Honey and constipation?

Hello everyone,
I recently found out my BP is constipated. Since finding out I gave her a warm bath, did the massage thing that some people recommend (a little urate did come out). I was wondering. My pacman frog gets constipation issues. Frog people recommend putting honey in the water with them. It actually works quicker than just regular water. Had anyone heard of doing this with a snake? If so I would try it. I didn't want to give it a try if people don't so this with snakes. I am going to try putting mineral oil on her vent tonight after another bath. If she doesn't go within the next two days I will take her to be seen by a vet. Since giving her the warm bath last night she is alot more active, so hopefully the bath did something for her.

NO. No honey, & don't be installing mineral oil in either end of your snake either.

First- how do you know your snake "is constipated"???

First, we need more info to help you. How old is your snake, & how big (roughly)? How long have you had? etc. (Posting a picture would help a lot too.)

I wasn't going to be doing an enema. Just putting a little on the opening in case it needs to be loosened up. Thank you on the honey response. She refused food the last two times she was offered food. The first time she was fine. This time I noticed she was a bit inactive and she has a budge at the end of her body. After soaking her for a half hour in warm warm. She started to move alot more and I noticed the urate seeping out. So I gently massaged the area. More started to come out. She then started to become more active as well. Since soaking her she has been crawling all over the enclosure. I have her in a steralite enclosure. She has coconut fiber only in her hide. The rest of the enclosure has paper towel. She always has water readily available at all times. Her enclosure is at 81- 85 with a hot spot around 88-90. It is a but dry because of the cold weather in our area so I dampen the coconut fibers in one hide. I will be soaking her again this afternoon. Like I said if she doesn't go in the next few days I will take her in. I'll get pictures when I take her out to soak her today.

My snake hatched out August of this year. I had her since October. She was on live mice with her breeder and I offered ft she transitioned very easy. Ate for me the first three times I offered food. It is just the last two times I offered that she refused. Like I mentioned this second time she refused is when I realized she has a budge at the end of the body.

BPs require higher humidity- about 60% most of the time, & about 75% when in shed. You should at least put in a "humid hide" with moist sphagnum moss (& keep rehydrating it). And you really should be measuring (accurately) her humidity.

From your description, it does sound like she may be constipated & need some help. She might also be blocked up from a "urate stone" (or other issue), for which vet help is needed, especially if the "swimming motions" in the bathtub of shallow luke-warm water didn't "get the job done". (-it usually does)

The reason I asked why you think she's constipated is because many new snake owners just assume that their snake should defecate after every meal, or more often than they normally do.
When snakes are young & eating younger prey, there's also a lot less waste left over to expel, because the young rodents are mostly digestible, so they conserve water by going less often.

But you shouldn't be seeing a bulge above the cloaca, & she shouldn't be refusing food, so yes, it's time to get her some vet help.

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Okay. Thank you for your response. Do you think I should try a soak one more time? Or since she has a budge there, it isn't worth the stress and I should make an appointment for the vet? I have never dealt with a snake that wouldn't poo and we have had quite a few snakes. So I was just looking for home remedies first. You did mention urate stones, so I may need to take her to make sure it isn't something like that. I don't want her to be in pain. Poor girl.

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Okay. Thank you for your response. Do you think I should try a soak one more time? Or since she has a budge there, it isn't worth the stress and I should make an appointment for the vet? I have never dealt with a snake that wouldn't poo and we have had quite a few snakes. So I was just looking for home remedies first. You did mention urate stones, so I may need to take her to make sure it isn't something like that. I don't want her to be in pain. Poor girl.

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Yes, I would. Especially if you can use a bathtub, not a small container of water to "soak". It's the actual swimming motions that can really help- but you don't want her in deep water, just about 3" of luke-warm water. Remember you're 98.6* so if the water feels warm to you, it's probably over 100* & too hot for your snake! Use a thermometer for best results- water should feel cool to you, but not cold. And never leave a snake alone in the tub...not that you would. ;)

You want her to stretch out & make "S" motions- support under her mid-body so she doesn't actually go anywhere. ;) Spend at least 15-20 minutes doing this- she needs the hydration too.

