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Dumerils, BRB, Columbian or other?
I have been doing some research for a while now on boas. I am wanting something that will get bigger than my BP, but not huge. I like the looks of the BRB and the Dumerils really well. I also like the BCC true redtails, but I think they get a bit big. How big do Dumerils top out at? BRB's? I want something that will stay under 7-8 feet (for the males). I know that all species have exceptions, so some general advise is all that I am looking for.
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Re: Dumerils, BRB, Columbian or other?
Wow you sound just like I did before I got my boa. I went with a male BCI. He'll only get about 6' or 7' and he is an excellent first boa. No eating or shedding problems and a great temperment with regular handling. Dumerils boas are good first boas, but I would of course recommend a BCI. :)
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does anyone know of a really good Dumerils care sheet? All of them that I have read have been contradictory.
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i would also take a look at a Hogg Island, I myself am looking for a boa come check out my thread you should get some questions answered.. Its in the BCI BCC section "boa, boa, boa !"
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Dumerils top off at about 6-7ft for females, males at 5-6ft.
Here are some pics of adults, birth, babies, etc. All are sold out, but should give you an idea. http://imageevent.com/ssscales/05dumerilsboaforsale
Let me know if you have any questions or if you need a care sheet?
Hogs are also a great boa that stays with 5-6ft.
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after talking to some 'boa experts' at our last reptile show, i think dumerils are my fave. i think their patterns and colorations are awesome and they're super easy to care for... which is probably one reason there are contradicting care sheets - there's room for error ;)
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Dumerils are great overall boas, can't go wrong with Dumerils or Hogs for that matter. I love them both!
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Don't kid yourself with dumerils. They are awesome snakes, but they are BIG!!! Especially if you are used to BPs.
Males often top 7'.. females can get up to 9'. My female is 7'4" and 21 lbs.
Here is a pic of my dum with a 1' ruler.
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil.../8/belasml.JPG
BRB stay much smaller than BCI or dumerils. They require very precise husbandry however.. too high temps or low humidity will kill them.
This is my hogg island boa. She will most likely grow more.
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...8/divahold.jpg
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I also have heard that Dumerils like it cooler than the Columbian boa. Also would a dum ever take a rabbit or can they stay on rats and what size as adults? Im considering on buying a Dum instead of a BCI what do you suggest i get one from? Thanks Aaron P.S. and any good care sheets also would be nice for me lol
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Originally Posted by ssscales
Dumerils top off at about 6-7ft for females, males at 5-6ft.
Here are some pics of adults, birth, babies, etc. All are sold out, but should give you an idea. http://imageevent.com/ssscales/05dumerilsboaforsale
Let me know if you have any questions or if you need a care sheet?
Hogs are also a great boa that stays with 5-6ft.
If U dont mind my asking, how much were U pricing the baby Dums for???? I'm looking at getting one. The local breeder here had ONE left, but it was really small and not doing as well as he had hoped, so he didn't want to sell it.
TIA for the info.
R.
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Originally Posted by Shelby
Don't kid yourself with dumerils. They are awesome snakes, but they are BIG!!! Especially if you are used to BPs.
Males often top 7'.. females can get up to 9'. My female is 7'4" and 21 lbs.
Here is a pic of my dum with a 1' ruler.
BRB stay much smaller than BCI or dumerils. They require very precise husbandry however.. too high temps or low humidity will kill them.
This is my hogg island boa. She will most likely grow more.
Dums can get up to 9ft, but on average stay under 7ft. They are still large heavy snakes compared to Ball Pythons without a doubt. This female is as thick as a 2ltr coke bottle and weighs a good 20-25lbs.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/ssscales/POP.jpg
Again, it all depends on individual snake, feeding, etc.. They can absolutely take a rabbit, but again if you want to keep them under 7ft a Jumbo rat every 2 weeks is plenty. Most owners tend to overfeed their snakes.
BRB's and Hogs also stay around the 6ft range, but are not near as thick as Dumerils. I’ve got Hog females 5.5-6ft and they’ll top at that.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...lg20hog20f.jpg
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Originally Posted by sweety314
If U don’t mind my asking, how much were U pricing the baby Dums for???? I'm looking at getting one. The local breeder here had ONE left, but it was really small and not doing as well as he had hoped, so he didn't want to sell it.
TIA for the info.
R.
