Reputation Question...

I noticed that when I put my cursor over a little green box under my name is says "Jonny2184 might want to think before posting"?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

I find that little embarassing!
For most other people it says "_______ is welcome around here"!!!

I'm wondering if I said something wrong! or something that might have offended someone!
I sure hope not, but I feel that it is slightly unprofessional to say that I should watch what I post! Unless I did something wrong!
Maybe if you sent me an email stating what I had said wrong (so I could correct myself so it will not happen again)

I dont know what I've done to get that kind of feedback!
Could maybe someone from the Admin help me with this???
Tell me how I can make it all better! Whatever it is!

Thanks

Reputation can be taken from or given by all users. It is not placed on staff only to decide a users reputation. You can go to your user control panel and view your comments/points from there, I am sure you will find that enlightening as to why your reputation stands as it is right now. You can however change that with time by acquiring good points from staff or other members.

Yeah I was wondering the same thing..I was thinkin "Im not welcome around here huh? Im welcome on all the other forums"

KEWL!
I checked it out and now I know where it comes from... that is great!
Thanks for the info!

But what i dont really understand is that they gave me bad feedback because there opinion was different then my opinion on a certain subject, so since they feel that I'm wrong they can give me bad feedback!?!?!?!?!
I dont like the way that works!

Example:
So if I say the sky is green and someone else says it's blue and they dont like the fact that I was wrong the they can give me bad feedback!

Thats exacly what happened! Two different points of view!
But in there point of view I was wrong so I get the badfeed back!

Not very fair! :tears:

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Originally Posted by Jonny2184

KEWL!
I checked it out and now I know where it comes from... that is great!
Thanks for the info!

But what i dont really understand is that they gave me bad feedback because there opinion was different then my opinion on a certain subject, so since they feel that I'm wrong they can give me bad feedback!?!?!?!?!
I dont like the way that works!

Example:
So if I say the sky is green and someone else says it's blue and they dont like the fact that I was wrong the they can give me bad feedback!

Thats exacly what happened! Two different points of view!
But in there point of view I was wrong so I get the badfeed back!

Not very fair! :tears:

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Well, not sure what to tell you, but thats how that system works. You, like others have to realise that lots of opinions differ, reputation is based off of others perception of your post content and/or its helpfulness or accuracy.

Fair warning, retaliatory points get you into trouble around here.

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Originally Posted by Jeanne

Fair warning, retaliatory points get you into trouble around here.

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I didn't know that? :O ... very interesting ... but you can't really know for sure who gave you negative rep points can you? Or am I missing something?

-adam

Yeah, it shows it in the menu for your points. At least it does mine.

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Originally Posted by Jeanne

Yeah, it shows it in the menu for your points. At least it does mine.

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Ahh ... must be super secret admin powers! ... LOL ... As my buddy Napolean D would say ... "Lucky!" :P

-adam

I just found out that regular users should not see the who of it. To avoid retaliatory stuff.

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Originally Posted by Jeanne

To avoid retaliatory stuff.

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Well sadly, it happens anyway. :(

-adam

Alrighty!
I guess we've all learned sometime new today!

I'll have to keep a few more things in mind before I submit a post and feedback eh!

Thanks again for all your help Jeanne!! :D

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

Ahh ... must be super secret admin powers! ... LOL ... As my buddy Napolean D would say ... "Lucky!" :P

-adam

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Yeah seems as if thats the way it is... I am still learning how this software works so I dont know all the little things.

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Originally Posted by Jonny2184

I'll have to keep a few more things in mind before I submit a post and feedback eh!

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Now where's the fun in that? :P

Share your opinions, help when you can, disagree when you need to, agree when you feel like it, and in the end it will all even out! ;)

-adam

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

Now where's the fun in that? :P

Share your opinions, help when you can, disagree when you need to, agree when you feel like it, and in the end it will all even out! ;)

-adam

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EXACTLY!

