Genetics Confrimation

:)Hey folks. Really quick question just to confirm my suspicion. By the way I have studied the punnett square 101,102, etc.

If I breed a Super Pastel with a 100% het for albino I suspect the results are as follows: (assumtion here is 4 eggs)

2 Albino Super Pastels (looks really sweet):D
2 Pastel's (are they het for albino also?)

I'm not sure if according to the example that the Pastel's are also het for albino as well. Is this correct or am I way off here?:confused:

Tony...

I am pretty sure that you would get all pastels 50% het albino right?

Yes.. all pastels.. half of which carry ONE copy of the albino gene. Hence - they do not LOOK albino unless they have two copies since albino is a recessive trait.

EDIT - If the pastel is also het for albino, then each egg has a 25% chance of being albino.

Correct, super will produce all pastel and the 100% het albino will make them 50% poss. het albino.

short version:all pastels 50% poss. het albino

From what I understand of the genetics, amg and Shelby are correct!

I understand now... It's clear.:imslow:

Unless I have a Albino in the equation all will be Pastels with 50% het for albino because of the dominant Super Pastel gene. OK. So if want a (for example) the Albino Pastel then I would just use a (homozygous) Albino with a Super Pastel. Het alone won't do the trick because I'll be missing the other gene.

Once again, thanks for the valuable responses. This means its back to the drawing board for me. I'm planning for 2007 and 2008.

This forum rulz!! (hands down):headbang:

Tony...

A super pastel with an albino will still not produce albino, because only one parent carries the gene. BOTH parents must carry at least one copy of albino to produce albino babies.

You can either breed two het albinos (or super pastel het albino with a het albino, makes no difference) to get 25% albino.

Or you can breed a super pastel het albino with an albino to get pastel 50% albino.

an albino super pastel bred to an albino will produce 100% pastel albinos.

wow, i guess its back to the books and web sites for me. this is going to be tough to understand and remeber (as I rip up the last project draft) LOL:). Thanks to all who took the time to read and post. I appreciate it ALOT.:D

Tony...

Super Pastel to Albino = All Pastel 100% Het Albino
Super Pastel to Het Albino = All Pastel 50% Poss Het Albino
Super Pastel Het Albino to Het Albino = All Pastels with 25% Pastel Albino, 25% Pastel Het Albino, & 50% Pastels
Super Pastel Albino to Albino = All Pastel Albinos :)

Hope this is a simple explanation.... (And correct... :) ) <crossing fingers>

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Originally Posted by ddbjdealer

Super Pastel Het Albino to Het Albino = All Pastels with 25% Pastel Albino, 25% Pastel Het Albino, & 50% Pastels

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Actually results would be 25% pastel albino, 50% pastel het albino, and 25% pastel.

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Originally Posted by Shelby

Actually results would be 25% pastel albino, 50% pastel het albino, and 25% pastel.

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OK, head is spinning, early in the morning! :confused: ;)

I feel the same way too Robin. LOL:confused: I'll just take baby steps on my way back to breeding again. It's best (in my case) to just start out slow with designers. After some research, planning and obvious considerations I have tailored a (realistic) project plan that not only my family and I will enjoy but the whole herping community as well (dates subject to change ofcourse). I would like to share that with you folks considering how much I value everyone's input.

2007 - 2008 - Pastel / Super Pastel Project:cool:
(1 male, 2 females, 2 norm females - Spider for a later project)

2008 - 2009 - Bumble Bee Project:D (dependent on a Super from above or else break the piggy bank:()
(Super from 1st project, and the Spider, buy 2 norm females)

I feel this plan offers some flexability with out putting a strain on the animals. Plus you can't go wrong with a Triple Threat Breeder like a Bumble Bee and a couple of norm females to keep a steady pace. Well, there goes the plans for the game room (herp room). What do you folks think? Thanks once again for all of your help.

sounds like a good way to start. when i started i had no plan i just bought what i liked and what i had the money for. but i'm happy your thinking it though more then i did it always seems to work better that way. well good luck

2008 - 2009 - Bumble Bee Project:D (dependent on a Super from above or else break the piggy bank:()
(Super from 1st project, and the Spider, buy 2 norm females)



you don't need a super pastel to make a bumble bee all you need is a pastel and a spider and a lot of luck. a super pastel and spider will give you a 25% chance for a killer bee

You are correct. Sorry folks, looking for that killer bee here. gncz73 is correct (while I sip my first cup of joe)...LOL

Mike and I are still working on planning out our snake breeding goals as we both have distinctly different preferences. I'm big into very light colored snakes and the possibilities surrounding those, whereas Mike is very interested in the darkest morphs as well as the possibilities with double or triple recessives.

By the way Tony, I'm sorry - I think I failed to greet you when you joined the forum. Hope you are finding it a great place to hang out and we're glad you joined us!


~~Joanna~~

Thanks for the greeting. It's a great place with humble and experienced folks. I decided to hang out here.

Decisions, decisions, decisions... LOL I just figured I'll stick with co- dom and dom genetics for now until I get the hang of things. Though it would be really sweet to produce a unique morph and spend the time trying to prove it.:cool: In the meantime I'll just enjoy the ride and hope it turns out well. My only concern is when that (unexpected) little beauty pips out every season; will it be a keeper?:frustrate My wife supports the hobby and my passion for herps, so the family might grow by just a bit;) LOL...

having a wife that is supportive really helps. my wife and kids are all in support and help out. it can be a "quality time" thing. just like you're doing, research find what you like, set a goal, and just do it.

a little advice from hindsight

buy from quality breeders
don't settle for the cheapest
buy quality caging/racks/thermostats the first time
invest in what you like, makes tub cleaning enjoyable!

vaughn

Great advice Vaughn. We've lucked out with some of our snakes coming from less than ideal situations but in hindsight, it's a lot of stress and worry and a much higher possibility of vet costs and problems (not that I won't jump on the next lovely large female ball that ends up in our friendly local pet store though LOL).

It's nice to share this fascination with snakes with Mike and the kids. Our 12 year old daughter is very into the genetic aspects of breeding - her current "hero" is Ralph Davis and his Platty Daddy LOL.


~~Jo~~