I sold all my Dums last year for $125.00, prices range between $100-$150 on average. Don’t ever buy a baby Dumeril that hasn’t had at least 10 consecutive meals.
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That's a beefy dumerils there, ssscales! They are just such gorgeous snakes.. I can't wait to breed my female next season.
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Thanks Shelby, that girl dropped 12 live for me last year and 13 the year before that. Dumerl's are great and puppy dog tame, not an evil bone in them!
The only negative with breeding Dumeril's, is that long gestation period! My other boas drop in 105-120 days after POS. JCP's 50 days after eggs were laid I had babies pipping. Dumeril's...about 220 days of waiting and waiting, but worth the wait to see those big plump babies squirming around!
Good luck with yours and let me know if you need any help at all?
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Is 12 a normal litter size for dumerils? I was under the impression they had more. Less is easier though!
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Dumerils don't have large litters. Average size litter is usually 10-12, but they have been known to drop as many as 18-21.
If you look at the link on top you'll see some pics of adults courting, copulation and mothers with babies.
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I've had my dum female since april 05 , she's about 3ft in length I feed her a small rat every seven day's.This is fine right. sscales how old is that dum in the pic.
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An appropriate rat every 7 days is perfectly fine for a young Dumeril.
When she gets to Jumbo rats you should extend feeding to 10-14 days.
That female is 8 years old.
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Sound's good , thank's that's a very nice snake.
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ssscales.. do you feed every two weeks for your breeder females too?
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Originally Posted by Shelby
ssscales.. do you feed every two weeks for your breeder females too?
After they gain their weight back, I do in fact go back to feeding every two weeks. Soon after giving birth I offer the female a large rat every 7 days for about 2-3 meals. Once she sheds, I feed her jumbo rats every 7 days for 6-8 weeks. After that I will place her back to a Jumbo every 14 days.
I feed, or at least offer my females small meals (medium rats) every 2 weeks during the gestation period up until the last 30-45 days. This helps considerably during and afterwards!
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Im just not looking forward to paying 300-400.000 on a hognose. I have a problem with buying things over the internet and specially reptiles. So i guess im looking more into the size of the hognose so i don't have a real heavy snake to lug in and out of the cage. I would like a snake with the temper of a BCI and that wouldn't need a 8' cage when adult. And i also heard that IJC are great pythons but tend to need to be handled often is this true and if no would you recommend one for me since i am looking for a med. thickness snake. Thanks sorry but would you take a pic of your hognose and your JCP and the enclosures thanks
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You mean hogg island, not hognose. ;)
Even a big colombian won't need an 8' cage.. 6' is plenty.
Hogg islands can be had for less than $300-400.. I think babies go for $150-200.
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Ok where could i find a good breeder of a Hogg Island Boa, it's just i hate seeing a snake with nose rub when they are in a small enclosure, and if i do get a boa it's going to be in a *Christmas* tub. I would love to find a nice Hogg
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Uhm.. search kingsnake and fauna for ads. There's usually a number of them. Or wait a year and get one from me. :P
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I think your best bet is to go with the brazillian rainbow boa, they only get between4-7 feet and they are slender but you should do lots of reaserch on them first.
dummerils get really big.they are also the strongest boa. you will find that out the hard way if you get a wild or agrassive one!
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$nake$ - just because I said I think dums are very strong, doesn't mean they are the 'strongest boa'. :) If you start with a baby, or even a well tamed adult, dums are awesome snakes. Most tame very easily and their husbandry requirements are not difficult.
The problem with the BRB is their strict temperature and humidity requirements.
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Most JCP's, Dumerils, BRB's and Hogs can live their adult lives in a 4X2 enclosure. Larger specimens of Dumerils and Hogs may need a 6X2, but again these snakes are exceptions and not the rule. Also keep in mind they only get as large as you feed them.
Feed them weekly and keep increasing size of prey from small/med/large/Jumbo rats/small rabbits/larger rabbits and sure you could end up with a 8-9ft Dumeril and as fat as a pig. Feed an adult a large rat every 2-3 weeks and you'll have a healthy 5-6ft Dumeril or Hog for many many years.
If you are looking for a smaller Dumeril, Hog or JCP, go with a male and keep their meals at medium rats every two weeks. You'll have a slender (compared to the females) 5ft-6ft snake that will have almost too much space in a 4X2 cage.