Should note briefly here that folks can't spamslap bad rep points wantonly or anything. There are limits to how many (either + or -) can be given based on a period of time, relative points etc etc etc. It's far from a perfect system and certainly not carved in stone but it is a drastic improvement over basing things on postcounts and the kind of posting behavior that can encourage.

I've really got to get some better bells'n'whistles :P

:) I like the way you put that! That is a good point Adam!

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I've also noticed that I only have 9 points???
Do I loose a point everytime I get bad feedback???
and If I do...What happens when I run out of points... ??????


But I dont think I'll loose 9 points anytime soon! :)

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Originally Posted by Jonny2184

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I've also noticed that I only have 9 points???
Do I loose a point everytime I get bad feedback???
and If I do...What happens when I run out of points... ??????


But I dont think I'll loose 9 points anytime soon! :)

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It depends on what someone gives you, you can be given good point/feedback or bad. When you run out of points I think you are under moderation or something like that..... we have yet to have it happen, and seeing as though I am still learning this software, I cant tell you for sure.

Oh I like that rule!

Thanks for clearing that up for me!

I believe everyone starts off with 10 points. When you see something you believe to be helpful and insightful, feel free to give reputation. It will ask you for your comments, but if you have already given to that person too recently - you'll get the message 'You need to spread reputation around before giving to them again'. Same for negative rep point.

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Originally Posted by Jonny2184

Oh I like that rule!

Thanks for clearing that up for me!

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I do believe you have ten again ;)

LOL OH MY!

:eek: Not only do I have 10 again I have 12! hehehehehe

Thanks Iceman! I will remember you for that! :winner:

U'r da best in da west!

OK, up until i read this thread i had no idea about this stuff.Well i placed my curser on my box and it stated i should think before i post:O .So i looked in my userspanel . Someone gave me a negative point for my comments on 1-7-2006 at 11:22 on the thread in general.The subject was "quick question".I wrote telling the person that thier heat might be to high.Could someone please point out what i said to offend someone?? PM me or something thanks

Yeah I love how I got negative rep for the "Get it all off your chest here!" thread..someone dident agree with my beliefs so gives me bad rep..yeah sounds fair

I believe there are several sites that have been listed that are a great source of information. If you have a question about a particular site feel free to pm an admin/mod.

In regards to the reputation points. Guys, this world is far from being fair but the system that is in place is as fair as we can make it. Trying to allow post count to influence the reputaion just makes for people who post about a million times to say nothing. Plus, it's impossible for the admins/mods to personally give out reputation to every individual. This really is a good compromise, and will eventually even it's way out. Not everyone is going to like everything you have to say, that's just the way the world works. There is no reason to be posting about every loss of point. If you have a concern please ask one of the staff. :D

I asked SHELBY last night and between the two of us we came to a conclusion.I guess since my recomendation that 95 was to high it offended someone:confused: .Its a shame since i was told to keep the temps at 90 not 92 to 95 like others were told.Thanks again Shelby:)

Well just my take on it but I think we all need to be responsible about this neg and postive feedback thing. To give either just because you don't agree or do agree with a viewpoint someone just isn't for me personally.

I think it's more about a negative feedback if you believe what the person said is obviously mis-information or potentially harmful for a newcomer to follow. Same with positive, if it's something outstanding or special the person has done to further the aim of this forum or this hobby in general. Not just...oh I agree...here's a point thingy.

Just my own view of this points system concept.


~~Jo~~

I think tigerlily has explained the situation about as well as it can be explained. The Admin Council felt that the reputation system was a better alternative to post count because it should, in theory, improve the quality of information we have in our forums. When post counts are used, it may increase the quantity of information, but it's not always good information.

If someone gives you negative points because you've said something he or she disagrees with, you may not like it, but it's not really abuse of the system. Someone else may agree with the same statement and give you positive points for it. Some members may receive negative points for being argumentative or insensitive, and that's not abuse of the system either. Abuse of the system is giving someone negative or positive points because you don't like them or want to "help [them] out." That type of abuse of the system may result in a drop in your reputation or revokation of your ability to affect the reputation of others.