I've dealt with a snake that had urate stones (aka "cloacaliths") before, that's how I know about them- they're not common. Snakes can also ingest things while swallowing prey that they cannot digest & that can cause a blockage, or they can develop a fast-growing tumor- so if she doesn't defecate for you, it's best to have a vet sort this out. Might need an x-ray too. But keeping my fingers crossed that the "swimming" does the job. Don't worry about the "stress" of this swimming in the tub- vets are stressful too- always better if you can resolve things at home.

BTW, go real easy on the "massage"- you can cause harm, depending on what the blockage is.

I have kept the massage in mind to not be rough. So I wasn't being too heavy handed or even using too much pressure. I know her kidneys and stuff are down there too somewhere so I don't want to cause any kind of harm to her in the long run. She hardly moved at all when I was doing it so I assumed I was being gentle. The soak yesterday was actually in a little soaking tub. So perhaps soaking her in the tub would be a much better solution. Especially the movement being the better motivation. I think I am going to make an appointment and until then just try and help her soak. If she ends up going then great and I can always cancel. But if she ends up not be able to express anything herself I at least have an appointment for her. Thank you again for your help.

I had her in the water tonight. Her cloaca kept opening up and I could see the urate trying to come out. So I kept her tail under the water and had her moving. I ended up gently pressing in a downward motion and helped a little bit come out. Still not enough to help the mass come out. But it was much better than yesterday. I also ended up buying mineral oil. And NOT doing an enema or putting it in her mouth. But just putting a little on her cloaca to maybe help any discomfort she has on the outside of her body. And if something ends up coming out tonight when she is in her enclosure, perhaps it would help lubricant and she would have any tearing. I am keeping my fingers crossed maybe she will go tonight or tomorrow.

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I had her in the water tonight. Her cloaca kept opening up and I could see the urate trying to come out. So I kept her tail under the water and had her moving. I ended up gently pressing in a downward motion and helped a little bit come out. Still not enough to help the mass come out. But it was much better than yesterday. I also ended up buying mineral oil. And NOT doing an enema or putting it in her mouth. But just putting a little on her cloaca to maybe help any discomfort she has on the outside of her body. And if something ends up coming out tonight when she is in her enclosure, perhaps it would help lubricant and she would have any tearing. I am keeping my fingers crossed maybe she will go tonight or tomorrow.

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I hope so too- glad you tried again. :gj:

I have a 7:15 vet appointment tonight for her. I decided with the holidays coming up, I better get her seen Incase something happens in the next week. This was the only appointment they had available and are booked four weeks out. So happy I got her in. I don't want the poor girl to be in pain.

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I have a 7:15 vet appointment tonight for her. I decided with the holidays coming up, I better get her seen Incase something happens in the next week. This was the only appointment they had available and are booked four weeks out. So happy I got her in. I don't want the poor girl to be in pain.

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I'm so very happy to hear this (sooner rather than later)- I hope the appointment goes well & with minimal intervention needed. :gj:

I since took my girl to the vet on Wednesday. The doctor got a pretty good sized urate plug out of her. Asked if I wanted an x-ray done. We went ahead and did that. Turns out in her favor, there was a little urate left deeper in the body, but no gas pockets, no sign of infection, no sign of any injury or anything. Everything looks good besides the remaining urate. I was told to let her rest for a day or two. Then start to swim her everyday. Also told me to wait to offer food til Sunday. First day I 'swam' her she expressed a bit of urate herself. Everyday after that nothing. I did noticed where she was swollen before is back to being swollen, this shows me that the remaining urate did move down on its own. I am hoping she can get the rest out. I offered food yesterday which she refused. So I emailed my vet today (hopefully to get a next step in what he thinks is a good idea). She seems to be moving around in the enclosure much more than she had prior to the vet visit. The only thing I did not take him up on was the B12 shot. The offer expires on Wednesday. So I may be visiting again for the shot. I just wanted to give an update.

You're doing all the right things, from "where I sit", & I hope it won't be long before your snake feels like eating again. The B-12 might help too, I'd personally try that.

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The B-12 might help too, I'd personally try that.

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Is this a not-uncommon treatment for snakes that are 'off' in some way?

The B vitamin shots are definitely more common for basking species like red ear sliders or bearded dragons from what I've seen. For the sliders, a common issue is the watery or swollen looking eyes and that is sometimes due to a B vit deficiency.