IJC are smaller than JCP's, since I've never owned one I won't give you much advise on them. Accept they are similar to JCP's in care from what I understand.
Here were some of our adult JCP's before selling them last year.
This was one of our adult girls, 6-7ft is about as large as they get on average:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...s/IMG_1106.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...s/DSC00140.jpg
Here is an adult male JCP, this is your average sized male, may get a little thicker. They can get a tad larger, but not much more 5-6ft and they stay slim compared to the girls.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...s/DSC00513.jpg
Here is a threesome during breeding season:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...s/DSC00530.jpg
Most Dumerils, I won't say ALL, but most Dumerils are the most docile/calmest/tamest boas you'll ever own. From birth these snakes rarely bite or strike unless provoked or mishandled. Hogs, BRB's, and JCP's are nippy at first, but quickly calm down with regular handling.
You can find Hogs, BRB's, JCP's and Dumerils on classifieds anywhere from $100-$300 and up to $400-$500 for some specimens of JCP's and Hogs. Which ever you decide on, do your homework on the snake as well as the breeder/seller.
Good luck!
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*edit* Oh shoot, I just could read the links April has in this thread. Ah well, good exercise for me. Some of this is hard to wrap my head around. =P
Okay, I wanna sum up what I've read here and other places to make sure I've got most of the information correct. Please correct my mistakes!
Boa constrictor imperator (BCI), aka Red tail. Mostly originated from Columbia, but can also be from various other South American countries (read some debate over at www.boa-constrictors.com). Normals are generally the most common and therefore the least expensive babies. Males grow to 6-7ft ish, females to 7-9ft ish, depending on husbandry and amount/regularity of feeding. Can be great snakes if properly husbanded (is that a word?) and pretty good for a "beginner larger snake" (assuming owner is not a complete snake noob).
Babies are generally gray with dark reddish/brown saddles and deep red, white and black tails. Changes color with age (right?) to a sandy taupe, brown saddles and reddish brown coloration on the tail...?
Guyana, Surinam red tails. Same as BCI, but known for different colors?
(NOTE: This is the part I'm really confused on and I haven't seen anything particular definitive and lots of conflicting information between either slightly different species or or that they are just slightly different colors).
Boa constrictor constrictor (BCC), aka "true red tails". Orginates from Columbia, generally bigger dudes than BCI's, may not generally have the same great attitude as BCI. Not as common as BCI, so a bit more expensive. Not necessarily a good larger snake for beginners.
Brazillian rainbow boa (BRB). Orginates from Brazil! Known as rainbow because of their iridescent skin. Size is approximately the same as the BCI to a bit smaller. Great disposition, but very strict on temps and husbandry, so also perhaps not a good larger beginner snake. Not as common as BCI, so usually a bit more expensive.
Hogg or Hog Island boa. Um, colors range in the yellows to light browns. Great disposition and size comparable to the BRB? Not as common as BCI, so usually a bit more expensive. From Cayo de los Cochinos, an Island off the north coast of Honduras. Pretty good for a "beginner larger snake".
Dumeril's. Incredible symmetrical pattern, size comparable to the BCI, although usually a heavier/stockier snake. Great disposition, pretty good for a "beginner larger snake".
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You're getting there, Cassandra. A few mistakes that I will point out.
BCI - it's not that most are from colombia, it's just that the most common in the pet trade are colombian BCI. hog island boas are also BCI, as are nicaraguan boas and central american boas. A few others are also BCI. Guyanan and Surinam are NOT bci, they are BCC.
BCC - colombian BCC are not common at all in the pet trade. Much more comon are Surinam, Guyana, and Peruvian.
BRB - they are quite a bit smaller than BCI. 6' is the normal limit, and they are much more slender than a mature BCI. I wouldn't classify them as a 'large' snake, but I would not reccomend them to a beginner because of their strict husbandry requirements. BRB are quite common and inexpensive. There are other localities of rainbow boa other than brazilian such as Argentine and Colombian rainbow boas.
Hog island - as mentioned before, are BCI. These are thought to be extinct in the wild. Colors are muted some are high orange. Often they exhibit reduced pattern. I don't know about the 'average' hog island, but mine is a bit bratty. She doesn't bite, but she is a talker!
Dumerils - you're about right there. Dums rock!!!
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Re: Dumerils, BRB, Columbian or other?
Ditto on what Shelby commented above.
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