Our goal here is to create and maintain a civil environment in which people can exchange information and ideas. A reputation system lets new users know whose opinions are more reliable and trusted. If you are a new user, stick around, be nice, learn from those who have been at this a bit longer than you have, and your reputation will improve.

We don't want to do away with any and all types of ranking systems. We feel we need some way to let new users know what information is reliable and trustworthy because in the end, it's not about you - it's about the herps.

By the way tigerlily, I just realized your one year anniversary with us is tomorrow. Congratulations!

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By the way tigerlily, I just realized your one year anniversary with us is tomorrow. Congratulations!

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Yes it is! :nerd: Thanks for noticing. :hug: I can't believe it's been a year! One year and 4 more snakes. Oh how time flies. :D

(btw - it's great to see ya!!)

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A reputation system lets new users know whose opinions are more reliable and trusted.

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I really enjoy using and being subject to the new reputation system over the old "post count" ranking ... I've taken some lumps because of my big mouth and have gotten good feedback when I actually think before I speak. :P

My only problem with the system is that for new users, it's very hard to see what the individuals rankings are if you aren't already familiar with the software’s structure.

Unless you are a particularly heinous poster and get the ugly red cube, everyone at first glance looks the same and there's no way to differentiate someone that just joined and has the default reputation level between someone like Jo or Daniel that has a great ranking for consistently giving out good advice and being helpful.

Of course new users can always find a little more information by moving their mouse over the "green cube", but even then, the ranking system isn't defined and without context seems to all blur together.

I've noticed that other boards that use the same or similar software have users with higher reputation points represented by multiple "green cubes" and have always wondered if the "scale" on this site for reputation points was too broad or if it was different software all together or something else because visually I think it's a lot easier to grasp that someone with 4 green cubes has a better rep than someone with 1 green cube ... or at least easier to differentiate who the community holds in higher regard than "is welcome around here" vs. "has a face we're always glad to see" both of which seem to be pretty much the same.

I hope that ramble makes sense?

Again, I'm certainly not criticizing ... I LOVE the new system and the longer you guys let me hang around the better this site seems to get. I also very much appreciate the fact that every day the admin council and moderators work in their "spare time" to make this site the best site on the internet for herp related information. I just thought I'd throw this out there basically because I'm a "if I think it I say it" kind of guy. ;)

-adam

Maybe we need to do a "sticky" explaining the reputation system. I also like the idea of multiple cubes for those with higher reputations. We should look into that.

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Originally Posted by Smynx

Maybe we need to do a "sticky" explaining the reputation system. I also like the idea of multiple cubes for those with higher reputations. We should look into that.

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I like that .... Unfortunately, my big mouth doesn't always come with answers ... nothing like stirring the pot and then having a blank look on my face afterwards ... LOL

-adam

Really good point there Adam! I hate to admit my own eternal computer related doofusness (isn't that a cool word LOL) but I was here months and months before I even clued in to the significance of the little green cube since everyone had one I basically just ignored it. Also I didn't know quite how to give rep points but then I may have missed that in Introduction to Forums 101 (probably slept through the class yet again LOL).

I agree that multiple cubes might be a great idea if that's possible with this forum software (please don't explain software limitations to me though....I can't take the massive migraine I instantly get when anyone tries to explain the mysterious workings of anything computer related).

:crash:


~~Jo~~

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Originally Posted by Jeanne

You can go to your user control panel and view your comments/points from there,

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I went to my usercp and cannot find that anywhere?

Under the subscribed threads you should see Lastest Reputation Recieved. Is that there?

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OK, up until i read this thread i had no idea about this stuff.Well i placed my curser on my box and it stated i should think before i post:O .So i looked in my userspanel . Someone gave me a negative point for my comments on 1-7-2006 at 11:22 on the thread in general.The subject was "quick question".I wrote telling the person that thier heat might be to high.Could someone please point out what i said to offend someone?? PM me or something thanks

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OK someone attempted to give me a negative point on this post.Could someone point out what is offensive or rude? I feel someone is playing games here and its not funny.I have contacted a moderator by pm and have asked that this be checked into.I understand the reasons for having the reputation points but giving them out for silly reasons either positive or negative is pointless.

