red weird eyes in my super lesser

Hi guys.
I'm talking from Brazil, and I'm new here in this forum.
Some days ago I had this offspring from my Lesser couple.
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...D6P9Z/Offs.jpg
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...ibb.co/RYjDsBp

But some weird happens with my baby Lucy's eyes: they are not blues!

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...3xCK/eye-3.jpg

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...2xL6W/eye2.jpg


The light (natural, artificial, flashlight, flash, cold or hot colors lamp) has no interference in this color.

I did some research about the subject, but didn't found a definitive answer.
Is this a serious problem or a common mutation?
I need to care about this?
Can you, guys, help me?

Thanks.

Silvery color with red pupils is normal and still considered blue.
Sometimes the iris will develop more of a 'blue' colorand the pupil becomes less noticeable as red as they get older, but the pupils will always have a red cast when light is shined into them.

Have I to be concerned?

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Originally Posted by Armiyana

Silvery color with red pupils is normal and still considered blue.
Sometimes the iris will develop more of a 'blue' colorand the pupil becomes less noticeable as red as they get older, but the pupils will always have a red cast when light is shined into them.

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There is another example here in forum?

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Originally Posted by manoelcomar

Have I to be concerned?

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I don't see why? You're just seeing the normal blood circulation in the eye- that's what makes the red color- it's normal, when not obscured by other pigments in the eye.

If you need a photo confirmation.
This is one of my own hatchlings, BEL (mojave lesser)

You'll also see red pupils in banana / coral glows and pieds. It's just something that happens sometimes and doesn't mean anything is wrong with them.

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...om/b2trYoN.pnghttps://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...om/iKbt6HI.png

That being said....Taking a closer look at your baby on my computer and not my tiny phone screen.
If I'm wrong, please someone pop in and correct me.
The thing I notice about your baby in particular is that the eyes look a little 'bug eyed' to me. They seem slightly larger than normal for a ball python and there's a slight bump where the bone is shaped to make room for them. It's something that can happen when breeding super lessers or super butters. Usually, this doesn't do anything to affect the snake. Sometimes they kinda grow into them and they look less pronounced as the snake ages.
The only thing I would watch out for is if they do seem to bulge out more over time or if the top of the head seems to swell more. Honestly though, this is not the worst that I've seen and I wouldn't have even noticed had I not decided to take a better look at the photos you posted just to make sure I didn't miss anything about the eye color. The bulge is pretty minor.

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Originally Posted by Armiyana

They seem slightly larger than normal for a ball python and there's a slight bump where the bone is shaped to make room for them. It's something that can happen when breeding super lessers or super butters. Usually, this doesn't do anything to affect the snake. Sometimes they kinda grow into them and they look less pronounced as the snake ages.

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About the eyes, I already percepted this. Indeed, this baby was in the same egg that another one: one Lesser.
Maybe this is one of other reason that the head so lesser than the ordinaries, in comparatitive with the eyes size?

I don 't think being a twin is the reason for it. It's just a fairly common genetic issue with super lessers.
The babies being smaller is the most common thing seen with twins because they share the same egg. In this case they probably both had their own yolk sack and seem to have developed really well and strong.

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Originally Posted by Armiyana

In this case they probably both had their own yolk sack and seem to have developed really well and strong.

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You are right! both had their own yolk sac.
Nowadays I'm keeping up her development and the eyes still keep the same color: maybe after the first shed something change.

Thanks for your help.

Hello guys, what's up?


Updating this case: yesterday it had it first shed.


Now, with new skin and the same unusual eyes... LOL

It brother has blue eyes: son of the same dad, but different mom.


https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...Nkb2BQS/01.jpg

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...QJ46cwZ/02.jpg
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...ibb.co/gd66y2k

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Originally Posted by manoelcomar

There is another example here in forum?

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My banana has that somewhat. Just not the ring of blue some Bels have. Pretty bel by the way :gj:

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...om/L3lQaTJ.png

Great clutch! Congrats. Consider giving the physical presentation more time. The reptile still has a lot of growing to do and maybe the first shed just isn’t enough time. Genetics is not a exact science and there are degrees of variability, influences, and random occurrences or presentations. Relax and enjoy them and see where it goes at the 6 month marker. Congrats again. Hope this helps!

They look pretty normal to me for a BEL

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Originally Posted by Albert Clark

Relax and enjoy them and see where it goes at the 6 month marker. Congrats again. Hope this helps!

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Indeed!
See you again in August ... :gj:

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Originally Posted by nikkubus

They look pretty normal to me for a BEL

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Due to the fact that I'm a beginner in the ball pythons world, the eyes color caused me a little concern: I only knew super lessers with blue eyes...


But now I'm a bit more relaxed about the issue: thanks to the friends from this forum! :D

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Originally Posted by Trinityblood

Pretty bel by the way :gj:

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Pretty Banana!
Congrats

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Originally Posted by manoelcomar

Due to the fact that I'm a beginner in the ball pythons world, the eyes color caused me a little concern: I only knew super lessers with blue eyes...


But now I'm a bit more relaxed about the issue: thanks to the friends from this forum! :D

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All sorts of things go through our minds when we don't have others with similar experience to discuss what we're seeing. ;) Don't be a stranger here. :snake:

Stepping in to agree, looks like your typical BEL

I'm glad that the worries are gone. I was hoping the pictures of my BEL with the same red pupils would have helped you earlier.

There's a lot of polymorphic traits in Ball Pythons. Even something well known like, "pastels have green eyes" isn't always right. Or the patterns on two snakes with the same genes can be dramatically different.