the ratio of people viewing to people responding is amazing !!

This forum is prob. thee most active forum ive even been on ..

out of 100 views its increadably easy to get like .....









5 replys.. CRAZY odds if i could gamble my life with those kind of odds, COUNT ME IN !!

:p Ever been to ********.com?

nope never .. what is that exactly?

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Originally Posted by denisthemenace

what you will learn in time that members on this forum take ages to repond im just going to blame it on their "56k connection"

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Funny, you said this on another thread not 6 minutes after starting this one.


You need to learn some patience, it is that kind of behavior thats gets you negetive points should you irritate ppl because you get upset that ppl are not answering your posts/threads right away or not enough as far as your concerned. There are times "real life" must be observed and internet life gets put to the side, maybe ppl who are viewing have no comment, but complaining about not getting their comments is only going to serve to get you bad comments. Please be thoughful of others time as thoughfulness often times recieves some in return. Not everyone "lives" at thier computer desk just clammoring to answer every post that pops up. I am not trying to be mean, but I am being blunt....

honestly u guys are way too uptight

Sorry you feel that way, but you always have the option of making an exit. How do you expect ppl to react to your post, huh? Exactly as I have..... or it could be worse you know. You were the one complaining, not anyone else. Sure seems as if you are the one up tight cause no one answers your post quick enough or you feel you dont get enough answers.

i think that most new member feel the same way .. considering dedicate a lot of hours to this forum. I have nothing bad to say i enjoy being on this forum and i find all the information posted to be ever informative and helpfull. Im sorry if i upset you in anyway it just, im use to very active forums.

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honestly u guys are way too uptight

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I'm offended. :( This site provides a great source of information, and a safe environment for all to learn. There are rules you have to abide by, just like everywhere else. It's not meant to be mean, but to keep a lot of the edrama outta here.

well i feel that we cleared everything up .. no offence given so i expect no offence to be taken

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It's not meant to be mean, but to keep a lot of the edrama outta here.

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I like that line very much :D

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Originally Posted by iceman25

I like that line very much :D

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Thanks. ;) :D Maybe I need to put that in my sig. LOL! :giggle:

There is little doubt that this forum does indeed have it's little cliques. It's not unlike high school in that manner and it is easy to see why some people feel like they're outsiders.


Having said that, this website is a valuable, valuable source of information and should be utilized if you want to provide the absolute best care possible for your snake. I think that one cannot allow themselves to be oversensitive to the fact that their post may not be getting quite as many comments as one of the 'insiders' posts. Doing so, frankly, jeopardizes the health of the snake. I say this because I frequent many, many reptile/boid related sites and this one, by far, focuses more on specific husbandry needs of the snake than most of the others. If nothing else, one can be a lurker and by using the search feature of this site, figure EVERYTHING out about raising a happy and healthy ball python. What a great sense of security it is to me to have this site bookmarked.

I sincerely hope that this post doesn't come across as bitter because I absolutely am not. I wanted to empathize with dennisthemenace while also pointing out the many virtues this community has to offer.

im use to more busy forums, but i still love it here... during the day you usually get a reply from someone who can help pretty quickly.. its the not amount of responses, its the quality of the information in them.

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its the not amount of responses, its the quality of the information in them.

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Well said!

Hello all,

As my first post here I would like to add what may be a hasty generalization. Many new to the forum or the snake world quite often have the same questions and concerns about snake info and many of these have already been addressed in older threads, so I don't blame the advice givers for not wanting to spew out the same info over and over, that's what stickies are for, as well as our search feature.

I've found that this site is by far my favorite source for not only quality information, but lack of drama playing out, and a large number of friendly and knowledgeable staff and members who do not display much of the arrogance I've seen on some other forums.

Just my two cents, now I'll step off my soapbox

Jason

no one made any remarks about the quality of service. Without a doubt this is of the best Herp forum out there if not the best. Im basing this statement on my personal experience with Kingsnake.com and reptileforums.com. There are a lot of experienced members who are willing to help out, but sometimes the help doesnt come soon enough. In my case ive never posted anything that was in dire need of feedback but you never know when that day will come. The original issue was the ratio of active/dedicated members vs. the non-active on lookers. Thats how we witness odds such as 5 to 100 or 22 to 350. I think everyone is perfectly capable of putting in their 2 cents as a result making this forum a slightly more welcoming place for the new comers and making this a closer knitcommunity.

