution i can to be sure my guy is doing fine. and from what i have read on the site, correct me if i am wrong adam, he feeds live to his animals. i have seen pics of his collection and there is no way he would jeopardize the well being of such expensive snakes. not to say that my normal doesnt deserve the same care because he does and i try to give it to him, just an example. f/t, prekilled, or live w/e you wanna feed is fine, but they are all acceptable and safe methods of feeding when done right

That's exactly what I was thinking too Karma! The whole "My Evil Snake" title and the menacing music in the background. And you have to go out on a limb and say that most people are going to find a little pig cuter than a 30 foot python (I personally would go for the python).

I'll make a video called "My Evil Human" and show a bunch of people eating at Burger King with menacing music playing. :)

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I'll make a video called "My Evil Human" and show a bunch of people eating at Burger King with menacing music playing. :)

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:judge: :lmao: Hahahaha! Good one! You know, that could be really hilarious if done right!

Then you'd have men like my husband muttering about how "they didn't fight and claw their way to the top of the food chain to end up eating like bunnies!!!" Dang but that man o mine is a major carnivore! LOL (okay techinically an omnivore but you get the idea LOL)

~~Jo~~

im late on this one but i just wanna say that i didnt like the music playing. it made the snake look evil. other then that it was cool.

my view on feeding live is this; feeding live is fine as long as you monitor it and make sure no harm comes to your snake. people say "thats how nature intended it" but i dont believe that to be true. in nature the the prey would have the however much space they wanted to flee if it felt it was in danger but in captivity it's not like that. in captivity both the snake and the prey is in a confined space and if the rodent feels its in danger it will bite the snake because there is nowhere to go.

thats just my 2 cents.

That was a cool flick but the music was BAD and the I could have done w/o the view of the pigs butt.
As for the live feed debate, I have a hard time w/ my bp feeding so I asked Adam about feeding live and he said give it a try and my bp eats a whole lot better now than before.
As for the cat after the mice I have a cat and I keep my mice cage in a cabinet and so far she doesn't even know their there ( so far so good )
And I think mice are pretty stupid and dont even realize danger as I leave the mice in no more than 20-30 mins and I have seen them go right up to my bp nose to nose and never suspect a thing.
Also there have been times when Ozzy just wasn't hungry and I have looked over to find the mouse riding along on Ozzy's back as he moves from hide to hide:)

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Originally Posted by HadesBP18

I'll make a video called "My Evil Human" and show a bunch of people eating at Burger King with menacing music playing. :)

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Heehee, I agree with JLC. Although, "Super Size" has scary humans eating in it -- does that count?

The thing that always gets me about the "omg don't feed reptiles cute widdle mousy wousies! They must live free!" is that I don't hear anyone crying out to protect the lives of crickets and mealy worms from pet lizards and such...:confused:

did anyone else notice that that is two videos combined? watch carefully at the beginning, one of the retics takes the pig by the head, the other takes it near the rear.

I preferably feed live, pre-killed is fine! When the mouse goes in I wait with a pencil or pen something that "if" Mary J doesn't get the mouse in the head I can hold the head of the mouse up so it does not do no damage!

The only problem with pre-killed is when the snake doesnt wanna eat some ppl make the stupid mistake of putting the mouse back into a bag and freeze it again! BIG NO NO! The mouse has already started to de-compose, so when u thaw it out again and the snake eats it, your snake could de-compose from the stomach out. I've have actually witnessed this happening with a "old" freind of mine and there is nothing you can do the vets can't even help ur snake at this point!

-pouts-
i only see a green screen.

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i prefer to feed f/t rats.
crowley prefers live mice.
we're the odd couple.

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Originally Posted by Sheets12

The only problem with pre-killed is when the snake doesnt wanna eat some ppl make the stupid mistake of putting the mouse back into a bag and freeze it again! BIG NO NO! The mouse has already started to de-compose, so when u thaw it out again and the snake eats it, your snake could de-compose from the stomach out.

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i'd like to see some science to back up your claims... i've done that before and i know a LOT of others have to. besides, snakes eat carrion in the wild all the time.

I said it doesnt always happen but it has been documented, and I was there during the feeding and at the vet's office.