They work as an all around immune booster from what I understand. In this case, a B-12 shot is to help get the intestines moving a bit more. And the worst that will happen with a single shot would be the snake just pees it out later. *Shrug*

Hello everyone,
Last night I soaked her and let her swim. She let out a good amount of urate. I held her for awhile then put her in her enclosure. She crawled into her hide like she does every night. The vet even wrote me back and said he isn't concerned about her not eating at this point yet. Everything looked good on X-ray and she was expected to make a full recovering.
Fast forward to an hour ago. I went to check on her and found her passed away. I am devastated. I can't stop blaming myself and I feel horrible. These snakes live for years and I couldn't even give her 6 months. I feel so absolutely horrible. I wasn't expecting this outcome. Especially from all the positive things that were said about her health. I'm sorry I couldn't help her🥺

OMG, I'm so sorry to hear this. And I do not think it was anything you did (wrong), sometimes young snakes just fail to thrive due to internal abnormalities, which is what her issues suggest to me. Snakes are SO stoic- we can only do the best we can for them, and you did that. It's sad, yes, but don't beat yourself up over it. :tears:

I'm so sorry for your loss. You did everything you could for her.

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Thank you. I just can't stop crying. I feel so bad for her. I just feel since nothing showed up on x-ray and no sign of infection or anything that it was something I did. She was fine last night. I was so happy she went on her own and everything. She was fine. My poor baby🐍

My condolences. I know how you feel. My bp passed two months ago from a swelling near his cloaca (link). Sounds like you did all you could. Take your time and mourn. Two months removed and I'm mostly over it. I renovated my bp's enclosure and I'm looking forward to getting a new snake (a Children's python). I'm really excited about it actually, but hearing your story takes me back to when it happened. The pain is fresh again. I hope you feel better soon, but it'll be much longer before you're completely over it, if you ever are.

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My condolences. I know how you feel. My bp passed two months ago from a swelling near his cloaca (link). Sounds like you did all you could. Take your time and mourn. Two months removed and I'm mostly over it. I renovated my bp's enclosure and I'm looking forward to getting a new snake (a Children's python). I'm really excited about it actually, but hearing your story takes me back to when it happened. The pain is fresh again. I hope you feel better soon, but it'll be much longer before you're completely over it, if you ever are.

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Thank You🥺. I have such a headache from crying today. I know you feel my pain. I have 4 other BPs and 8 corn snakes. I couldn't even look at them today without crying. She should be crawling around too. It hurts, but yes, I need to let it all out. I know it will get better, but I will always think what I could've done or what she would've looked like as an adult (she was very different looking) I was going to breed her to see what genes she carried. The whole thing just sucks no matter how I look at it. I appreciate your responding, I am sorry this happened to you too.

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Thank you. I just can't stop crying. I feel so bad for her. I just feel since nothing showed up on x-ray and no sign of infection or anything that it was something I did. She was fine last night. I was so happy she went on her own and everything. She was fine. My poor baby��

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When you feel up to it (or do it in writing- it's easier that way when the pain is still fresh) I think you should talk to your vet about what happened- & see if he has any ideas. I doubt you want to spend the money to do a necropsy, & it might not give you answers anyway- though since you have a number of other snakes, it might help (if possible) to be sure it was nothing contagious. But just see what he thinks might have happened? It also helps our vets to provide the best care when they get feedback & know the outcomes. So very sorry this happened. It's hardest when it's just so unexpected.

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Thank You🥺. I have such a headache from crying today. I know you feel my pain. I have 4 other BPs and 8 corn snakes. I couldn't even look at them today without crying. She should be crawling around too. It hurts, but yes, I need to let it all out. I know it will get better, but I will always think what I could've done or what she would've looked like as an adult (she was very different looking) I was going to breed her to see what genes she carried. The whole thing just sucks no matter how I look at it. I appreciate your responding, I am sorry this happened to you too.

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The forum helped me a lot. It helped to hear support from others that understood what I was going through.

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The forum helped me a lot. It helped to hear support from others that understood what I was going through.

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It's shocking but so many people will sympathize if your dog or cat passes away, but a reptile or a fish? They're like "so what?" You really have to live with these animals to understand how much personality they have. That's part of what makes us a "family".

