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  • 12-27-2022, 09:32 PM
    Jamiekerk
    Using predatory mites for snake mite eradication
    Heat lamps naturally lower humidity, and without a substrate to hold humidity it will be difficult.

    Once mites are dealt with a mix of coconut fibre and moss will bring the humidity up nicely.

    In terms of the mite treatment there’s a product you can get which I have used numerous time but do your own research it’s a mite that hunts snake mites called Taurrus.

    These will rapidly hunt and consume the mites then die off and are completely harmless to your reptile.


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  • 12-27-2022, 10:04 PM
    Bogertophis
    Re: Dehydrated/underweight
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Jamiekerk View Post
    ...

    In terms of the mite treatment there’s a product you can get which I have used numerous time but do your own research it’s a mite that hunts snake mites called Taurrus.

    These will rapidly hunt and consume the mites then die off and are completely harmless to your reptile.


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    Except I don't think they're available or legal in the U.S. so that probably won't help. :confusd:
  • 12-27-2022, 10:07 PM
    GuardianHunter
    Re: Dehydrated/underweight
    That is fascinating. I had not seen that. I’ll absolutely check that out.
  • 12-27-2022, 10:12 PM
    Jamiekerk
    Re: Dehydrated/underweight
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bogertophis View Post
    Except I don't think they're available or legal in the U.S. so that probably won't help. :confusd:

    The world is bigger than just the US, and yes they are available in the us


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  • 12-27-2022, 10:52 PM
    Bogertophis
    Re: Dehydrated/underweight
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Jamiekerk View Post
    ... yes they are available in the us


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    Oh good, that's changed now then- I'm glad. Mite be worth a try- :) (pun intended)
  • 12-28-2022, 07:54 AM
    Homebody
    Re: Dehydrated/underweight
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Jamiekerk View Post
    In terms of the mite treatment there’s a product you can get which I have used numerous time but do your own research it’s a mite that hunts snake mites called Taurrus.

    These will rapidly hunt and consume the mites then die off and are completely harmless to your reptile.

    How was your experience with it? Sounds too good to be true. Why would keepers continue to apply dangerous chemical treatments if all you have to do is salt on predatory mites? Their website says that they are best used as a preventative solution.
  • 12-28-2022, 09:17 AM
    Jamiekerk
    Re: Dehydrated/underweight
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Homebody View Post
    How was your experience with it? Sounds too good to be true. Why would keepers continue to apply dangerous chemical treatments if all you have to do is salt on predatory mites? Their website says that they are best used as a preventative solution.

    The best defence against anything is always preventive measures, I had two snakes I rescued at one point that both came with mites had them segregated for 3 weeks and used them they was fine after this time.


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  • 12-28-2022, 09:29 AM
    Jamiekerk
    Re: Dehydrated/underweight
    Also regarding mites they like to crawl out of tubs and enclosures so do multiple deep cleans in the room they are in as they like to go elsewhere and come back


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  • 12-28-2022, 10:39 AM
    Malum Argenteum
    Is there evidence that these, Cheyletus eruditus, are legally available in the US? Insect predators are regulated by USDA/APHIS. I find no sources for purchase in the US, and importing them would require a permit.

    They are also potential human parasites:
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31014844/
  • 12-28-2022, 01:23 PM
    Jamiekerk
    Dehydrated/underweight
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Malum Argenteum View Post
    Is there evidence that these, Cheyletus eruditus, are legally available in the US? Insect predators are regulated by USDA/APHIS. I find no sources for purchase in the US, and importing them would require a permit.

    They are also potential human parasites:
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31014844/

    May not be that exact species but there are various mites available for sale In the us that feed on other mites such as

    https://www.arbico-organics.com/prod...er-guide-mites

    A quick Google search and you can find the various species for sale in the us

    https://www.andermatt-biovet.de/medi...en_English.pdf

    Also linked is a study by American association of zoo veterinarians.


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  • 12-28-2022, 03:01 PM
    Bogertophis
    Re: Dehydrated/underweight
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Jamiekerk View Post
    Also regarding mites they like to crawl out of tubs and enclosures so do multiple deep cleans in the room they are in as they like to go elsewhere and come back


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    Legal & available or not, THAT would be a deal-breaker for me. :( "Be careful what you wish for."
  • 12-29-2022, 11:07 AM
    Malum Argenteum
    Re: Using predatory mites for snake mite eradication
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Malum Argenteum View Post
    Is there evidence that these, Cheyletus eruditus, are legally available in the US? Insect predators are regulated by USDA/APHIS. I find no sources for purchase in the US, and importing them would require a permit.

    I contacted APHIS; here's my message and the response.

    "Could you please tell me the regulatory status of Cheyletus eruditus — whether the organism can be possessed/transported/imported in the US, and what are the requirements (containment facility, etc) for doing so? I’m in the state of Wisconsin, if that’s relevant."

    "This email is in response to your recent inquiry to the Pest Permits email as to the initiation of the application process for the movement of Cheyletus eruditus into the United States. The USDA APHIS-PPQ Plant Pest Permitting unit makes regulatory determinations from a permit application.


    You will need to complete a PPQ 526 Form (see our website: https://efile.aphis.usda.gov) to apply for an import/interstate permit to authorize the movement of organisms (potential plant pest/biocontrol organisms) into the United States. The Permit Scientist will review your application and make a regulatory determination as to whether a Permit, a Letter of No Jurisdiction, a Letter No Permit Required, or a Letter of Denial will be issued. If a permit is required, you may need to have a containment facility inspected and approved by APHIS-PPQ. See link for containment facility guidelines at:https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/our...ts/containment.


    The application form can be submitted electronically to the ePermits system (Preferred!). You must have a Verified account (Level 2 eAuthentication) for access – see https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/res...eauth-epermits for instructions on how to get a Verified account). You may also fax or use the expressed mail by DHL, UPS or FedEx or mailed via U.S. Postal, a paper application to APHIS, PPQ, 4700 River Road, Unit 133, Riverdale, Maryland 20737.

    The Permit will provide the regulations and conditions that should be met. It is advised that no sample material be shipped to the destination from the source prior to the Permit being issued or regulatory decision made.

    Should you have questions, please contact Telephone 301-851-2285, Toll Free 866-524-5421.
    E-mail – Pest.Permits@usda.gov

    Thanks,


    USDA-APHIS Plant Pest Permits
    Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service,
    Plant Protection and Quarantine,
    Pest Exclusion and Import Programs
    Permitting and Compliance Coordination Division
    Pests, Pathogens, and Biocontrol Permits Branch
    4700 River Road

    Riverdale, MD 20737"

    I've asked similar questions of APHIS before, and been been given more details of regulations (I have some PPQ permits, but not for anything that requires containment facilities). This response implies that it is not yet determined whether they'd be allowed import.
  • 12-29-2022, 12:52 PM
    Bogertophis
    It sure doesn't sound "do-able" to me...:rolleyes: Wow, thank you for your diligent research on this, Malum...
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