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Banana Fire or just Banana???

That little spot at the back of the head makes me think there's a chance for fire... But it may be a low expression on the headstamp.

I have a couple of coral glow special orange ghosts that I'm having a similar trouble with. One definitely has the little clover stamp on the back of the head. The other not so much.

The banana color really helps hide some of that expression.

Yeah that and there is quite a bit of flaming near the belly is why I think there is fire. But Banana is so polymorphic it's hard to be sure. Didn't know sire was yellowbelly until this clutch. Thank you for your time and good luck to figuring out your bananas.

I'm leaning just Banana on this one. I would expect a bit more variation from dorsal to side color with Fire in there, really bright yellow dorsal and more peachy/orange-yellow on the sides.

Good to know. Thank you for your input

Dam is believed to be Disco not Fire

Disco and fire can appear pretty similar as it's the same complex.
I would still lean towards what Nikkubus had guessed. Banana only for this one. And for your other snake disco instead of fire.

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Disco and fire can appear pretty similar as it's the same complex.
I would still lean towards what Nikkubus had guessed. Banana only for this one. And for your other snake disco instead of fire.

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Sounds good thank you just thought I would double check

I would say Banana Fire. It has that less intense, softer look to it, without the bright oranges on the sides, like Pastel in Banana. so yeah, I would say Banana Fire.

Just out of curiosity, what was the pairing that produced this reptile? Oh, I see the dam. The sire is yellowbelly. I see.

Banana. Possibly yellowbelly. Don’t really see fire or disco.

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Just out of curiosity, what was the pairing that produced this reptile? Oh, I see the dam. The sire is yellowbelly. I see.

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Pairing was Disco/Fire x Banana, Calico, Yellowbelly

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The color is really coming in nice!

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The color is really coming in nice!

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Yeah it's crazy after a couple sheds how different he looks. Still leaning towards just banana?

I'm questioning if I missed YB. Does he have any tracks on his belly? That flaming has colored up a lot.

Looks like a different reptile now with those flaming laterals. Was he in shed in the initial pictures?

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I'm questioning if I missed YB. Does he have any tracks on his belly? That flaming has colored up a lot.

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No his belly is pretty plain which had me leaning towards disco. He just ate last night and I don't have a good picture of it.

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Looks like a different reptile now with those flaming laterals. Was he in shed in the initial pictures?

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No they were taken right after first shed. The other banana in the clutch has gained a lot of contrast as well they were both kind of dull at first

Probably just a very nice Banana then.

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Is this another sibling?

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Is this another sibling?

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Yes it is

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I’ll go out on a limb here and consider this one to possibly be banana calico disco Yellowbelly. It seems as the head stamp looks consistent although I can’t tell if there is blushing at the neck behind the head stamp. The alien head eyes are not only disappearing but almost not present. The flaming laterals don’t seem as intense as the sibling and we’re not sure about any belly checkering?

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I’ll go out on a limb here and consider this one to possibly be banana calico disco Yellowbelly. It seems as the head stamp looks consistent although I can’t tell if there is blushing at the neck behind the head stamp. The alien head eyes are not only disappearing but almost not present. The flaming laterals don’t seem as intense as the sibling and we’re not sure about any belly checkering?

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Yes there is blushing on the back of the head. The pictures do not do him justice. The other one is hard to say it's so faded the yellow just washes it out.

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I’ll go out on a limb here and consider this one to possibly be banana calico disco Yellowbelly. It seems as the head stamp looks consistent although I can’t tell if there is blushing at the neck behind the head stamp. The alien head eyes are not only disappearing but almost not present. The flaming laterals don’t seem as intense as the sibling and we’re not sure about any belly checkering?

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When you say disappearing do you mean the general shape or the banding together?

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When you say disappearing do you mean the general shape or the banding together?

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I was referring to the absence of the “circles” or “eyes” inside the alien heads. It’s apparent on the side facing the photo. However , part of the lateral scales we can’t see because of the way the reptile is curled. In any case they become less and less as you look from neck region to mid body and then caudally. Possibly the calico influence as well on darker coloration.

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Another sibling with the same pairing?

What are your thoughts on her? Do you think it is just the calico and yellowbelly getting rid of the alien heads?

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Yes it is

That is typical of disco ball. More so than anything else. Yellowbelly is more of a vibrancy and coloration enhancer..

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That is typical of disco ball. More so than anything else. Yellowbelly is more of a vibrancy and coloration enhancer..

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Would you say she is a Calico, Disco, Yellowbelly then? I had two others that I thought were that but maybe they only have 2 of the gene's.

Hmmm. The alien heads are still there but it’s the circles or eyes within the alien heads that seem not to be present or become markedly less throughout the length of the animal.

If she does have disco I would say the other two are probably just calico, disco without the Yellowbelly

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If she does have disco I would say the other two are probably just calico, disco without the Yellowbelly

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Well, with the brightness in the coloration and flaming on the lateral scales would point towards yellowbelly. Depending also if the signs of checkering along the ventral scales on the belly.

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Well, with the brightness in the coloration and flaming on the lateral scales would point towards yellowbelly. Depending also if the signs of checkering along the ventral scales on the belly.

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She is definitely yellowbelly very strong on the belly. I just thought maybe she had disco because of the lack of eyes and headstamp.

Thanks. It is very possible.

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I have been told this is the Calico, Disco, Yellowbelly. Is that correct?

I think that’s a fair assessment.

Sounds good. The other one is probably just calico yellowbelly then. Thank you for your time and knowledge this is my first clutch and I was just expecting bananas and calico lol.

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Sounds good. The other one is probably just calico yellowbelly then. Thank you for your time and knowledge this is my first clutch and I was just expecting bananas and calico lol.

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Great! Nice work and keep it up. :gj:

Thank you. I am excited for the future. Most of my girls are finally getting up to size. Got them all as babies

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Thank you. I am excited for the future. Most of my girls are finally getting up to size. Got them all as babies

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They are up to size? Are they all 2 years or older though? Remember , it’s important for females to have the age as well as size to be the best breeders they can be.

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They are up to size? Are they all 2 years or older though? Remember , it’s important for females to have the age as well as size to be the best breeders they can be.

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You don't have to worry about me I love them all haha. I know they say 1500 grams but I like them more around 2000 grams they just look so small at 1500 to me. Yeah I know they have to be 2 or 3 to start. It has been a long wait haha and most won't go until next year still. I think my banana will go this year she was 1800 like 2 and a half years old. Super excited about that one. The one I paired was originally a pet before I ever planned on breeding she is like 5.