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It's shocking but so many people will sympathize if your dog or cat passes away, but a reptile or a fish? They're like "so what?" You really have to live with these animals to understand how much personality they have. That's part of what makes us a "family".

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Yea, sometimes I hate hearing stories about how people hate snakes. You don't have to like them. But they are a necessity to the eco system and alot of people really do view them as family. I am glad I at least have some people who do understand. Also, I have some friends who aren't reptile people but they are sympathetic and don't feel the need to speak about how they don't like them.

I also did want to say, I did email my vet as well. I am waiting to hear from him.

My vet just called. He is equally shocked and wanted to send his condolences. He said other than the fact that she perhaps ruptured something internally, (he asked if there was any sign of blood or discoloration. I didn't see any at all and I checked). He said perhaps being that it was a hard urate plug, maybe the stress of it all was just too much for her little heart. He also asked if she was straining as well. I didn't see it at all. She looked completely normal. Like I said before, no sign of infection, no parasites, nothing. This blows guys.

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Hello everyone,
Last night I soaked her and let her swim. She let out a good amount of urate. I held her for awhile then put her in her enclosure. She crawled into her hide like she does every night. The vet even wrote me back and said he isn't concerned about her not eating at this point yet. Everything looked good on X-ray and she was expected to make a full recovering.
Fast forward to an hour ago. I went to check on her and found her passed away. I am devastated. I can't stop blaming myself and I feel horrible. These snakes live for years and I couldn't even give her 6 months. I feel so absolutely horrible. I wasn't expecting this outcome. Especially from all the positive things that were said about her health. I'm sorry I couldn't help her🥺

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Honestly, JJpeep, I was so stunned when I read this post of yours earlier today that I felt it in the pit of MY stomach- really sad disbelief- I didn't expect this outcome at all either. You & your vet both tried to help her- & you both did the best you could- sometimes, for reasons we cannot understand, it's just not enough. :tears:

May your sweet little snake rest in peace, & I hope that in time, you find comfort too. All your other snakes still need you.

Thank you for understanding. It has been a day of grief for sure. I didn't even expect my vet to call so early and be so upset as well. I am surprised I got through the conversation. I know what you mean about the pit of your stomach thing. I have had it all day. I still keep going over and over, was she cold, was she hot, was I not offering food enough? But everyone including the vet said what was done should have been done. So I guess I have just have to feel the emotions I am feeling to get through it. Yes the other snakes do need to be taken care of. You are right. One of our cornsnakes escaped after Thanksgiving. We were beside ourselves. Trying to find him. He actually showed up on our blinds in the window 2 weeks later. We just got that relief and we're so happy. This is a more permanent feeling, I'll never get her back. I was so excited about starting breed (not wanting to be a big breeder). Just something we wanted to do for a long time. This has me rethinking it. I don't know if I have the strength to get through stuff like this. I get too attached. I mean what if she would have made it into adulthood and I bred her and she got eggbound and something happened. I probably would feel worse. Cuz I put her in that position. I have a beautiful Plastel Butter Yellowbelly who eats great and is getting so big. She is over a year old I was going to breed to my male banana cinnamon butter that just turned a year old the day I took this little girl to the vet. In a couple of years of course cuz they are still young and need to grow more. But this whole thing has blue really sad and not sure I want to do it.

Well, give it time. You might not want to breed snakes, just saying. Because it does add risks, not to mention the eggs/offspring. Snakes un-bred tend to stay healthier & live longer- as pets only.

Exactly what I was thinking. I bred parakeets for a long time. Parrots are vicious when in season to breed. I got very attached to my breeder birds. When one would pass I would grieve like this. Also bred leopard geckos with the same feelings. I know the risks, I get what you are saying whole heartedly. I loved the process, I loved how interesting it is to see animals come out of eggs and it really gave me something to look forward too. It enriched a good part of me. That is why I was going to get back into it. My Dad got a couple colonies of leopard geckos started and his corn snakes. I decided on ball pythons because we never bred snakes and I just think they are beautiful. I grew up with snakes. My Dad always had some kind of species of snake. I have to admit, I was always kind of afraid of them. No in a phobia way, I just didn't like to pick them up. Since getting the latest batch of snakes (we haven't had any in awhile). I got over that fear and I really grew to be comfortable with them. This little snake helped me with that. Maybe that's why this hurts so much as well. Anyways, thank you all for listening to me ramble. It is my way of working through this I guess.