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well i feel that we cleared everything up .. no offence given so i expect no offence to be taken

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I'm an innocent bystander here at this time, but something worth noting.....

Just because you didn't mean to give any offense, doesn't necessarily mean that NONE was taken by someone.

Everyone has their threshholds and buttons that get pushed. PPl should be mature enough and act accordingly.

I've enjoyed the comraderie here and the assistance given to my questions and comments, from newbies and old-timers alike. I spend MUCH more time here than I should considering my life right now, but I always find it enjoyable and worthwhile for learning.

*ding* All done now.

RuLyn

as far as the view/post ratio, you have to understand that not everyone has an answer or input to give for every question. people that don't have input aren't going to reply, thus making the view count higher. also, you have to consider that if you get one answer, that is a complete and correct answer, there is no need for others to reply with the same information. we try to strive for quality, not quantity, and honestly i think that our members get replies (and good ones at that) to their threads super fast, sometimes within minutes. what more can you really ask for?

this thread should get closed because its not going no where .. and we are just constantly going back and forth. I think everything has been clarified and we are good to go.

If I can just add....

It's a huge pet peeve of mine when:
A.) Someone doesn't KNOW the answer... they just HEARD the answer from someone else, and are just "regurging" it.
B.) There's already three replies (all fairly similar in advice) and the fourth person responds with the same exact advice... (many hours later of course)

This could be another reason why the views to posts ratio is not what you'd "like" it to be.

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There are a lot of experienced members who are willing to help out, but sometimes the help doesnt come soon enough.

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I would seriously hope that no one is using a message board to get an answer to a question that needs to be answered immediately. Message boards are great for research, getting new ideas, understanding differences in opinions, and help making decisions, but they should NEVER be used in emergency situations.

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I think everyone is perfectly capable of putting in their 2 cents as a result making this forum a slightly more welcoming place for the new comers and making this a closer knitcommunity.

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So if someone posts a question and another person answers it, the 300 people that would have answered that question the same way should post "ditto" over and over again?

I don't think that would be more welcoming, I think that would make us look like a bunch of psychos.

Most questions can be answered in only a handful of different ways and on this site, you will usually get that entire handful or at least close to it ... I don't know what more you can ask for ... I think it's great! ;)

-adam

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There is little doubt that this forum does indeed have it's little cliques. It's not unlike high school in that manner and it is easy to see why some people feel like they're outsiders.

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I guess I don't see the cliques (unless I'm part of it? LOL). I am relatively new here too. I don't post a lot, but I'd call myself an average poster. I don't have the years of experience that others do here, and while I have some experiences with Kashmire and what I may feel from my limited experience is good advice, I sometimes will wait to see what someone with more eperience will say. That way I learn more myself and I'm not regurgitating information.

When I joined in July, people here were very patient with me and my OCD'ness over Kashmire. I certainly was no part of any clique as a newbie, but I asked a lot of questions. And I never felt like an outsider, in fact, I felt like I had found a home on the net for my ball python husbandry questions.

I also picked up the phone and called Adam, or any of the dozens of other well established breeders that you can find on the internet if I had a concern that I desired a more immediate response on.

And there's nothing that compares to advice on a forum and advice in "real time" over the phone.

Of all the forums that I visit regarding ball pythons, this is the one that I gravitate to first each day. After that, I end up going and looking at the classifieds on KS and admiring all the beautiful animals and wishing I had deeper pockets! LOL

Thanks for your post there Adam, it's a bit of a sore point with me that anyone would rely on a forum in an emergency or at the very least a medically serious situation that requires immediate addressing. That's what your friendly herp vet is for or an understanding breeder who doesn't mind taking your panicked call about a stuck eye cap (thanks again for that one Adam!).

The way I figure it my herp vet charges only $20.00 for an office visit and if Mike or I are concerned enough about anything we think are serious, immediate issues with the snakes it well worth that amount for some peace of mind. As well our vet is but a phone call away and believe me she's on my speed dial.

So far Adam hasn't mentioned his billable hours rate to me LOL!


~~Jo~~

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this thread should get closed because its not going no where .. and we are just constantly going back and forth. I think everything has been clarified and we are good to go.

