Question about breeding

Hello all, just have a question for the more experienced breeder. I have a female I been pairing up since October and lately for this last week she's been soaking all day. She hasn't ovulated yet. Is this common for females that are cool seeking?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...7d69e9d323.jpg

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Wow! Beautiful reptile and a great looking enclosure. Congrats. If it were me, I would first double check the temperatures all around. Make sure a sensor probe hasn’t been displaced or the temperature hasn’t spiked for some reason. I would triple check her for mites. I would concentrate on checking her head, chin, and all the folds on that area. I would double check her eyes, heat sensing pits and whole body really looking under the scales, the cloacal region and its folds and creases. Again, I would check the tub and the substrate, underneath the lips of the tub and its corners. It certainly could be cool seeking but I would rule out other possibilities also.

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Wow! Beautiful reptile and a great looking enclosure. Congrats. If it were me, I would first double check the temperatures all around. Make sure a sensor probe hasn’t been displaced or the temperature hasn’t spiked for some reason. I would triple check her for mites. I would concentrate on checking her head, chin, and all the folds on that area. I would double check her eyes, heat sensing pits and whole body really looking under the scales, the cloacal region and its folds and creases. Again, I would check the tub and the substrate, underneath the lips of the tub and its corners. It certainly could be cool seeking but I would rule out other possibilities also.

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Yea checked all that already, replaced the water last night drained it thru a paper towel and checked her. Temps all good hit spot at 89 cool end 80. I've bred before but this is the first female I've had that soaked before ovulation.

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Originally Posted by Santiago6621

Yea checked all that already, replaced the water last night drained it thru a paper towel and checked her. Temps all good hit spot at 89 cool end 80. I've bred before but this is the first female I've had that soaked before ovulation.

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That’s great then. Seems like you triple checked everything. I would think I’m in the clear and chalk it up to normal behavior on her part individually. :salute:

There's been quite a few anecdotes over the years of some females preferring to soak in rather than wrap around the water bowl prior to an Ovy. Here's to hoping yours is on the right track!
Here's even a thread about it from a while back here:
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...-in-water-bowl

The only other thing I would keep in mind is to be mindful of her humidity. Yes, some of the bedding is already damp from her having pushed all the water out of the bowl, but I see what looks like a bits of shed skin in the bedding as well? If she's not feeling like it's humid enough, she could just be preparing for a shed and not an ovulation.

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There's been quite a few anecdotes over the years of some females preferring to soak in rather than wrap around the water bowl prior to an Ovy. Here's to hoping yours is on the right track!
Here's even a thread about it from a while back here:
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...-in-water-bowl

The only other thing I would keep in mind is to be mindful of her humidity. Yes, some of the bedding is already damp from her having pushed all the water out of the bowl, but I see what looks like a bits of shed skin in the bedding as well? If she's not feeling like it's humid enough, she could just be preparing for a shed and not an ovulation.

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Thanks for the link. The piece of shed is pretty old. I've been misting the coco bedding every so often to make sure humidity is up. I've been jusy curious cause my other girl who I started pairing same day has ovulated and is in deep shed now so this girl is lagging behind some

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I wouldn't be alarmed. She is probably getting really close to ovy.

Anyone ever have a female hangout put on the cops side rather than the hot side after ovulation and prelay shed?

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Anyone ever have a female hangout on the cool side rather than the hot side after ovulation and prelay shed?

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Anyone ever have a female hangout put on the cops side rather than the hot side after ovulation and prelay shed?

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Not for any extended period of time. What are your hot side temps at?

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Not for any extended period of time. What are your hot side temps at?

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89 hot side and 80 on the cool. She just prelay shed yesterday

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89 is a bit hot for breeding season but I wouldn't think its quite enough to make her hang out all the way at the cool side unless there just isn't enough gradient for her. Is it possible she either reabsorbed or isn't quite as far along as you think? Did you catch her in ovulation?

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89 is a bit hot for breeding season but I wouldn't think its quite enough to make her hang out all the way at the cool side unless there just isn't enough gradient for her. Is it possible she either reabsorbed or isn't quite as far along as you think? Did you catch her in ovulation?

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I caught ovulation and 17 days after she shed. Had thr tail suck and all. Let me see if I took a photo

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I caught ovulation and 17 days after she shed. Had thr tail suck and all. Let me see if I took a photo

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Won't let me upload dont know why but she definitely ovulated. Had the crease in her tail and lower 3rd was all buldged out. Guess I'll just wait and see

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She was on the hotside when I just checked so I'll keep an eye on her

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89 is a bit hot for breeding season but I wouldn't think its quite enough to make her hang out all the way at the cool side unless there just isn't enough gradient for her. Is it possible she either reabsorbed or isn't quite as far along as you think? Did you catch her in ovulation?

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What temp do you keep the hotside? I kept at 89 because alot of the articles I read said they didn't lower hot side temps

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What temp do you keep the hotside? I kept at 89 because alot of the articles I read said they didn't lower hot side temps

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I don't do this year round, but I keep the hot spot no more than 86 during breeding season. Many people leave their temps the same year round, but the female's movement behavior with thermoregulating is probably different for people who do vs ones that don't, so that's why I ask.

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I don't do this year round, but I keep the hot spot no more than 86 during breeding season. Many people leave their temps the same year round, but the female's movement behavior with thermoregulating is probably different for people who do vs ones that don't, so that's why I ask.

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Yes I've read that lowering Temps would help with follicle growth. Only issue I had was the bottom of my rack when I have it set to 89 the last tub is probably 86 so if I lower to 86 I might get 83 or lower on that last tub. Waiting till my season is over and I'm going to elevate my rack some to keep it off the floor

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Yes I've read that lowering Temps would help with follicle growth. Only issue I had was the bottom of my rack when I have it set to 89 the last tub is probably 86 so if I lower to 86 I might get 83 or lower on that last tub. Waiting till my season is over and I'm going to elevate my rack some to keep it off the floor

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Some variation in a rack is to be expected. What I would do unless your rack is unstable and needs extra weight at the bottom is keep your females that are building-laying towards the top so they get less slugs, and males and younger females won't mind the 89 so much :)

Edit- if I misunderstood and the bottom is the cooler (should be) do the reverse of that and have females who are breeding at the bottom

Just a update, female been more on the hot side now. Noticed a swell on her mid section a few days ago but no tail suck but the swell is gone now. Going to see if she goes into shed next few weeks

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Well almost a month later but she finally ovulated. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...90621ba699.jpg

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She laid yesterday, 9 fertile eggs no slugs https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...6b0f637eb0.jpg

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Wow, what a nice big clutch! :gj:

First one out the egg. A killer bee clownhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...ebf783a571.jpg

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Wow, that one's a radical-looking BP! And he or she couldn't wait to show off, lol.

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Wow, that one's a radical-looking BP! And he or she couldn't wait to show off, lol.

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Thanks. I cut the 2 eggs closest to her/him but won't cut thr others till tomorrow cause they are towards the front of incubator. So far 2 out of 3 are clowns good odds from visual clown to het clown

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Rest of the clutch is out, odds weren't in my favor only hit 3 clowns out of 9 from a visual to a hethttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...5d67364c22.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...8dea844300.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...08a97108bc.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...0d45713919.jpg

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Congrats! Sorry your odds weren't great but they are still gorgeous :)