For sure, there's both pro's & con's to breeding. I love seeing new little snake faces peeking out of their eggs too, & then watching them thrive. But parting with most of them later- worrying about them being well-cared for- that I can do without. And then knowing the health risks of breeding the adults too. Anyway, you have time to think it over.

You're lucky to have grown up with a father that kept snakes- I wish I had. I can sure see why this little one was so special for you. We learn things from the animals in our lives- not just the other way around. She'll always have a place in your memory, in your heart. I wish she'd had more time.

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For sure, there's both pro's & con's to breeding. I love seeing new little snake faces peeking out of their eggs too, & then watching them thrive. But parting with most of them later- worrying about them being well-cared for- that I can do without. And then knowing the health risks of breeding the adults too. Anyway, you have time to think it over.

You're lucky to have grown up with a father that kept snakes- I wish I had. I can sure see why this little one was so special for you. We learn things from the animals in our lives- not just the other way around. She'll always have a place in your memory, in your heart. I wish she'd had more time.

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I think worrying about if the babies get taken care of would bother me the most. I have thought about that àctually. Plus parting ways with them. I would always be thinking about that. But like you said, pros and cons.
When I was really little, my Dad had a pair of garter snakes, that actually produced babies. All the babies were sooooo tiny and adorable. I wish I would've been old enough to remember that clearer. Those are the first snakes i remember as a kid. Was the first snake that bit me too. Lol. I had to have been about 5. A long long time ago. Anyways, yes I wish she had had more time with me as well. I think it is something that will stay with me forever. Thanks again.

I just wanted to share something strange. The breeder I bought the snake from hasn't posted to Instagram or Facebook since the week a bought her which was the week of October 9th. I scrolled through Instagram this afternoon and he pops up. It was a moment I actually didn't think of her since I found her passed. I told my dad about it, then a few minutes ago he posts to fb. I don't know, I believe in strange things happening. I wonder what that sign was about. I don't know maybe I am just weird, but I found that eerie.

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I just wanted to share something strange. The breeder I bought the snake from hasn't posted to Instagram or Facebook since the week a bought her which was the week of October 9th. I scrolled through Instagram this afternoon and he pops up. It was a moment I actually didn't think of her since I found her passed. I told my dad about it, then a few minutes ago he posts to fb. I don't know, I believe in strange things happening. I wonder what that sign was about. I don't know maybe I am just weird, but I found that eerie.

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I'm not a believer in "signs" but now that you mention the breeder, I wonder if any physical abnormalities showed up in any of your late snake's siblings? I don't suppose he'd want to discuss it if they had- it wouldn't be good for business, but that's the only thing that crosses my mind. You might want to let him know what happened with yours anyway.

I should reach out and see. You never know.

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I should reach out and see. You never know.

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With all the selective breeding for fancy morphs, some defects might also be passed on. We don't know for sure that's what happened with yours, but it's a decent guess, & best prevented if possible.

Personally, I'd make him aware of it. Just to see what he says, & just so he knows regardless.

I can remember years ago hearing about a snake that actually had no opening at the cloaca- some defects are visible, but many are not. I once had a parthenogenetically-produced neonate (rosy boa) that was born with obvious defects that nevertheless managed to live about 6 mos. before she succumbed to some internal abnormality that ended her sweet little life. So it does happen. I called her "Longshot" & I was truly rooting for her. Many things can & do go wrong- that's partly why "baby" snakes cost less than ones that have lived longer- their risk (of issues) goes down (& of course, there is also an investment of time & food with more mature snakes).

Yes absolutely. I contacted him. He said he has seen nothing weird out of the parents. Their babies have no issues he is aware of. He said that all her siblings found homes and he hasn't heard anything from them or hasn't had anyone contact him with concerns. He told me he was going to be at a show coming here in March and he would love for me to come say hello. He said he was very sorry for my loss and all. Well I guess this is the closing of my search for answers. I will continue to blame myself I think. Just because there isn't an explanation. All my wishing I could've gave her more time, I have to just come to the realization this stuff happens. It is just fresh. I have gone through this owning many animals. I just miss my poor little baby.