I wasn't going to but I feel the need to chime in here.

1. This forum is about BPs and herps in general.
2. It's free, like the best things in life.
3. It is hands down the most valuable BP information source I have found on the net. Trust me I look a lot.


What is the big deal about reputations. Let me tell you Adam, Smulkin, Sassy, April, and Matt all have awesome reputations in my book and there are several I didn't mention. I have never looked at their "Reputation". I have looked at their advice and wealth of information. That makes them "Grade A" in my book. I have had several people point out my mistakes and lack of knowledge in this forum. It has even made me angry a few times. I also recieved a negative "Reputation" point or what ever you want to call it. That really made me mad. I took a step back every single time and realized they were concerned that I learned. I then realized it was stupid to get mad over such a little thing when I had big lessons to learn. Big lessons that would help my animals live longer, stronger and healthier. You know what I did, I got over my little EGO and looked to the heart of the situation. I could have got mad and posted a stupid reply and left the forums. I didn't. I took thier advice to heart and learned from them. They know more than I do. You know what that has got me? Perfect sheds, regular feeding, animals with a good dispositon, and a wealth of knowledge. It would take me years to learn what they have taught me in a few short months.

In closing here are two things to consider.
1. My negative rep comment.
"Any animal you buy deserves proper equipment."
2. Lesson learned.
If you are going to buy animal, also take the time and money to make sure you care for that animal in the best way possible.

They didn't mean it as an attack on me, but to prioritize my way of thinking.

Not trying to be rude but in this world your reputation means everything.If someone gives you a bad feed back then it stays with you forever.Now if someone gives you bad feedback for no true reason then this is not right.When i look to buy any reptile i research the person to the extreme.If thier is any negative feedback anywhere i read every word.I have found a few that recieved bad feedback for goofy reasons.Perfect example someone left this one person bad feedback because they would not hold the reptile until they got paid a month away:O .Or another one was the person wanted to pay with a personal check even when the sellar stated PAYPAL ONLY.Now these both are way out of line but it remains on thier feedback info.So your reputation is very important to some.

all i can do now after reading this is check everyone's green boxes,,
It's kind of silly, but I never knew what they were there for before.
Now I know
Rusty

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Originally Posted by joepythons

If someone gives you a bad feed back then it stays with you forever.

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That's actually not quite how it works here Joe ... you can get a bad point from someone and the next day get a good point and it will wipe the bad one out ... If you build up more good points than bad, then know one will even know that someone hit you with a negative point. It's a pretty well balanced system.

Trust me on this one ... my posting "style" so to speak gets me hammered with negative reputation points all the time because I call things like I see them and don't "sugar coat" anything ... for some reason it seems to offend people every now and then ... :twisted: ... yet I still manage to do ok with my rep around here. ;)

Like I said earlier in this post ... don't sweat the negative rep points (at least on this site) ... say what's on your brain, help when you can, call someone out when you feel like you need to, and it will all work out. ;)

-adam

i give rep points to posts i think are worthy, which is based upon their kindness and willingness to assist others in a respectful way - advice given - and negative posts when someone is unkind or just downright rude to others.

that said, i don't even care about the points for myself and seldom even click on someone elses... it's what's IN the post that makes me know whether or not people should be listened to... i also look at the date they joined the site... and tend to trust people who have been here longer.

honestly though, i got a negative point when i first joined... my very first rep point. they said i was rude. what it did to me (after my ego stopped crying over it LOL) was remind me to be kind and loving towards others. here's the post i was told i was rude in: http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...915#post309915 obviously it was how it was taken by the other person and not actually what i meant... so i knew i needed to be careful how i said things from then on.

what a great gift that negative point was!

lol, I kind of think the point thing is "silly".... I mean if everyone went around giving good rep points for good responses I think Adam would have like +5000!

This is also the only forum I have every been to with the point system, i do like how it doesnt show the post counts though....

Should we all take part in giving out these?? B/c I usually don't even thinkk about it.

