First clutch ever. Would love some Help

This is my first clutch ever. I would love some help in some Morph ID. The breeding is a male Pastel Clown to female Jungle-Woma. First breeding for both she gave me 7 fertile eggs. 1 molded in incubator but I have 6 hatchlings. Four have come out of egg two are on their way. Pictures are from my iPhone. Just having trouble figuring out how to ID Jungle-Woma not a very widely used morph but as an adult the mother maintained such a strong color that I think the morph is under rated.
Any help would be great. Also how can I post pictures

Congrats on your first clutch!

Take a look through this, should help you post your pictures
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...-Post-Pictures

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Thanks, Hugsplox, appreciate the help.
Hopefully the photos will post correctly.

I am thinking so far I have 1 Normal, and either 2 - pastels or jungle woma, and 1 Jungle-woma Pastel. All het clown. And then I have two more waiting to come out.


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Thanks, Hugsplox, appreciate the help.
Hopefully the photos will post correctly.

I am thinking so far I have 1 Normal, and either 2 - pastels or jungle woma, and 1 Jungle-woma Pastel. All het clown. And then I have two more waiting to come out.


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Yep they posted fine. I'm not a morph expert so I'll let others comment on them, they look great whatever they are!

Thank you.


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Happy hatch day :) Exciting
I like a mixed clutch.
Haven't had my first ball python clutch yet, so nut much help with the morphs, sorry

But.. Calculators say any of these are possible:-

1/4	25%	Jungle Woma Pastel 100% Het Clown	3	Jungle Woma Pastel 100% Het Clown
1/4	25%	Jungle Woma 100% Het Clown	2	Jungle Woma 100% Het Clown
1/4	25%	Pastel 100% Het Clown	2	Pastel 100% Het Clown
1/4	25%	100% Het Clown	1	100% Het Clown

THe pink one with a faded head stamp I would guess the first option. But don't know, just a guess.
Are you sure about the adults genetics, it looks like it has more in it to my un experienced eye.

Yea I’m pretty sure about the father. He is a standard pastel clown. The mother is the Jungle Woma. I have a pic of her in ovulation. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...04bf4a2e56.jpg


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Not to be a naysayer and I’m not 100%, but are you certain mom is jungle woma? She looks very classic pastel to me and the hatchlings pictured out of the eggs appear to be two pastels, one normal, and one super pastel.


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I agree. It was sold to me as a jungle woma. And what I was told was that the reason her color and cleanliness of her as an adult was because of jungle woma. There isn’t much information on the jungle woma. J.K. has a page about it and the potential of it. But that’s about as much as I can find.


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She looks like a standard pastel to me as well. Looks like you have 1 super pastel, 2 pastels, and 1 normal. I love the blushed out head on the super pastel. Its really clean!

Yes it does seem to be that way at the moment. Based on the hatchlings math it does seem to match the genetics calculator with 4-pastels, 1-normal, and 1-super pastel. No one seems to have any idea of any identifiers for a Jungle Woma morph. Either way I’m very happy w my first clutch.


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I am no expert on the jungle woma morph, but the ones I'm seeing don't look like pastels and have a different head stamp. Is it possible she is a pastel jungle woma? Or do you think the breeder just goofed and she is normal pastel? I would get a real good look at all the hatchlings after a first shed and see if you can solve the puzzle. Mom doesn't scream everyday pastel to me pattern wise, and she is holding her color quite nicely, which sometimes can happen with another morphs help. Lower left hatchling (upper right in the last pic) has a pretty weird pattern with really strong head blushing compared to the other pastel hatchling, and might be a pastel jungle woma.

I do think the mother is a pastel jungle woma. I do have one that is a bit of a different shade then the other three that seem to be pastel. 1 I think is a normal, 1 is super pastel and maybe jungle woma in there also. And the other 4 are all very similar. I will need them all out of first shed and do a side by side. Hopefully everyone will be able to help. Thank you to everyone for your advice already.


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Hello everyone. Thank you for the help so far. I spoke w a few other people who have worked with Jungle Woma and they get pretty confident that the mother is a pastel jungle woma. The jungle woma is mostly a color enhancer and disrupts the pattern a little. It seems to help maintain color and helps prevent “brown out”. I have a few more pictures after their first shed and first meal. Would love some opinions on genes. Thanks again to everyone so far. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...f5bd42b8aa.jpg


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I numbered these based on the numbers in the pics, so reverse of how they were posted

1 pastel
2 pastel jungle woma
3 super pastel
4 normal
5 pastel jungle woma
6 pastel possible jungle woma, can't see a lot of the side pattern or headstamp on this one from that pic but it appears just pastel from what I can see

The person who works with them probably can give you better advice than me, but that's my best guess what's going on.

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I numbered these based on the numbers in the pics, so reverse of how they were posted

1 pastel
2 pastel jungle woma
3 super pastel
4 normal
5 pastel jungle woma
6 pastel possible jungle woma, can't see a lot of the side pattern or headstamp on this one from that pic but it appears just pastel from what I can see

The person who works with them probably can give you better advice than me, but that's my best guess what's going on.

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Yea I was pretty much on the same page as you. I was thinking/hoping that the super pastel is also jungle woma. I’m def gonna reach out to someone more experienced in the JW gene. But overall I’m pretty happy w my odds on my first clutch ever. I forgot to mention they are all 100% het clown too.

My pictures are taken with a very old iPhone (6s) so it’s harder to capture. They def look better in person but shout out to Brian Kusko YouTube bc that made a huge difference in capturing pictures w the phone. I def recommend watching this.

https://youtu.be/jyeWXl1zw2Q


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