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Yes absolutely. I contacted him. He said he has seen nothing weird out of the parents. Their babies have no issues he is aware of. He said that all her siblings found homes and he hasn't heard anything from them or hasn't had anyone contact him with concerns. He told me he was going to be at a show coming here in March and he would love for me to come say hello. He said he was very sorry for my loss and all. Well I guess this is the closing of my search for answers. I will continue to blame myself I think. Just because there isn't an explanation. All my wishing I could've gave her more time, I have to just come to the realization this stuff happens. It is just fresh. I have gone through this owning many animals. I just miss my poor little baby.

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Be good to yourself & call it "failure to thrive" or just "bad luck" instead, unless you can point to some specific way you failed her, & note, I'm not asking. But your other snakes being healthy suggest that it wasn't your doing. ;)

If you go to the nearby show in March, it's very possible he'll offer you a deal on another snake- at least, that's what I'd do in his place & under such circumstances. Only you know if you'll feel comfortable with that, & at that time. But it's something to think about ahead of time. I'm glad you let him know & got his answer to ponder meanwhile.

I know what you mean. Thank you again for helping me through the whole thing from the beginning of last week.
I almost felt like when I first reached out that he thought I was blaming him or asking for something. I really tried hard to word it so it didn't sound that way. Even when reading it back. I didn't think it was accusingly worded. That is what I was kind of afraid of. He was very nice about it. But a little defensive. He asked what a urate plug/stone was because he wasn't familiar with the term since non of his snakes suffered from such a thing. I think he was kind of saying, I never dealt with that so it wasn't my fault. I didn't accuse, I also re assured him that I was asking about abnormal things the parents or siblings may have had that he knew of. Not the urate plug specifically. He then started to talk more. That is when he said he was very sorry and he would love for me to come by his booth in March and talk. I gotta feed my other BPs today, and help my Dad clean the corn snakes. So, gotta get back into the snake routine. I just went to a reptile expo/show this passed Sunday before this happened to get more mice and stuff. Bought my Dad a stripe corn snake for Xmas. Not sure how I am going to feel about seeing all the baby BPs at the next few shows I go to. Again, I'm sure in time I'll be okay. It is just fresh and it hurts. I keep seeing her little face in my head the last night I held her thinking I was going to take Xmas pictures of her the next day. Sucks. Again, thanks for listening to me vent. It helps.

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I know what you mean. Thank you again for helping me through the whole thing from the beginning of last week.
I almost felt like when I first reached out that he thought I was blaming him or asking for something. I really tried hard to word it so it didn't sound that way. Even when reading it back. I didn't think it was accusingly worded. That is what I was kind of afraid of. He was very nice about it. But a little defensive. He asked what a urate plug/stone was because he wasn't familiar with the term since non of his snakes suffered from such a thing. I think he was kind of saying, I never dealt with that so it wasn't my fault. I didn't accuse, I also re assured him that I was asking about abnormal things the parents or siblings may have had that he knew of. Not the urate plug specifically. He then started to talk more. That is when he said he was very sorry and he would love for me to come by his booth in March and talk. I gotta feed my other BPs today, and help my Dad clean the corn snakes. So, gotta get back into the snake routine. I just went to a reptile expo/show this passed Sunday before this happened to get more mice and stuff. Bought my Dad a stripe corn snake for Xmas. Not sure how I am going to feel about seeing all the baby BPs at the next few shows I go to. Again, I'm sure in time I'll be okay. It is just fresh and it hurts. I keep seeing her little face in my head the last night I held her thinking I was going to take Xmas pictures of her the next day. Sucks. Again, thanks for listening to me vent. It helps.

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I'm glad you contacted him as you did. I'm not surprised he was somewhat defensive too. Sometimes snakes (or any living thing) can have abnormalities like a narrowed colon or something that contributes to health problems, & they're no one's fault. I'm sorry for your untimely loss & I hope your heart heals- it sucks that it had to be at Christmas time, just for the sad association. But when you're ready & it's not so fresh, "get back on the horse". ;)

Thank You. Whether I am ready or not I have to get back to it. I have other snakes.