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lol, I kind of think the point thing is "silly".... I mean if everyone went around giving good rep points for good responses I think Adam would have like +5000!

This is also the only forum I have every been to with the point system, i do like how it doesnt show the post counts though....

Should we all take part in giving out these?? B/c I usually don't even thinkk about it.

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You should feel free to use the rep system. If you think someone is being exceptionally helpful, or even just arguementative, then go ahead and do it. :D That's what it's there for. No one person can greatly affect anothers. There are limits put in place, so that doesn't happen. (You have to give rep points to many other members before you can give to that same person again.) I don't want to encourage using rep points cause you like this picture or don't like the grammar on that post. If everyone uses a little common sense the system should work great!

Dan, members can choose to use or not use the point system. If someone is going to use the system and give out points, whether positive or negative, we prefer that they do so according to the helpfulness or accuracy of the advice given. Obviously there are other factors you can consider when deciding whose advice is the most reliable. Someone else mentioned the length of time a member has been here. That can be a good indicator as well. Rusty, Kara, Adam, and our mods always have good advice. As for the rest of our members, once you've been around a little while, you'll know who to listen to. The reputation system is not perfect, but we felt it was superior to the post count system which only measured quantity of posts, not quality. If everyone uses the reputation system the way it is meant to be used, it can be very helpful to newcomers who won't know right off the bat who is a more experienced keeper.

OK, apparently I'm really dumb, but I don't see how to view someone else's reputation points? I click on their profile and don't see it there, and I don't see it on the posts either? :confused:

Just wanted to say I'm very impressed with this thread folks. It's a great discussion being handled very well instead of going bad quickly, which it could have easily done.

As has been pointed out so well by a couple of members, learning from our mistakes even if it hurts the ego a bit, but it's for the benefit of the creatures we took responsibility for, is for me at least the mark of a caring person with an open mind and a willingness to learn and adjust. I think that's a large part of what a forum like this is for other than the friendships formed, etc. If any of us ever think we don't need to learn anything more about our creatures or from the experiences of another, I think in the end we short change ourselves and them.

As far as how I handle my own little green box. It's nice and a handy tool but basically I post how I feel about something and let the chips falls where they may. No internet forum tool will ever show anyone who I am but my words will convey it clearly I hope and those words and thoughts are what I will always stand by.


~~Jo~~

Robin you can't see the actual number of points, but if you put your cursor over that little green box below the avatar, you can see what kind of standing that member is in. Everyone starts out as Welcome around here, and after lots of rep has been given they become an asset to the community. Likewise when someone has a few points taken away they get They should think before posting and if enough are taken away you get ... Shoot I can't remember, anyway you get the idea. ;)

You can't. Thats the whole big non-issue here. The only thing you might see is where it tells someone "you might want to think before posting". That is the only negative thing I have ever seen. It means that and nothing else. Think before you post. Think about what you are going to say, and consider your audience.

My audience is people of varying ages and backgrounds. I would guess at least 50% of people know more about snakes that I do. I would also guess 50-75% have more experince than I do. Most are over the age of 18, those that aren't should be able to understand what I am typing. At least 40% of my audience is female. How will what I say have to impact people and what is being discussed? Will it make me look like an idiot (it has many times)? Has it been said already in that thread? All these things need to be considered before you post.

This reputation business is small potatoes. The real business here is learning and teaching people how to become better snake owners. It is also having a place to congregate and share our joy, misfortune, and frustration with people who feel the same things for the same reason. I talk about snakes all day long, most people roll thier eyes or worse at me. They could care less. At least when I post pics of snakes here people are glad to see them and know how good I feel inside. Lets just forget this whole "rep" things and get down to business.

The only place rep matters in my opinion is the BOI. I will not purchase from a peron who has a single "substantiated" negative reputaion point there.

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This reputation business is small potatoes. The real business here is learning and teaching people how to become better snake owners. It is also having a place to congregate and share our joy, misfortune, and frustration with people who feel the same things for the same reason.

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I couldn't have said it better myself!