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The only time threads get locked down is when people start getting a little hot under the collar. (and when it does go in that direction people are usually getting in big trouble!) This is an open forum, and if you feel you've said you peace then don't post to that thread again. It's simple. This thread not gone in that direction, so I see no need to lock it down. :)

ya, i haven't noticed a clique either. :confused: i do see people who are familiar with each other, friendly, caring and have a good time laughing and joking around... which is why i come here. :clap: i think that to someone who is just lurking though, it may seem like a clique, as they are choosing not to participate in the conversation. kinda like the guy at the party who sits in the corner and just listens... :worry:

personally i like it when i see my post has been viewed a bunch of times... it means people are interested in what :hug: i have to say or ask... but i don't expect :community everyone to respond... just the ones who have something to say! often i read a post and know it's been said, so i move onto the next one.

and yes, definitely slow internet connections :frustrate make you not want to respond unless you absolutely have something of value to add. not that i have that problem anymore... but back when dinosaurs roamed the earth i sure did *giggling* - i've kicked it up to high speed *wind blowing thru my hair* all the way!!!!!!!!! :neener:

so, d-the-menace... perhaps if you subscribe to your threads and then :teevee: go do :gallery: something else... you'll see your email box filled with responses and then you won't be 'watching a pot that never seems to boil' :phonecall

welcome to the forum... i hope, in the future, you find :thumbsup: this place to be very friendly and extremely helpful!!!

(oh and in emergencies, i call my vet) :graduate:

in light,
Aleesha

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The original issue was the ratio of active/dedicated members vs. the non-active on lookers. Thats how we witness odds such as 5 to 100 or 22 to 350. I think everyone is perfectly capable of putting in their 2 cents as a result making this forum a slightly more welcoming place for the new comers and making this a closer knitcommunity.

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.....thats what I get for viewing a post 150 times before I decide to post...guess I need to stop hitting the refresh button so freakin often ;)

This thread is funny :D

Just thought I would include my 0.02 so everyone is happy.

THIS SITE ROCKS!!!!

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.....thats what I get for viewing a post 150 times before I decide to post...guess I need to stop hitting the refresh button so freakin often ;)

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see, see i knew we'd find the culprit!!! :bounce:

hahahaha

Wow! I love all the positive responses in this thread. It's obvious that the members and mods make this site the great place it is.

Personally, if someone asks a question about husbandry, and someone else has already answered the same way I would have, and I don't have anything else to add, I don't reply. I just don't see the sense in clogging up a thread with redundant information.

If someone asks a question about breeding or about a herp that I don't personally keep, I usually won't respond because I'm not the best person to answer the question. If I see no one is responding, I might direct the person who asked the question to PM or email a member who I know has personal experience with the subject in question.

Most basic (noob) questions can be answered in our caresheets. (That's right, folks, we have caresheets!) "Emergency" questions should warrant a phone call to a vet or an experienced breeder/keeper. Everything else in between can, and most likely will, be answered in these forums. You might not get an answer within 10 seconds, but you will get an answer, and most of the time it will be very good information.

Riiiiight Onnnn!:clap: :thumbsup:


I am sooooooooo glad I found this site! I knew and had had experience, but with this site & the WONNERFUL PPLs :community here, I've learned sooooooooo much more!




KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK!! :worship:

I'm very new to this site, but it's already bookmarked. I'm sure I added tons to the viewed count since I found the answers to most of my questions on here before I even registered. I thought the information was great and the people very friendly, so I decided to register incase I had any other questions/comments.

Personally, I'm very pleased with the response rate on these forums. I think all of my questions have been replied to in under 10 minutes.

PS
Aleesha, I like your vibrant post. Sooo many little smilies doing crazy things (I didnt even know they had tv's too).

giggling... thanks! It took me forever to post that response. LOL

:)
Aleesha

We do have a good site here.
And to think I remember when a young gentleman invited me over in the beginning.
We have great members from all walks of life and all the different opinions and input and great.
Plus I can swing through when ever I happen to have time (which lately hasn't been to often) and still always feel welcome.
I don't know about the cliques, but when it comes to that type of thing I've never paid that much attention anyhow...
Well there's my sharing the love bit.
Rusty

i agree totally! yeah it can be frustrating when u make a post

for example: i have a thing about yearbook ads and 134 people have viewed and only 9 replied. those being-me and jeane (and unimom posted once!)
frustrated? yes.
ticked off about it? NO!
it just means that no ones interested. they gave me thier answers by not replying.

and on forums that arent yes or no answers...what do u want 200 replies of people saying "i dunno" or "no clue" and 10 giving advice?

-godzillas rampage is all finished...everyone can return to your daily lives...