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Originally Posted by Sheets12

I said it doesnt always happen but it has been documented, and I was there during the feeding and at the vet's office.

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Care to share the documentation?

O yea let me go ask the vet if I can have a copy of the forms that wasn't even owned by me with some1 else's name on the paper he'll think I am tryin to get some1's address to kill them! O NO I got it! Ill go get the news crew we had there filming this spectacular event!

The veternarians aren't aloud to give out that info. They can tell you what's written on the sheets of paper except for the name and address of the patient's owner. "It has been documented" not "I have documented it" My freinds at my local pet store, in my town, will even tell you that.

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Originally Posted by Sheets12

O yea let me go ask the vet if I can have a copy of the forms that wasn't even owned by me with some1 else's name on the paper he'll think I am tryin to get some1's address to kill them! O NO I got it! Ill go get the news crew we had there filming this spectacular event!

The veternarians aren't aloud to give out that info. They can tell you what's written on the sheets of paper except for the name and address of the patient's owner. "It has been documented" not "I have documented it" My freinds at my local pet store, in my town, will even tell you that.

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No need to be a Smart$%@ about it.:rolleyes:

that was rude.
you cant simply get your friend to get the documents?

im not exactly understanding- are you saying the f/t started to decompose inside the snake and started to cause the snake's stomach to decompose?? unless that rat was left out for a rediculous amount of time on the first thawing and then was allowed to settle again on the next feeding, even then, wouldnt the snake's stomac dissolve most of the problem? i dont see how something dissolving being set with something non-dissolving could cause total disolvation (lol word?)
thats like. if i ate decomposed roadkill. yes i would get sick. no i would not rot O.O

dont think of it as eating ur snake away from the inside. its a kinda slow process. after u unthaw a mouse, it begins to decompose, those decomposing organs create "mild" (not harmful) bacteria when u freeze it again then unthaw again it speeds up the process of bacteria producing organisms. the snake doesn't decompose "persay" from the inside out but they're organ's start to slow down and eventually give out.

i've done a science fair project before about how the snake's organs work, the main thing of the project was the stomach and how the acids break down the food and such. the acids are very strong in the snake but liner of the stomach is very vulnerable to bacteria

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Originally Posted by Waste Land

Have to agree aswell. You people jump on the feeding live kills bandwagon and go ballistic.

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I second/fourth/whatever this sentiment. I'd rather go ballistic on the "assisting natures course" bandwagon. Plus denisthemenis makes some excillent points that I've heard before. I'm a prolive feeder. however, housing two snakes in the same cage is not something I would consider. an animal needs a space that it can call its own. plus its too stressfull on both of the.

f'in awsome video....

f'in awsome.

Hm.. I myself think that feeding live is OK, if you know what you're doing; I don't understand why the videl was being criticized really; the snake was not injured at all as it constricted/ate the pig; you could plainly see the pig's jaws and they were not biting the snake. However, I think people need to learn HOW to feed live, or frozen for that matter; if they don't know how, either way could be dangerous to the snake. I have seen people posting about learning that feeding frozen/thawed was good, and also stating that they didn't know the prey needed to be heated!!
I grappled with this subject myself; thought feeding live was moronic for a time (until one of mine stopped eating, and I tried live, and well, he eats fine now.) Any method used by anyone, needs to be learned and done right!

Oh my god I hate this f/t or live debate. It's like beating yourself in the head with a hammer.

Nobody ever wins these and it always gets out of hand.

By the way, I liked the cheesy music..lol

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Originally Posted by jim020cricket

By the way, I liked the cheesy music..lol

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I grew up in the 80s. Cheesy music is my lifeblood!

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Originally Posted by jglass38

I grew up in the 80s. Cheesy music is my lifeblood!

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Me too!

Dude, what the hells up with the people who don't support live feeding. Tell me this, even though your python is a CB by natural instinct it's made to kill. You think in the wild theres somebody out there killing their prey for them? No. So if you can't take seeing the prey being eaten alive either:

A.) Put the rat in, or sheep for the bigger snakes
or
B.) Just don't keep a pet snake.

I'm not trying to be mean but it's the truth. Sorry if I offended someone.


Cool vid though :)